1. to pursue some special line of study, work, etc.; have a specialty: The doctor specializes in gastroenterology.
I think that definition is relevant. Once again, I repeat 'You can specialize in one thing while being very good at many others.'
And The Force does not allow you to break dictionary defs. Sorry, not how that works. ermm
Originally posted by Sexyback
The force, much?Again, post the [b]single
definition that applies to whatever you are saying, and provide an explanation. By definition, one can specialise in multiple fields, however, in practise, it is usually just one. [/B]
–verb (used without object) 1. to pursue some special line of study, work, etc.; have a specialty: The doctor specializes in gastroenterology.
The very purpose of specializing is to concentrate on what you specialize in above all else. If you were just as good at everything, then nothing is special, so you can't specialize.
Originally posted by Captain REX
No, they are not direct contradictions. To make it a direct contradiction, the novels would have to change the entire outcome of the battle. That's what would be a direct contradiction.
Oh boy, I already went over this with Advent.
There are many actions inside the fightscenes that contradicts the movies, correct, and are therefor rendered invalid. The thing is, rendering any aspect of the fightscene invalid actually renders the entire fightscene invalid. Here:
Every action that takes place in a swordfight (every movement, every strike, every parry etc.) leads into another action. Everything that happens is dependant on what happens just before it. So when you break a chain, in other words when any aspect (can be minor as hell) of an entire fight is changed, it results in a chain reaction where everything after it is altered, resulting in a change in the eventual result.
^That is why any minor contradiction in a fightscene renders the entire fightscene invalid.
And no, you cannot specialize in more than one thing. That is said and done, there is no possible way you can bypass that.Your reasoning is that Jedi can break a dictionary definition. l0lz.
Like I said, you can be very good at a variety of things and specialize in one thing at the same time. You might want to change your reasoning.
Wrong!! If you believe yourself to be so correct, prove it! Provide a definition, and an explanation.
Well, the contradictions thing at least makes sense. Well done, I concede that point.
However, I'm going to stick with the connotation of specialize that we've been using. As with Dak's explanation, it's not specializing if you 'specialize' in more than one thing. That's just being good at everything, which nobody is. Not even Jedi.
Originally posted by Sexyback
[b]–verb (used without object) 1. to pursue some special line of study, work, etc.; have a specialty: The doctor specializes in gastroenterology.^How does this prove that you can only specialise in 1 field? [/B]
"Some special line" infers only a single object, thus, only one specialty, as does "a" specialty.
Dude, Revan was a genius and a prodigy among prodigies. Obviously they did not have as much knowledge . Again, do not downplay them by comparing them to somebody way above their caliber. That is like saying Dooku sucks because he cannot defeat DN Luke. Revan was intellectually one of the greatest Sith Lords in history. He as able to devour the knowledge from Malachor at a short span, he was also able to plunder and understand perfectly many of the secrets from places such as Korriban , the archives at Dantooine, and Coruscant.
Obviously they did not have as much knowledge
That was the point.
In CW. The second time, in Obsession, Ventress was strong enough to withstand against Anakin and Obi Wan. She is by no means weak, since she could take them both on.
Um what are you talking about? She got owned by Anakin. Alone, twice. In Dark Rendezvous she ran away instead of fighting Obi Wan and ANakin together. I'm just pointing out HOW weak Obi Wan's defenses were, Dooku had Ventress fearing for her life with a pin cushion of force energy, with his finger. And yet he was overwhelmed by her, and he was able to take a force push from Dooku.
Proof? We know Mace believed that Obi Wan would fare better than anyone else. This could be for the reason that he was able to channel the force in such a way so as to give him full power with Soresu. Grievous was programmed with knowledge in every form and incredible reflexes. In CW cartoons Grievous was able to contend with 5 masters at once and devastate them. Before you say that CW is non canon, he wouldn’t be able to do that in actual SW, considering that they were all augmented so as to show some of Grievous’ power.
Okay, so because they were all hyped up it makes it true? Bull shit. Did that event even happen in the canon timeline?
The fundamental flaw is that you are comparing their attacks as per your heart beat. Why would it be compared to yours? Why not make it Donavan Bailey’s? Or mine? Or Lucas’? Or maybe Jesus? Whatmore, you were using your resting heartrate, if you think those numbers are small.Consider: They were both engulfed in the battle of their life. Their active heart rate is no doubt going to be considerably high, they are exhausted. A rather low heart rate maybe 240 heart beats per minute, given that they are both Sith Lords, excellent duelists, and incredibly fit hence able to reach high maximum heart rates. For all intents and purposes it most probably could have been higher, as Bane was exhausted after the fight (he collapsed).
Let me do some calculations. If their heart rate is roughly 240 beats/ minute at the time of combat, then the measure of the number of heart beats per second is roughly 4 beats/second.
*Cocks back* *gets ready* *throws the wrench*
Your fundamental flaw is your basing your "calculations" of if the book was going by THEIR heartbeats. The statement is "In the space of two heartbeats" not "In the case of their two heartbeats" and even for your interpretation to be right with the standing statement, it would have to mean that there heart beats are on the EXACT same pace to recode two beats. And considering they are both of two different species, of different biological make up, I'd say that is pretty impossible.
So we have a general statement that says "In the space of two heartbeats" so I took it the only way I could, with two of my own heart beats.
A. It was the START of the duel. (that means your interpretation of exhaustion is wrong)
B. They both weren't bouncing off the walls waiting for this duel, Bane probably was but Kas'I'm speaks with sighs and calmness toward Bane in the dialog before the duel.
C. Again, I'll stress it was the START of the duel, there was no fatigue so the heart wasn't beating to compensate for the oxygen loss.
In this case they are moving pretty fast but Anakin and Obi Wan move faster.
Insomuch as Anakin saw Sidious as a “blur of speed” and could not even see his lightsaber blows, proves that he could barely see Sidious. If the author did not want to signify that Anakin could not see him, I am sure he could have used better words. There are many such words to describe the feeling you are referring to. He could of said that “Anakin was bewildered by the sinister figure that wielded the lightsaber with such proficiency”
My interpretation is as valid has yours, he was in bewilderment as to as he saw the old fart whose done nothing suddenly keep up with Mace Windu. You not liking the dialog doesn't change this fact.
He was in a younger stronger body at the time. Not to mention, he seems to have grown considerably stronger in the force, being able to create a technique capable of destroying a fleet. As explained by Kas’I'm, as your ability in the force grows, the ability of your dueling skill should consequently increase as well. Factor in that he was younger and physically stronger, we can deduce from both of these facts he should be moving faster as well.
What you people don't seem to get is Palpatines actual connection to the force didn't get stronger, his actual techniques did as he gathered new ones, for dueling skill to increase by your logic his connection would have to. And if Sithises is canon (I think Lightsnake said it was) the Palpatine could already, perform lighting on such a scale and influence Galactic events at the same time. And really does the physical prowess of the body matter to someone on the level of Sidious? No. Thats what the force is for.
Two things which seems to illustrate some faulty logic on your part. You ignore that the statement could be referring to DE Sidious. Also, the statement calls him a genius, and later details his intellectual accomplishments. So “powerful” is not defined to be “substansive,” neither is it defined as by TPM. It could, more logically, put Sidious as most powerful in DE, if it was referring to power in the substansive sense at all.
You putting for subjective speculation, is pretty bullshit, "well it could be talking about such and such" and considering that mostly anyone who is in the know don't consider "that" Palpatine to be a Sith Lord, as Lumiya said, and that would help coincide with the fact that Dark Empire contradicts the movies. It was a clone. And then it describes his Dark Side mastery and overall uberness in it what is your point. And again if Sithises is canon then Sidious ALREADY trumps Bane.
1.) Again there was no mention made on the temple’s structural integrity. The feat may have been even more impressive if the structure was new, but that it was functional and quite fvcking stable, Bane’s feat is still incredible
You still don't get it, a building "that" old is BOUND to be you know not the most sturdy the thing around. ANd considering you don't know how thick the walls were, your "exploding chunks" quotes is really irrelevant, and the book even makes mention that the temple was IMPLODING on its self, meaning that Bane's attack didn't blow it up but simply shock the foundations as the book said and made it collapse on itself. Big Whoop.
The fact that it was an implication from KJA makes it more valid than any other hypothesis proposed by either me or you. Therefore, the point still stands, and is the most logical choice.
No it doesn't.
"Now that he understood the depths of Sith powers, he thought he might even have control over worlds and moons, able to play with orbits and gravity like a child might play with colored balls...Perhaps Bane could nudge the beast moon close enough so that he could travel to the nearby planet that filled the sky."
The fact that this statement is made following the fact that its coming from INSIDE OF BANES HEAD. The narrator takes the position of "well Bane thinks it "perhaps" he could do it." Its not even an implication, its speculation. Hence why this shit isn't admissible in debate.
If we ignore inferences, then we basically ignore every single possible law in physics, since they all result FROM inference. They are all theories that are formulated from proposed hypothesis. By these theories we were able to make cars run, heating systems, electrical connections that run things in our day to day lives etc., Are these theories false?
The real world =/= moving planets. This shit isn't a theory or a hypothesis its PURE speculation on the narrators part and on Banes.
Oh come on man, I kid you not. The narrative says that he see’s Palpatine as a blur, and couldn’t even make out his swipes. How the hell is he going to fight against someone like Bane, who moves at speeds comparable to DE Sidious?
Oh yeah Bane was moving that fast 🙄
Agrhh my post got broken up.
If he is able to “channel the force into his Djem So,” so to speak, so as to trump a lightsaber master of Kas’im’s caliber, then he is, for all intents and purposes mastered (or close to) Djem So.
Man, my memory might not be working with me here, but wasn’t the battle helluva close? Like Maul nearly destroyed Vader, so Vader had to punch through himself with his saber?
They were even the entire duel then Vader broke the Double bladed saber in half and Maul switched to Jar Kari and Vader still kept up for a while but Maul got a back hand in and Vader fell, as Maul went for the killing blow Vader did his seppuku impression.
Stupid attack? Calling Bane stupid makes no sense… The move highlights his tactical genius. He knew that he was in a temple, and brought it down on Kas’im. The reason Kas survived a blast of such great magnitude was because of his uber skillz
Oh please, your telling me Bane "planned" that? Bull shit that was pure desperation in its finest. A last ditch attempt to kill Kas'im that failed but he got lucky the temple fell.
No, as I said before EVEN if Obi Wan was hesitating, which I doubt from the visual of the movie, its the sheer fact that there is a BIG difference between Anakins states of mind. Your trying to alike Anakins berserker rage to his pinnacle of power. No. Its been reiterated so many times the difference between controlling your anger and letting your anger control you. Anakin on Mustafar was overwhelmed with emotion letting his hate and rage control him, that is NOT his strongest.
Could you give proof that his hate and rage are “controlling” him? As in a passage from ROTS novelization. I have read that passage, but I don’t seem to see where it says that...
I could dissect that and even prove that false BY going from the movies but I hint the sarcasm.
All Bane would have to do is bring in Padme, and Vader would be lying on the floor crying 😛
"His firewalls have opened so that the terror and rage are out there, in the fight instead of in his head and Anakins mind is clear as a crystal bell
In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.
Decide.
So he does.
He decides to win." ROTS novel pg 80
And there you have it THAT was Anakins best, when he is projecting his rage and fear into the battle and his mind is free of all restrictions and self doubt, unlike in his Obi Wan duel when he had the rage and fear, doubled with the fact that its Obi Wan he's fighting and he's got Padme and her "betrayal" in his mind as well.
Thanks. But you partially misunderstood, or perhaps I was not clear enough. Could you show me a passage in the book where it says Anakin was not fighting at his best in his duel against Obi Wan? That there was too much “terror and fear” in his head?
doubled with the fact that its Obi Wan he's fighting .
Anakin didn’t care. He hated Obi Wan tremendously at that point. Much like in his fight against Dooku, he hated Dooku tremendously.
He yells, “I’m so sick of your lectures.” and “you hesitate- the flaw of compassion.” Clearly Anakin wanted to kill Obi Wan, while Obi Wan is suffering greatly from it. He shows no hesitation, just a cold blooded desire to kill.
I don't have a scanner.
Could you type it out then 😛
Listen to yourself "prove that stuff happened that wasn't narrated simply cause I want to believe it."
Not at all dude. I am saying, how much is half a page in actual battle time? You seem to make it out as being incredibly fast. Maybe the author did not want to elaborate on all the nuances. It is common writing practice to do such, in order to shift focus away from certain parts.
"Each time he tried to change tactics or switch forms, Bane anticipated, reacted and seized the advantage."
There it is EVERY TIME he tried to do something Bane was all over him, he COULDN'T switch styles to give Bane a show case of each that your trying to prove.
Come on man! It says every time he switches forms, Bane anticipated it and was able to seize the advantage despite the fact that he was switching forms. He tried, but it just...didn’t...change... a damn thing. Bane was too good.
In other words, he knew too much about his opponents attacks for the “seven forms of lightsaber duelling” mastery to do a damn thing. He knew how to counter the seven forms, even against someone who mastered using each of them.
"The Blademaster became desperate. Leaping, spinning, ducking, rolling: he was wild and reckless in his retreat."
And there you have it he was displaying no form in his retreat other then form: I gotta get the f*ck otta here.
He was retreating, but not without noticing his mastery of the seven forms was a joke considering Bane’s sheer force prowess and corresponding sabre mastery. Bane was too good, despite Kas’im’s mastery of the seven forms. Meaning Bane knew enough about them counter them even after they started.
Oh yes his future hopes for war that mostly ALL of them received no actual training other then basic swordplay from Kas'im. They blew, I wouldn't be surprised if Liea has MORE training then them.
Many of them were capable of producing force lightning, which we still do not know whether Ani or Maul know how to do. That is “fairly” good training when you are being relative and these guys are just sith padawans.
At that point in the novel Bane was nothing more then a rebellious youth, "You can't teach me!!" "Im running away to the Valley of the Dark Lords THEY'LL teach me!!!" hardly a visionary.
Oh come on AC, you know as well as I do that Bane was the prophesized Sith’ari. He was definitely a visionary, sort of like the “dark” King David. 😛 He realized that the strategies and view of the dark side the current sith order was taking was not the right one. He rebelled against Qordis for that reason, ushering a new age of Sith Lords that would take over the Republic. Without Bane, there would be no Vader, and no Sidious.
Obviously they did not have as much knowledge
That was the point.
*Sigh* but you missed mine. I said that you cannot compare *them* to Revan. It’s like comparing Dooku with DN Luke. Just because he is not as good, it does not mean he is bad. The order was good; they fought against warlike Jedi such as Hoth and his genius tactics, yet they were keeping him at bay. Kopecz was able to take down three Jedi, one of whom was a master, simultaneously without even sweating. Kaan was capable of iniating the thought bomb, perhaps one of the most devastating techniques to attack living beings.
I'm just pointing out HOW weak Obi Wan's defenses were, Dooku had Ventress fearing for her life with a pin cushion of force energy, with his finger
Again, I recall vaguely in Obsession that Ventress could take both Anakin and Obi Wan at once. That proves that Ventress is rather strong, and this is pre ROTS Obi Wan, still not quite as strong as ROTS, where his Soresu mastery was remarked by Dooku .
Okay, so because they were all hyped up it makes it true? Bull shit. Did that event even happen in the canon timeline?
Chee remarked some of the moves that they pulled off in CW were exaggerated, but that they are accepted into canon. So Grievous was still able to defeat 5 Jedi masters, although some of his uber leet godliness was false.
*Cocks back* *gets ready* *throws the wrench*
Ouch! Stop that!
Your fundamental flaw is your basing your "calculations" of if the book was going by THEIR heartbeats. The statement is "In the space of two heartbeats" not "In the case of their two heartbeats"
But that would make absolutely no sense. Heart beats vary from person to person.
Hell there is such a thing as active heart rate and resting heart rate. As you can see, if it were not referring to Bane or Kas’im, that statement means jack shit. “In the space of two heartbeats” is too varied to even bother considering.
And considering they are both of two different species, of different biological make up, I'd say that is pretty impossible.
Well it only takes a basic understanding of biology to realize that lungs transport oxygen from the atmosphere into the bloodstream. From their, the heart pumps the blood throughout the system, supplying muscles with the required oxygen to move, and also taking in the carbon dioxide such that it can be breathed out from the lungs back into the atmosphere.
We have seen that Twi’lek’s have blood so then oxygen is pumped into every muscle within the twi’lek body. Oxygen can only be transferred from the atmosphere into a lung-like structure. From this we see that Twi’leks have roughly the same biological makeup as humans. The only difference is that they have no body hair (wussies) and a lekku (lucky bastards.)
We can also see that Twi’leks are roughly equivalent in fitness to humans (perhaps inferior, since the greatest warriors always seem to be human, ie., Essani, Mandalorians, all the great Jedi/Sith although [I might be generalizing.])
With that we can see Kas’im’s active heart rate when he was using those moves would be roughly equivalent to Bane's; considering they were moving at such high velocities, it would rise quickly.
By the level of exhaustion shown by Bane, we can make a lower estimate of his hr being 240 hb/minute. Such a high heart rate is attributed to how incredibly fit Bane is, being a Sith Lord and having the force on his side (maybe higher, this is just a lower estimate) This means “6 lightsaber passes in the space of two heart beats” is calculated to be “12 lightsaber blows per second.”
I calculated Anakin and Kenobi’s which is roughly 1.69. Again, Bane and Kas are roughly 8 times faster.
it would have to mean that there heart beats are on the EXACT same pace to recode two beats.
I was merely offering a reference point. For, Kas’im, he may be moving a bit slower, but enough to keep up with Bane.
So we have a general statement that says "In the space of two heartbeats" so I took it the only way I could, with two of my own heart beats.
That is the problem man. You can’t. Heart beats vary per person, it is simply incorrect to base it off of yours. Why not me? Why not that fat guy running outside probably overexhausting himself?
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A. It was the START of the duel. (that means your interpretation of exhaustion is wrong)
Seeing as how they are both moving at a “speed faster than the eyes could see,” their heart rates have probably increased quite dramatically in the beginning.
In this case they are moving pretty fast but Anakin and Obi Wan move faster. [/qutoe]No, I calculated lightsaber movement rate off of an apropriate heart rate for two people moving “faster than the eyes can see,” one of which whom later collapsed out of exhaustion. It was roughly 12 lightsaber blows per second.
I timed Anakin and Obi Wan with a friggen stop watch. They were fighting at a rate of “1.69 lightsaber blows per second.”
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My interpretation is as valid has yours, he was in bewilderment as to as he saw the old fart whose done nothing suddenly keep up with Mace Windu.
Your interpretation is the less logical one. The author could have explained it differently if he wanted to conform to your views. Anakin says that Sidious was a “blur,” which pretty clearly indicates he could not recognize him.
You not liking the dialog doesn't change this fact.
Me not liking...what?!? I love that dialogue, wtf are you talking about man? 😛. I just see it for what it is. Anakin cannot make it out, it was too fast, hence he refers to it as a blur.
What you people don't seem to get is Palpatines actual connection to the force didn't get stronger, his actual techniques did as he gathered new ones, for dueling skill to increase by your logic his connection would have to.
That he was able to use such skills only by DE seems to indicate that his force connection was also more, lets say, “refined.”
And if Sithises is canon (I think Lightsnake said it was) the Palpatine could already, perform lighting on such a scale and influence Galactic events at the same time.
I completely disagree with this. Where was it stated? Show me? Was it really canon?
For one, it would save a lot of complications if he knew the technique by ROTJ. He could have destroyed several rebel capital ships.
And really does the physical prowess of the body matter to someone on the level of Sidious? No. Thats what the force is for.
Yes, but if Sidious is both physically fit and possesses a younger body, he is substantially stronger. Look at Yoda, during the last few years of his life, he became decrepit. His sense were foggier. Same with Ben, he became weaker.
I would say physical prowess can be modelled mathematically as being
10^x as opposed to 2^x. The exponent varies per person‘s force connection, but the base varies as per physical fitness.
You putting for subjective speculation, is pretty bullshit, "well it could be talking about such and such"
What?! YOU are being subjective man. You are saying it is a reference to TPM, which is clearly illogical. What has TPM or ROTJ Sidious demonstrated that trumps “nudging a moon” or collapsing a gargantuan structure with raw force energy?
and considering that mostly anyone who is in the know don't consider "that" Palpatine to be a Sith Lord, as Lumiya said,
Lumiya is an idiot. If she said that to DE Sidious, he would show her who the real sith lord is.
and that would help coincide with the fact that Dark Empire contradicts the movies.
Then Sidious’ uber LEETness ends here.
It was a clone. And then it describes his Dark Side mastery and overall uberness in it what is your point. And again if Sithises is canon then Sidious ALREADY trumps Bane.
First of all show me the passage from Sithises, as it makes the SW continuity painfully idiotic. Why the fvck would he not eliminate the entire rebel fleet right then and there with his uber-leet force storm and continue to conquer the galaxy?
You still don't get it, a building "that" old is BOUND to be you know not the most sturdy the thing around. ANd considering you don't know how thick the walls were, your "exploding chunks" quotes is really irrelevant, and the book even makes mention that the temple was IMPLODING on its self, meaning that Bane's attack didn't blow it up but simply shock the foundations as the book said and made it collapse on itself. Big Whoop.
Imploding? Please show me where it says that. It was safe enough that he spent basically a days under it . I would not learn under a structure that I questioned the structural integrity of. That the rocks exploded and the foundations crumbled with one blast of energy is a testament to his sheer force power. Stop downplaying the technique.
The real world =/= moving planets. This shit isn't a theory or a hypothesis its PURE speculation on the narrators part and on Banes.
Hypothesis: A tentative supposition with regard to an unknown state of affairs, the truth of which is thereupon subject to investigation by any available method, either by logical deduction of consequences which may be checked against what is known
How did Bane get across? He had a beast that he was planning to travel to the moon with. He had no means of travelling through the atmosphere. If he did not nudge the moon, then something is fvcked up. First of all, he would need to reach escape velocity to escape the gravitational pull of the planet he was on, (if he did that, he would essentially be superman, rockets have to travel at speeds far surpassing the speed of sound to attain enough velocity to overcome the pull of Earth). If he pulled that off by some miracle, he would have to find some way to make the beast he was riding survive without breathing.
By nudging the moon closer, he could travel to it via the beast he was on.
Oh yeah Bane was moving that fast
*Sigh.* It states it.
For an instant none of the spectators [force users] was even aware of what had happened; it took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see
Karapshyn even goes through the effort of saying “so much quicker.” That “so much quicker” is identical to the type of speed that Leia experienced when watching DE Sidious fight. It does not say, the eyes could just make it out. It says that he was travelling so much faster.
This is one piece of evidence showing Bane’s incredible speed. Here is another peice of evidence:
I’ve shown it in my calculations as well.
Consider: They were both engulfed in the battle of their life. Their active heart rate is no doubt going to be considerably high, they are exhausted. A rather low heart rate maybe 240 heart beats per minute, given that they are both Sith Lords, excellent duelists, and incredibly fit hence able to reach high maximum heart rates. For all intents and purposes it most probably could have been higher, as Bane was exhausted after the fight (he collapsed).
If their heart rate is roughly 240 beats/ minute at the time of combat, then the measure of the number of heart beats per second is roughly 4 beats/second.
Now, to translate that into the amount of lightsaber blows per second we do further calculations:
(4 beats/1 second )* (6 lightsaber blows/ 2 beats) is equal to 12 fvcking lightsaber blows per ONE second!
12 lightsaber blows is a virtual blur, faster than the eyes can see. We are talking faster than Yoda.
Consider again that I was being a minamilist with these numbers. Twelve could easily be 20 or maybe even more.
I have watched several points of the Anakin versus Obi Wan duel on Mustafar.
One of fastest points of that duel was when Anakin states “you will try.” At that point he leaps.
I timed the battle between :50 and :02, which would of course be twelve seconds.
Afterwards I did a count. In twelve seconds, the duo had a 20 lightsaber *hits* against one another.
Twenty lightsaber hits per twelve seconds means that the duo made 1.69 swipes against one another per second.
The difference is between 1.69 swipes of the lightsaber/round second and 12 swipes of the lightsaber/ second.
Bane was, at the lower estimate of my calculations, moving almost 8 times faster than Anakin.
In either way, ROTS Anakin goes down
No, being able to channel the force into your own knowledge of Djem So =/= Mastery, he was able to best Kas'im because he was stronger, that has NOTHING to do with his mastery of the style, he still doesn't know the most dangerous and top level moves and forms for this style. He is and Djem So adept, stop bullshitting.
There is a lack of logic here man.
How can you beat a master at lightsaber duelling in round one if you are not a master of lightsaber duelling? If he is able to channel the force into Djem So enough so that he can beat counter all seven forms of lightsaber duelling even after Kas “trys them” in round one, he is a master, for all intents and purposes.
If he didn’t master Djem So, he was using form “Bane” to defeat Kas’im.
They were even the entire duel then Vader broke the Double bladed saber in half and Maul switched to Jar Kari and Vader still kept up for a while but Maul got a back hand in and Vader fell, as Maul went for the killing blow Vader did his seppuku impression.
This is an interesting tactic. Very good on Vader, but he would kill himself, and I doubt Bane would fall for it, given his exceptional abilities and reflexes.
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Oh please, your telling me Bane "planned" that? Bull shit that was pure desperation in its finest. A last ditch attempt to kill Kas'im that failed but he got lucky the temple fell.
I beg to differ 😛 Bane is just a tactical genius. He removed both the Jedi and the Sith with his brilliance.
You know you want the big black man 😛
Vader is a wigger: he is a white man trying to be black.
I'm gonna be gone for the next few days for the Holiday so it'll be awhile for a response.
Alright handsome...don’t get lonely without me.
... You have permission to kill me.
Regardless, screw the debate then. Enjoy your vacation dude.