Originally posted by quanchi112
If you want I'll link you kurt busiek responding to a question of mine. It makes sense and it adds more weight to we are uber geeks while writers don't take into consideration every old feat and usually are just trying to tell a story.If Superman can't keep up with a guy it makes it more dramatic then if he catches him when he wants to.
When Prime stood there they caught him but when he turned on the speed they couldn't. They caught him later after the willpower walls slowed him down.
i actually saw it already. he actually sees comics the same way i do.
john saying "we" could mean any number of things.
remember how after the wall was broken, it was just the supermen that went after him? they were able to catch him then.
Originally posted by -Pr-Not me. He does say a lot of insightful comments in how he writes his stories and the factors involved.
i actually saw it already. he actually sees comics the same way i do.john saying "we" could mean any number of things.
remember how after the wall was broken, it was just the supermen that went after him? they were able to catch him then.
I think it's rather obvious "we" meant heroes who are allied up to stop him.
The lanterns caught him first after he was slowed down. Key word being after. He then fought the lanterns and then the lot of them we all over his ass. The Supermen then took him through a red sun effectively depowering him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not me. He does say a lot of insightful comments in how he writes his stories and the factors involved.I think it's rather obvious "we" meant heroes who are allied up to stop him.
The lanterns caught him first after he was slowed down. Key word being after. He then fought the lanterns and then the lot of them we all over his ass. The Supermen then took him through a red sun effectively depowering him.
even if that were true, how do we know that he's qualified to judge superman's travel speed?
the lanterns, yes. not superman. nowhere was it stated, except by MAYBE john stewart, that superman couldn't catch him. that's not definitive proof because superman wasn't chasing him at the time either. they grabbed his ankle, then he ran away. they didn't attempt to pursue him. gl rings don't move as fast as superman in terms of reactions.
Originally posted by -Pr-He wrote the comic which means it made it through the editorial process at dc to make it hit print.
even if that were true, how do we know that he's qualified to judge superman's travel speed?the lanterns, yes. not superman. nowhere was it stated, except by MAYBE john stewart, that superman couldn't catch him. that's not definitive proof because superman wasn't chasing him at the time either. they grabbed his ankle, then he ran away. they didn't attempt to pursue him. gl rings don't move as fast as superman in terms of reactions.
Do you honestly think the comment was only referring to gl's? The writers don't have to tell a story through a narrator's perspective to get the point across. Everyone was after Prime while Supes only caught him after others slowed him down. He was also fighting other characters not Superman prior to him grabbing him by the ankle.
The gl's used their rings to get ahead of him and slow him down. Do you think Superman didn't pursue him even though Oa was at stake?
What makes more sense to you a)the comment stands as pertaining to all the heroes or
b)Superman didn't catch him with innocent lives at stake and possibly the universe just because he hadn't gotten around to it yet and was just screwing around.
To clarify something other poster forgot or left out.
Superboy-Prime went off. Target Oa, the GL Planet.
Hal informed the corps.
GLs "awaited" him, he was heading to them anyways.
Hal, Stewart, Kal-L, Superman and some others made a plan how to defeat SBP while following him. Neither Hal nor John was there with the other GLs.
They reached SBP who was fighting the GL corps.
Hal confronted him to save Guy.
Supermen took him for a beating through the red sun.
The two GLs who were on earth were as "slow" as the two Supermen. Facts some people seem to ignore 😉.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeYes, the corps intercepted and slowed him down so the others could follow quickly behind him. The point is no one was fast enough to catch him after he took off.
To clarify something other poster forgot or left out.Superboy-Prime went off. Target Oa, the GL Planet.
Hal informed the corps.
GLs "awaited" him, he was heading to them anyways.
Hal, Stewart, Kal-L, Superman and some others made a plan how to defeat SBP while following him. Neither Hal nor John was there with the other GLs.
They reached SBP who was fighting the GL corps.
Hal confronted him to save Guy.
Supermen took him for a beating through the red sun.
The two GLs who were on earth were as "slow" as the two Supermen. Facts some people seem to ignore 😉.
No one went ahead of SBP to slow him down, they headed toward him like he did toward oa.
If Two being have equal speed and one is allowed to start some seconds before the other follows, he will always reach the destination first.
There is no logic trying to catch him. Make a plan, slow him down with help and then beat him is the better option.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeHe flew at light speed though. The problem a lot of people have is Superman not being able to keep up at this speed.
No one went ahead of SBP to slow him down, they headed toward him like he did toward oa.
If Two being have equal speed and one is allowed to start some seconds before the other follows, he will always reach the destination first.
There is no logic trying to catch him. Make a plan, slow him down with help and then beat him is the better option.
I doubt that that was his travel speed though. It's more likely that the folks at DC think that the closer you move to the speed of light the more mass you gain till it's infinite, so SBP would have enough mass to destroy Oa and start a new Bing Bang, seemed like he talked about that plan. With a speed beyond the speed of light he might do nothing more then fly through it.
But who am i to guess what the folks at DC think.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI think it's just inconsistency. I do agree his top speed should be the same with Superman's and the reason he couldn't keep up was because Prime took off first.
I doubt that that was his travel speed though. It's more likely that the folks at DC think that the closer you move to the speed of light the more mass you gain till it's infinite, so SBP would have enough mass to destroy Oa and start a new Bing Bang, seemed like he talked about that plan. With a speed beyond the speed of light he might do nothing more then fly through it.But who am i to guess what the folks at DC think.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I've never seen Superman vibrate through energy attacks.Anyways, I am resuming that the city full of villains are the group of high metas+Bizarro and Mongul that Manchester Black telepathically coerced? They were all old opponents that Superman knew exactly how to beat. They would also have been killed by a single blast from Thanos. Defeating someone on that level doesn't suddenly mean that he's capable of surviving an onslaught from Thanos.
The feat with the city of villains is relevant in that Superman used his speed to own multiple opponents. The power level of his opponents isn't relevant in that case.
We've also seen him show enough speed in relatively close quarters to rebuild a city in moments.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It also seems like dodging and vibrating through things, taxes Superman. It has to be tiring to move so fast that you become intangible. Just strikes me as a sort of tactic that would only work for a while.
I don't think it's any more taxing than the slugfests he participates in. It would cost him far less energy to dodge Thanos attacks than to trade blows with the Titan.
Originally posted by AllanklesThanos is more durable and far more powerful than Superman. If Supes trades blows he goes down pretty quickly.
The feat with the city of villains is relevant in that Superman used his speed to own multiple opponents. The power level of his opponents isn't relevant in that case.We've also seen him show enough speed in relatively close quarters to rebuild a city in moments.
I don't think it's any more taxing than the slugfests he participates in. It would cost him far less energy to dodge Thanos attacks than to trade blows with the Titan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He flew at light speed though. The problem a lot of people have is Superman not being able to keep up at this speed.
if he flew at light speed it would of taken an extremely long time to get there tho. His words were fly through it at light speed, not fly there at light speed. But you are right about inconsistency, and i do believe prime is faster than superman which i think is your arguement?
Originally posted by r0nm0n88Prime has never been shown to exceed the speed of light and his exact speed was already noted at the speed of light. I think they are roughly the same speed, but I could see Prime as slightly faster since he is also stronger. It makes no sense to have Superman faster than Prime what so ever.
if he flew at light speed it would of taken an extremely long time to get there tho. His words were fly through it at light speed, not fly there at light speed. But you are right about inconsistency, and i do believe prime is faster than superman which i think is your arguement?
Originally posted by Allankles
The feat with the city of villains is relevant in that Superman used his speed to own multiple opponents. The power level of his opponents isn't relevant in that case.We've also seen him show enough speed in relatively close quarters to rebuild a city in moments.
I don't think it's any more taxing than the slugfests he participates in. It would cost him far less energy to dodge Thanos attacks than to trade blows with the Titan.