Originally posted by Evangel94
[b]End of discussion.They've fought before. She tried to use her forcefields on Iron Man but Iron Man's repulsor rays shatter Invisible Woman's forcefields.
She dosn't have to conatin him though, just put a forcefield inside his body and expand or compress whatever she does is gonna hurt like hell and or kill.
Originally posted by Evangel94
[b]End of discussion and debate.They've fought before. She tried to use her forcefields on Iron Man but Iron Man's repulsor rays shatter Invisible Woman's forcefield and scatter the atoms into "nothingness".
....lol
Restraining someone is a little different then causing their insides to go boom. Not only that but that was in the Golden age for the love of god. Stupid shit happened EVERY issue. Sue was also the common deus ex machinma for it all , she's MADE to look like a DID.
Originally posted by grey fox
....lolRestraining someone is a little different then causing their insides to go boom. Not only that but that was in the Golden age for the love of god. Stupid shit happened EVERY issue. Sue was also the common deus ex machinma for it all , she's MADE to look like a DID.
Ah yes someone trying to dismiss it....just because it's old doesn't mean it's wrong. That's a logical fallacy.
Canon is canon whether you like it or not. Now you're just getting desperate now and trying to label this as "PIS".
Sue hates killing. Creating a bubble inside someone's body is not her normal form of attack... esp. against other heroes!
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm assuming that's the Invisible Girl, emphasis on the Girl, i.e. before Byrne made her actually useful...Jamie Maddrox beat up the Thing, and Spider-Man beat the entire FF... etc.
is that where Spidey fought a possessed FF? Where he didn't actualy beat them, and would have lost if they hadnt regained controll of themselfs, he just used his reflexes to stay ahead of them all and stun them for a time, untill Thing nearly crushed him.
If it was that wasn't that far fetched if you take out Johnny's nova and sue putting bubbles in peoples bodies.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Ah yes someone trying to dismiss it....just because it's old doesn't mean it's wrong. That's a logical fallacy.Canon is canon whether you like it or not. Now you're just getting desperate now and trying to label this as "PIS".
Sue hates killing. Creating a bubble inside someone's body is not her normal form of attack... esp. against other heroes!
You call me desperate yet your so stupid you can't read the rules.
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Ah yes someone trying to dismiss it....just because it's old doesn't mean it's wrong. That's a logical fallacy.Canon is canon whether you like it or not. Now you're just getting desperate now and trying to label this as "PIS".
Sue hates killing. Creating a bubble inside someone's body is not her normal form of attack... esp. against other heroes!
To add-on
1. Iron Man reacts faster than Sue.
2. Iron Man is stronger than Sue.
3. Iron Man can break Sue's forcefields.
4. Iron Man can take her out either through sonics or brute repulsor-ray force.
Iron Man outclasses her in every category that's been discussed. What's left to debate?
The only thing that's still being discussed is Sue's bubble inside the body attack, which is debatable if that will work through Tony's armor. But regardless of that single form of attack..
People gotta give Iron Man the majority out of 10 here. I'm not saying Sue couldn't pull a win, but Iron Man should take the majority. I don't know what else to show everyone to support this.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
1) Learn what a logical fallacy actually is.
You're saying that because the scan is old, that it no longer applies, and yet you have no evidence to prove it. That is a logical fallacy.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
2) The scan is outdated. Sue's forcefields aren't composed of atoms, they are formed from hyperspace energy.
Regardless of what their made of, they still SHATTERED before Iron Man's repulsor rays. Canon reference.
You provide no proof to substantiate any claim you make. So unless you can refute my scan with a newer scan of Sue's forcefield stopping Iron Man's weapons, the scan still applies.
Originally posted by Evangel94Well Ironman's repulsor rays wont shatter her forcefields when they are in his brain ✅
You're saying that because the scan is old, that it no longer applies, and yet you have no evidence to prove it. That is a logical fallacy.Regardless of what their made of, they still SHATTERED before Iron Man's repulsor rays. Canon reference.
You provide no proof to substantiate any claim you make. So unless you can refute my scan with a newer scan of Sue's forcefield stopping Iron Man's weapons, the scan still applies.
Originally posted by Evangel94No see, a logical fallacy is what you're doing. Creating a straw man.
You're saying that because the scan is old, that it no longer applies, and yet you have no evidence to prove it. That is a logical fallacy.Regardless of what their made of, they still SHATTERED before Iron Man's repulsor rays. Canon reference.
You provide no proof to substantiate any claim you make. So unless you can refute my scan with a newer scan of Sue's forcefield stopping Iron Man's weapons, the scan still applies.
The scan being old in itself is not what invalidates it. The scan being outdated, as since then IG has become IW, and her powers have been reinterpreted, is what invalidates it.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No see, a logical fallacy is what you're doing. Creating a straw man.The scan being old in itself is not what invalidates it. The scan being outdated, as since then IG has become IW, and her powers have been reinterpreted, is what invalidates it.
Creating a straw man? Wtf? What did you do? Type up "logical fallacy" in google to quickly see what could could get?
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http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
oh god! 😆
I was right. 😂 I actually gave you credit for knowing what logical fallacy was earlier, but no more!
I'll take one from that website too! You're (*deep voice*) "poisoning the well".
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html
This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person (or in this case a scan) by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the scan.
Here's a little puppet show for you just like the link.
Evangel94: "Here's Iron Man breaking IW's forcefield!"
xmarksthespot: "That scan is old! It doesn't apply! She's been reinterpretated! She's a woman now!"
Evangel94: "Have any new evidence or scans from the new interpretation that refutes it?"
xmarksthespot: "No......but It's old!"
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Ok Ok In all seriousness....
Although Invisible "Girl" has become an Invisible "Woman" (que the Barry White song 😂 )
The scan is still canon because Iron Man himself has also grown exponentially in strength as well and it is still possible that he could break IW's shield. There hasn't been anything new from the reinterpretation of IW to refute this explicitly.
Uh no, cupcake. I already knew what a straw man was. But I'm assuming that's what you did to find those links that don't actually go anywhere. How ironic.
The scan is canon, the events that transpire in it are invalid, because of aforementioned reasons.
It's not a metaphorical thing, her character name was actually changed from the Invisible Girl to the Invisible Woman after John Byrne made her into the most powerful member of the FF.
Iron Man isn't breaking the atoms of her forcefield, because there are no atoms to break. Hysterical (N.B. not in the funny sense) antics don't change that.
