The LT runs the Guantlet

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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said that LT was on Micheal's level. He shouldn't be more than likely(not that familiar with the character). However, it's not right for Spectre to hurt someone as powerful as his boss, that doesn't even make sense. That would be like LT actually hurting someone with the HOTU.
Realistically the only way Spectre could harm Michael is if Michael fell from God's graces, which would mean the majority of his power would be stripped away, and Spectre would have to be at his "full power" (i.e. he would have to be one with the source itself).

Because like I have said before:

God's Power (Michael)>>God's Wrath (Spectre)

Bentley Seitei

Well, then, who argues against the LT stalemating Specter?

What is Michael's job? What does he do as the power of god?

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, then, who argues against the LT stalemating Specter?

What is Michael's job? What does he do as the power of god?

The best person to ask is Galan. I'm just now really digging deep into that area of DC mythos. Trying to figure out the hierarchy of DC beings.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, then, who argues against the LT stalemating Specter?

What is Michael's job? What does he do as the power of god?

LT and Spectre have been shown as equals numerous times on pannel.
*see the Amalgam Brothers respect thread under my sig*

And Michael has effortlessly beaten Spectre in the past on pannel

Bentley Seitei

Yeah, that much I know, but I was wondering what was Michael's "work", the LT keeps the universe safe, the Specter is god's weapon against the wicked. What about Michael?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, that much I know, but I was wondering what was Michael's "work", the LT keeps the universe safe, the Specter is god's weapon against the wicked. What about Michael?
Michael dosent have a set task like Spectre does...

Michael is pretty much a permanent resident of the Silver City, and he really dosent get involved in mortal affairs... He enforces God's word.

The only time Michael really has gotten involved was during the war(s) in Heaven, and during the first war he beat the entire host single handedly.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Part of the confusion is that Spectre doesn't per-say have a boss, and does, at once. He's not merely some worker for God, the character is actually a soul bonded to God, but must still follow the rules of The Word/The Presence. Micheal is another part of God.[Technically, everything is.]

Spectre acts as Gods Wrath and judge of all the realities... Micheal pretty much acts as the keeper and enforcer of Gods word, whatever it may be. The times they have conflicted, Micheal was acting in the interest of Gods Word, and Spectre or it's host, were not. And thus, Spectre was defeated.

However, it's not effortless for Micheal to battle Spectre. They usually go the distance. Even when Spectre is acting AGAINST the Word.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8840/spectre19931013bj3.jpg

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

So i'm trying to figure out just when did people get the idea that the LT can beat the Spectre when the Spectre can actually fight, and throw down with likes of Michael, the very embodiment of God's power? Are there any cannonical Marvel Entities that equal Michael and the Source?

Bentley Seitei

TOAA is the top notch in marvel, followed by the LT.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So i'm trying to figure out just when did people get the idea that the LT can beat the Spectre when the Spectre can actually fight, and throw down with likes of Michael, the very embodiment of God's power? Are there any cannonical Marvel Entities that equal Michael and the Source?
LT could fight Michael as well, but would more then likely fall (just as Spectre did).

If Michael is in God's graces he should for all intents and purposes be equal to THOTU.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Bentley
TOAA is the top notch in marvel, followed by the LT.
Yes

Juntai Divine Vengeance

LT is hard to judge, he is clearly in the upper hierarchy in Marvel, but has little in terms of feats or combat situations. Spectre has soloed or appeared in hundreds of issues, and his very character base leads him into situations to perform amazing things or fight or destroy.

They however hold pretty much the same position.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Bentley
TOAA is the top notch in marvel, followed by the LT.

Basically, there is no Marvel Counter Part for Michael or the Source unless you count the THOTU

I watch Pokemon Junior Member
Originally posted by Juntai
However, it's not effortless for Micheal to battle Spectre. They usually go the distance. Even when Spectre is acting AGAINST the Word.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8840/spectre19931013bj3.jpg

It seemed like Michael beat him effortlessly. 😕

Originally posted by Skeets
Quick fight with Micheal.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7788/spectre19931012if7.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8840/spectre19931013bj3.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5512/spectre19931016al6.jpg

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
It seemed like Michael beat him effortlessly. 😕

That is why Michael is holding his neck in pain?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Basically, there is no Marvel Counter Part for Michael or the Source unless you count the THOTU
Correct.

No one in Marvel has the power of God/TOAA (except THOTU of course).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is why Michael is holding his neck in pain?
Spectre was a formidable foe for Michael, but I would also say that Spectre was easily beaten

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
Correct.

No one in Marvel has the power of God/TOAA (except THOTU of course). Spectre was a formidable foe for Michael, but I would also say that Spectre was easily beaten

HMM, It seems that many people's conception that DC's Cosmics are lacking and underpowered may be due to lack of information. Looking at the evidence, It would suggest, that DC actually has MORE top tier Cosmics.

I watch Pokemon Junior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is why Michael is holding his neck in pain?
Michael is still standing, while Spectre is down, all after just one attack. Spectre managed to hurt Michael a little, doesn't mean he put up a good fight.

“I dare not destroy you outright”

Sounds like Michael was holding back as well.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
It seemed like Michael beat him effortlessly. 😕
Not quite, when he's speaking of how great a foe he is, and he's hunched over and dropped his weapons. And in it's clear that Micheal was on the defensive in the combat.

That is also not their only fight in history. Micheal and Spectre go way back.

The odd thing about the story is that Spectre couldn't enter heaven, and battled Micheal to get in, and lost, then went to Heaven and went in anyways an issue or two later.

The Word needed Spectre elsewhere, and thus Micheal sent him on his way.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HMM, It seems that many people's conception that DC's Cosmics are lacking and underpowered may be due to lack of information. Looking at the evidence, It would suggest, that DC actually has MORE top tier Cosmics.
I wouldn't say that DC has more cosmics per say, because Marvel puts much more emphasis on their cosmics.

But as far as the higher level cosmics go, Michael is really the only "cosmic" in DC that is more powerful then the Marvel cosmics. (unless THOTU counts)