Originally posted by h1a8
The problem here is that you thing Superman, Thor, SS, etc. are on the same level physical wise. If that was true then u would have a point. I view Superman as astronomically more physical than those guys. Thus I view Superman as far above Thanos too in the physical sense.
Every strength feat you have for Supes, Thor has one that equal it or one that is better than it so I dont know where you get the idea that Supes>Thor strength wise.
Silver Surfer, I agree, Supes MIGHT be stronger than him but Surfers durability is on another level.
Thanos is above all of them and his showings proves this.
Originally posted by carver9
Lightning goes 93000 mps, Wolverine jumps over it before it even touch him.http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2039/livinglighting.png
Someone shoot lasers at Wolverine, Wolverine lifts his hands and stop them with his claws.
http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/?action=view¤t=axm-017.jpg
I've seen those scans and still said what I said.
Why?
Because that wasn't lightning but the character Living Lightning. Living Lightning can move at sub light speeds which means it is unknown to what speed he can move. Even if he can move at the speed of lightning then the feat is PIS as Logan can't move anywhere near lightning speeds.
Or one must take it as mere aim dodging. The same way Spider-man dodges lasers.
The second scan is not Logan swiping the beams but merely covering up when someone points at him to shoot. This is easy as hell to do. I can do this.
Originally posted by h1a8
The problem here is that you thing Superman, Thor, SS, etc. are on the same level physical wise. If that was true then u would have a point. I view Superman as astronomically more physical than those guys. Thus I view Superman as far above Thanos too in the physical sense.
Drax, strong enough to rip out the core of a star:
1. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxstarbusting.jpg
The gravitational pressures of even getting to its core, let alone moving it and ripping it out, would make it weigh far more than the Earth.
And yet...Thanos physically stalemates his strength on-panel, and presumably overwhelms him off-panel:
1. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosplanetbust.jpg
2. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosplanetbust1.jpg
First page of the Drax Respect Thread. First post, even.
Originally posted by carver9Thor don't have a quantifiable feat that even shows he is at least 1 thousandth the strength of Superman. Thor hasn't moved planets against the will force of beings who have multiple stars of power solo, moved wheels that dwarf the Earth Moon system, have feats that equate to more than 50 Earth weights of force, etc.
Every strength feat you have for Supes, Thor has one that equal it or one that is better than it so I dont know where you get the idea that Supes>Thor strength wise.Silver Surfer, I agree, Supes MIGHT be stronger than him but Surfers durability is on another level.
Thanos is above all of them and his showings proves this.
SS has shown good durability against blasts but not so much against A strength guys.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm going to show you this once.Drax, strong enough to rip out the core of a star:
1. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxstarbusting.jpg
The gravitational pressures of even getting to its core, let alone moving it and ripping it out, would make it weigh far more than the Earth.
And yet...Thanos physically stalemates his strength on-panel, and presumably overwhelms him off-panel:
1. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosplanetbust.jpg
2. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosplanetbust1.jpgFirst page of the Drax Respect Thread. First post, even.
WOW, now thats some impressive sh**. I knew drax was strong but.....
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor don't have a quantifiable feat that even shows he is at least 1 thousandth the strength of Superman. Thor hasn't moved planets against the will force of beings who have multiple stars of power solo, moved wheels that dwarf the Earth Moon system, have feats that equate to more than 50 Earth weights of force, etc.SS has shown good durability against blasts but not so much against A strength guys.
LOL, when has Superman ever moved a planet by himself?
Wheels 😆 wasnt their humans in the background pulling and tugging with him and he was pulling a engine, he wasnt pulling the entire thing.
Superman never moved anything close to the weight of 50 earths, let alone one.
I could easily bring up two feats that would discredit everything that you are saying but I'm not going to do it because raoul would come on here and talk to me about it.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm going to show you this once.Drax, strong enough to rip out the core of a star:
1. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxstarbusting.jpg
The gravitational pressures of even getting to its core, let alone moving it and ripping it out, would make it weigh far more than the Earth.
And yet...Thanos physically stalemates his strength on-panel, and presumably overwhelms him off-panel:
1. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosplanetbust.jpg
2. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosplanetbust1.jpgFirst page of the Drax Respect Thread. First post, even.
That was an energy manipulation feat. Not quite a pure strength feat since its physically impossible to grab gases with just small hands and rip the entire core out. Also it was a small dwarf star (which is still impressive). I give Drax the suspension of disbelief on this. But Superman has flown thru normal sized or large stars. He has feats that total greater than 50 Earth weights of force. Hell he even got a feat where it totals more than the several star weights of force.
Originally posted by h1a8
That was an energy manipulation feat. Not quite a pure strength feat since its physically impossible to grab gases with just small hands and rip the entire core out. Also it was a small dwarf star (which is still impressive). I give Drax the suspension of disbelief on this. But Superman has flown thru normal sized or large stars. He has feats that total greater than 50 Earth weights of force. Hell he even got a feat where it totals more than the several star weights of force.
Show us the feats that you are talking about.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, when has Superman ever moved a planet by himself?Wheels 😆 wasnt their humans in the background pulling and tugging with him and he was pulling a engine, he wasnt pulling the entire thing.
Superman never moved anything close to the weight of 50 earths, let alone one.
I could easily bring up two feats that would discredit everything that you are saying but I'm not going to do it because raoul would come on here and talk to me about it.
The more than 50 Earth weights of force is actually the lower feat where he WW and MM pull the Earth. I have the calculations if you want to see them. Superman pulled the Earth solo against Starbreakers force and won (who has the power of many stars). Actually it is harder to turn the engine than the wheels. Work = Force x Distance. Imagine turning a tight screw with your hands vs. with a long wrench.
Originally posted by h1a8
That was an energy manipulation feat. Not quite a pure strength feat since its physically impossible to grab gases with just small hands and rip the entire core out. Also it was a small dwarf star (which is still impressive). I give Drax the suspension of disbelief on this.
Furthermore, so what that Superman has flown through stars? So has Silver Surfer. And Gladiator. And plenty of others. That doesn't particularly matter at all and has no bearing here. Bottom line is that clearly, Thanos is far beyond your 'hundreds to thousands of tons' you like to put him at. And he has, going by your logic, FTL reflexes. And they start .5 km apart.
Based on this, and other factors, Thanos gets the win.
Originally posted by h1a8
The more than 50 Earth weights of force is actually the lower feat where he WW and MM pull the Earth. I have the calculations if you want to see them. Superman pulled the Earth solo against Starbreakers force and won (who has the power of many stars). Actually it is harder to turn the engine than the wheels. Work = Force x Distance. Imagine turning a tight screw with your hands vs. with a long wrench.
I already seen your caculations and it wasnt 50 earth weights. Superman PULLED (the keyed word is pull since that requires strength, durability, and flight) the earth which the aid of two other people which mean he PULLED 1/3 of earths weight.
So basically, the humans that was aiding Superman in turning the wheel is also>Thor strength wise?
Superman didnt solo Starbreaker, GL was right there with him PULLING.
Thor did this.
Originally posted by carver9
Show us the feats that you are talking about.
Superman is pulling solo since he say's he can feel starbreaker's force increasing. Even if Superman is pulling with half the power, Starbreaker has many stars of power. That means Superman was not only moving the planet at incredible acceleration, but against the sun's gravity and Starbreaker's force (multiple stars of force).
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/...splanet1ns7.jpg
The feat is where Superman helps move a planet.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/200/wwpullstheearth2.jpg
Here I use:
F=ma and the underestimation of most figures. That means that the true feat was done with more power.
Now the Earth has a mass of about 5.9736E24kg. This is 6.58E21 tons against its own gravity. So lifting the Earth against its own gravity is equivalent to accelerating a 6.58E21 ton object in space at 9.8m/s^2. Now accelerating this mass even faster is equivalent to lifting a heavier object than that of the Earth (since F=ma).
But in space 9.8m/s^2 isn't noticeable, even after a few minutes. So let's assume the three accelerated the Earth at a very small 1 mi/s^2. This is equivalent to lifting a 1.08E24 ton object against Earth's gravity*.
Now let's assume that Superman was pulling with 1/3th of the combined force. This means that he was pulling alone with a force of 3.6E23 tons**.This is equivalent to lifting a combined weight of over 50 Earths against Earth's gravity***.
Now adding in the facts that Superman was pulling with more than 1/3 of the combined force of the three, him pulling the Earth with a greater acceleration than my underestimate, and him pulling against the Sun's gravity/centripetal force and this feat is beyond belief.
Here's the math for the starred figures:
1ton of force =907.185kg of force =8896.44N of force and 1mile =1609.34meters
* F= m x a
= 5.9736E24Kg x (1 mi/s^2) x (1609.34m/1mi)
= 9.61355E27N
= 9.61355E27N x (1ton/8896.44N)
= 1.08E24 tons
** 1/3 of 1.08E24 tons = (1/3) x 1.08E24tons
= 3.6E23tons
*** 3.6E23tons x (1Earth/6.58E21tons) = 54.7 Earths
Originally posted by carver9
I already seen your caculations and it wasnt 50 earth weights. Superman PULLED (the keyed word is pull since that requires strength, durability, and flight) the earth which the aid of two other people which mean he PULLED 1/3 of earths weight.So basically, the humans that was aiding Superman in turning the wheel is also>Thor strength wise?
Superman didnt solo Starbreaker, GL was right there with him PULLING.
Thor did this.
pulling requires more strength than anything else. flight can be considered part of his strength. it's not necessarily an independent mechanism.
iirc, GL didn't pull. he just created the harness.
Originally posted by carver9
I already seen your caculations and it wasnt 50 earth weights. Superman PULLED (the keyed word is pull since that requires strength, durability, and flight) the earth which the aid of two other people which mean he PULLED 1/3 of earths weight.So basically, the humans that was aiding Superman in turning the wheel is also>Thor strength wise?
Superman didnt solo Starbreaker, GL was right there with him PULLING.
Thor did this.
GL wasn't pulling. But even if he was and Superman just supplying half the power then this means Superman was exerting forces greater than many stars weights of force.
The first scan is garbage as Superman can destroy planets and moons with a mere blow. Plus Thor's hammer supplies a lot of the striking force since it moves according to Thor's will. Also moving planets takes far more force than destroying them with a blow.
The second scan has nothing to do with strength but magic alone. If those hammers weren't enchanted then that feat would have never happened.
Originally posted by h1a8
GL wasn't pulling. But even if he was and Superman just supplying half the power then this means Superman was exerting forces greater than many stars weights of force.
