Thanos vs Superman

Started by darthgoober399 pages

Originally posted by iceman24567
My bad it has been proven he's stronger but not with his normal mindset

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes a couple times actually

So the whole "a Bizarro version should be a weakling since it's the opposite of the original" thing doesn't really hold up, does it? I mean I know Supes is obviously far more effective than Bizarro because Supes is smart and Bizarro isn't, but that doesn't really apply when we're talking about someone who's less intelligent than Bizarro and fights like a super brick to begin with.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So Supes is wrong about it being a blue sun over Bizarro world in the previous issue?

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But he wasn't amped physically in that story. You can't assume he's amped without the plot indicating he was amped. Different writers interpret blue star radiation differently.

EDIT: And even if - for arguments sake - we say Supes was stronger how does that translate to speed? How can you calculate how much faster he'd become?

Supes has always had it in him to perform those kinds of speed feats in every era barring the early Shuster years and probably the Bryne Era.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You don't think that Pa Kent with Supes's powers one shotting "Bizarro Doomsday" seems to suggest an increase to Supes's physical abilities?

Not really. Seeing that Bizzaro himself has been beat by guys weaker than Supes, and struggled with various other characters you'd assume were far below him strengthwise. Bizzaro DD is likely not nearly as durable as regular DD.

And it's not unusual to see one top tier one shot another in comics.

Originally posted by Allankles
But he wasn't amped physically in that story. You can't assume he's amped without the plot indicating he was amped. Different writers interpret blue star radiation differently.

You act as if it wasn't addressed, Supes specifically says in the story that his powers are affected by the light of a blue sun.

Originally posted by Allankles
Not really. Seeing that Bizzaro himself has been beat by guys weaker than Supes, and struggled with various other characters you'd assume were far below him strengthwise. Bizzaro DD is likely not nearly as durable as regular DD.

And it's not unusual to see one top tier one shot another in comics.


Has Bizarro ever by one shotted by any of those people or been specifically portrayed as less durable than Supes?

Originally posted by darthgoober
You act as if it wasn't addressed, Supes specifically says in the story that his powers are affected by the light of a blue sun.

Other writers have it affect him with a direct basic amp (simply awarding him greater power, not messing up with his current powers). In the Bizarro story it supposedely just screwed with his powers, there was never any suggestion that it was increasing his power.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Has Bizarro ever by one shotted by any of those people or been specifically portrayed as less durable than Supes?

One shotted, nothing comes to mind. But as far as durability goes, Wonder Woman can contend with him and hurt him with her punches and kicks in a way she's can't with Superman. Yes skill plays a factor but his lack of intelligence definitely affects he's ability to take a punch, awareness plays a big part in soaking up damage.

Not too long ago he made an apperance in Strange Adventures and he struggled somewhat with some alien police force. Superman would have faired way better in the durability front. I'm not going to mention the beating he took from the alien special ops guy because he was exploiting Bizarro's weakness.

Originally posted by Allankles
Other writers have it affect him with a direct basic amp (simply awarding him greater power, not messing up with his current powers). In the Bizarro story it supposedely just screwed with his powers, there was never any suggestion that it was increasing his power.

Which only means that the effects of blue sun radiation have been expanded upon, not that we ignore new evidence regarding it. At the time the feat took place we may not have known that it amped him, but now we do. So when we look back we have to say "well now we know that he was amped when he did that" just as we'd have to do with a similar change to any other characters powers.

Originally posted by Allankles
One shotted, nothing comes to mind. But as far as durability goes, Wonder Woman can contend with him and hurt him with her punches and kicks in a way she's can't with Superman. Yes skill plays a factor but his lack of intelligence definitely affects he's ability to take a punch, awareness plays a big part in soaking up damage.

Not too long ago he made an apperance in Strange Adventures and he struggled somewhat with some alien police force. Superman would have faired way better in the durability front. I'm not going to mention the beating he took from the alien special ops guy because he was exploiting Bizarro's weakness.


Intelligence may effect Supes's ability to take a punch, but that doesn't really hold true for DD.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Which only means that the effects of blue sun radiation have been expanded upon, not that we ignore new evidence regarding it. At the time the feat took place we may not have known that it amped him, but now we do. So when we look back we have to say "well now we know that he was amped when he did that" just as we'd have to do with a similar change to any other characters powers.

It doesn't work like that. You can't use hindsight on a storyline that is already set in stone, unless someone retcons that particular story Superman physical stats weren't amped, and we're talking about Bizzaro Doomsday, he's not exactly full of durability feats.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Intelligence may effect Supes's ability to take a punch, but that doesn't really hold true for DD.

True, but alternate DD's often don't have the same durability because of lack of experience mostly. DD gets more durable with the more punishment he's exposed to, developing some degree of immunity to a type of attack. Bizzaro DD doesn't have those experiences.

Originally posted by Allankles
It doesn't work like that. You can't use hindsight on a storyline that is already set in stone, unless someone retcons that particular story Superman physical stats weren't amped, and we're talking about Bizzaro Doomsday, he's not exactly full of durability feats.

A recton's not necessary because you can't concretely say that Supes WASN'T amped in the story. The only mention of a change in Supes powers came from Supes himself and all he said was that blue suns affect his powers differently because he didn't KNOW what all effects there were going to be. Later revelation's tell us that he WAS in fact amped at the time because it turns out that an amp is part of the effect on his abilities.

Originally posted by Allankles
True, but alternate DD's often don't have the same durability because of lack of experience mostly. DD gets more durable with the more punishment he's exposed to, developing some degree of immunity to a type of attack. Bizzaro DD doesn't have those experiences.

"Often", not always.

Originally posted by darthgoober
A recton's not necessary because you can't concretely say that Supes WASN'T amped in the story. The only mention of a change in Supes powers came from Supes himself and all he said was that blue suns affect his powers differently because he didn't KNOW what all effects there were going to be. Later revelation's tell us that he WAS in fact amped at the time because it turns out that an amp is part of the effect on his abilities.

But there's nothing concrete their. In that story he never got any kind of amp. When Superman gets an amp the writer makes a clear indication.

Like when Kryptonians were exposed to orange suns they got amped to a lesser degree than with yellow suns etc etc. These things are always clearly indicated with Supes.

In that story the writer never establishes that the blue sun increased his power. So we can speculate, but with respect to facts we can't say he was amped with any authority.

Pa Kent one shotting Bizzaro DD just says that Bizzaro DD isn't as big a threat as the original DD who's had centuries worth of battles to toughen him up.

Originally posted by darthgoober
"Often", not always.

Bizzaro DD is vastly inexperienced compared to regular DD. And experience means everything when it comes to the kryptonian Doomsdays, because they were built to get tougher after every setback.

Originally posted by Allankles
But there's nothing concrete their. In that story he never got any kind of amp. When Superman gets an amp the writer makes a clear indication.

Like when Kryptonians were exposed to orange suns they got amped to a lesser degree than with yellow suns etc etc. These things are always clearly indicated with Supes.

In that story the writer never establishes that the blue sun increased his power. So we can speculate, but with respect to facts we can't say he was amped with any authority.

Pa Kent one shotting Bizzaro DD just says that Bizzaro DD isn't as big a threat as the original DD who's had centuries worth of battles to toughen him up.

Bizzaro DD is vastly inexperienced compared to regular DD. And experience means everything when it comes to the kryptonian Doomsdays, because they were built to get tougher after every setback.


There are concrete instances in later appearances, they introduced the concept on Bizarro WOrld and expanded on it in later issues. You can consider it a retroactive recton if you want, but the simple fact of the matter is that he's never shown the ability to do something like create a city in moments without being exposed to the light of a blue sun, which we now know amps his physical abilities. Thus the feats not valid for "standard" Supes any way you cut it.

Superman

Originally posted by manx422
Superman
Based on?

^based on the combo to ko principle

Thanos stomps.

Originally posted by h1a8
^based on the combo to ko principle

No. Thanos wins by being superman superior in pretty much every way.

I love the combo ko principle 😱

Originally posted by h1a8
^based on the combo to ko principle
Any scans?

i have one:

How could Supes possibly win this?
Thanos prior to hes upgrades couldn't be downed by ODIN. He had gone toe-to-toe with TYRANT. He has defeated MORG with WOL.
Thanos is Supes superior in every way other than speed.

superman 10/10 = T-Vo