Originally posted by Starhawk
As the LT said its not about power once you reach his level, read the comic.Protege didn't have the knowledge LT does. Thats what decided it.
But Protege could tkae Squirrl Girl, does anyoen have a profile on her?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well then she WASN'T more powerful than he was(which is what you originally claimed). He's omniscient and she's not. Therefor, LT wins in a battle between the two. For that matter, that Celestial could take the kid too. Face it, Protege just ain't all that and a bag of chips like you were trying to say.
Its a he actually and yes he is. If he had time to adapt to having LT's power then it would've been a different story.
Originally posted by guy222
I disagree with some of the postings regarding the Living Tribunal running the gauntlet. The Beyonder will remain the most controversial character because one wanted to make him the most powerful being, that didn't happen. I believe it was stated in Secret Wars that when he killed Death and defeated the Celestials, it was all an illusion by the Great Powers to study him. Owen Reece, Shaper of Worlds, Beyonder and Kubik are all cosmic cubes. They are not ommipotent. The Beyonders(maybe the same as the Infinites) were allowed by the Living Tribunal to enter or watch Earth meaning the Tribunal is also more powerful than them. Who is Archangel Micheal?
I do have a comic which shows the Tribunal and the Spectre summoning the 'Brothers' to start the next cycle. I do believe the Spectre is less powerful than the Tribunal becuase he had a hard time with the Anti-Monitor. In regards to the non-canon heart of the infinite(universe), Thanos only defeated an M-body of the Tribunal. An M-body contains a fraction of the Tribunal's power. To me, when The One Above All(Stan Lee or Jack Kirby) created the Living Tribunal, he made him Marvel's most powerful being
The Spectre was also able to manage to Hurt Micheal in a head to head fight. Michael is equal to The Heart of the Universe. The LT is nothing compared to this power. So based on showings, The Spectre is a match for the LT.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Spectre was also able to manage to Hurt Micheal in a head to head fight. Michael is equal to The Heart of the Universe. The LT is nothing compared to this power. So based on showings, The Spectre is a match for the LT.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Spectre was also able to manage to Hurt Micheal in a head to head fight. Michael is equal to The Heart of the Universe. The LT is nothing compared to this power. So based on showings, The Spectre is a match for the LT.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Actualy, some might take being hurt by Spectre as evidence that Michael is NOT equal to THOTU...
Those people might be the same people who tend to look at certain characters thru a stained glass in order for thier favorite characters to look good. The POwer of God=the power of God. Now if the Spectre is the Wrath of God, He for damn sure is hella powerful, no matter what people try to say so that thier favorite companies uber character remains in a good light.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, I thought that DC/Vertigo crossover's weren't cannon in DC, or something like that.
Um no. Vertigo is cannon for vertigo, and DC is cannon for DC. But Some characters can traverse the universes and they are cannon. Sandman is still sandman in vertigo or DC. The Spectre is still the Spectre. Only in the DC, the Source is the power of God. In vertigo, it's michael.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. Vertigo is cannon for vertigo, and DC is cannon for DC. But Some characters can traverse the universes and they are cannon. Sandman is still sandman in vertigo or DC. The Spectre is still the Spectre. Only in the DC, the Source is the power of God. In vertigo, it's michael.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That sounds a little confusing and hazy to use the Spectre/Michael thing as a solid feat. If nothing else it should be considered PIS, for the simple fact that hurting a being who has all the power of the Source shouldn't be possible for the Spectre.
Considering that the Spectre is the Wrath of God, I don't consider it PIS. Unless you know another Wrath of God in comics we can compare. I remember the Wrath of God being a terrible and mighty thing. HE still lost against Micheal, but it is a good showing none the less. I've seen to much Spectre hateration around here lately as people try to make him under the LT. And then They turn around and try to put the LT on the same lvl as Micheal when he's clearly not.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Considering that the Spectre is the Wrath of God, I don't consider it PIS. Unless you know another Wrath of God in comics we can compare. I remember the Wrath of God being a terrible and mighty thing. HE still lost against Micheal, but it is a good showing none the less. I've seen to much Spectre hateration around here lately as people try to make him under the LT. And then They turn around and try to put the LT on the same lvl as Micheal when he's clearly not.
The thing is, the power between the Specter, Michael and the LT is shown here as a paradox. Fully backed up with god's power, the Specter can take Michael, thats paradoxial by itself, but its understood to some level given than god kicks Michael's ass despite the power thing (many other factors make him superior).
If the LT can stalemate a Specter going all out, it would be implied that he at least stalemates Michael. But it seems it cant be that way, simply because Michael should be like THOTH, and wipe the LT without a problem.
It rests in the Specter, never being able to take Michael and to move from that, otherwise there are contradictions.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said that LT was on Micheal's level. He shouldn't be more than likely(not that familiar with the character). However, it's not right for Spectre to hurt someone as powerful as his boss, that doesn't even make sense. That would be like LT actually hurting someone with the HOTU.
The LT is not a warrior. He seems more like a punk to me. In an actual Battle, The Spectre would likely kick the LT's ass just becuz the Spectre knows how to get down and throw down like the wrath of GOD. With that being said, it doesn't surprise me that the Spectre would actually put up a decent fight against the Power of God. He is after all, the Wrath of God. he wouldn't go down easy.
Originally posted by Bentley
The thing is, the power between the Specter, Michael and the LT is shown here as a paradox. Fully backed up with god's power, the Specter can take Michael, thats paradoxial by itself, but its understood to some level given than god kicks Michael's ass despite the power thing (many other factors make him superior).If the LT can stalemate a Specter going all out, it would be implied that he at least stalemates Michael. But it seems it cant be that way, simply because Michael should be like THOTH, and wipe the LT without a problem.
It rests in the Specter, never being able to take Michael and to move from that, otherwise there are contradictions.
THe Spectre can only take Michael if God sends the Spectre after Michael. If that being the case, Michael would be out of the graces of God and not Fully powered anymore. The Spectre wouldn't need a boost in power once Michael falls out of God's Grace. All things considered, if both beings are in Full grace Michael wins out.