^ Walking and talking aren't feats. Unless it's pimp-like-swagger-walking-and-talking. Any feats that Thanos accomplished in that fight cannot be reliably separated from the Infinity Gauntlet. Y'know... the artifact that grants you whatever power-up you want kinda, including amping reflexes which everyone agrees with.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Walking and talking aren't feats. Unless it's pimp-like-swagger-walking-and-talking. Any feats that Thanos accomplished in that fight cannot be reliably separated from the Infinity Gauntlet. Y'know... the artifact that grants you whatever power-up you want kinda, including amping reflexes which everyone agrees with.
Yes but at the same time you are arguing that the IG can do ANYTHING and thus ANYTHING Thanos did could be because of the IG. That has been your whole argument. So we know speech and walking can be effected by the IG as well, thus those could have also been effected. Anyways really neither here nor there because of the following:
Well my friend I agree with this statement in its entierty "Any feats that Thanos accomplished in that fight cannot be reliably separated from the Infinity Gauntlet" I have no argument there and we've been on the same page on this general point. My only argument was.. that certain cases are more clear than others and thus some do lean to one side more clearly than others. Than is undisputable. That being said.. doesn't make it totally reliable either.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI'm not arguing that the IG can do anything. I'm using the proposition that the IG can amp reflexes, which you agreed to. If we were arguing the legitimacy of the proposition that the IG can amp reflexes, you might accuse me of using a no limits fallacy. But you don't, because you plainly agree it can. So there's no question on that. The only question is, can you legitimately ignore that he wore the Infinity Gauntlet the whole time?
Yes but at the same time you are arguing that the IG can do ANYTHING and thus ANYTHING Thanos did could be because of the IG. That has been your whole argument. So we know speech and walking can be effected by the IG as well, thus those could have also been effected. Anyways really neither here nor there because of the following:Well my friend I agree with this statement in its entierty "Any feats that Thanos accomplished in that fight cannot be reliably separated from the Infinity Gauntlet" I have no argument there and we've been on the same page on this general point. My only argument was.. that certain cases are more clear than others and thus some do lean to one side more clearly than others. Than is undisputable. That being said.. doesn't make it totally reliable either.
Yeah, I don't think we were too far off between our assessments. Obviously, there's a slight divergence, but not enough to argue over.
Originally posted by Kid KurdyHow are they questionable? They are reactionary feats.
Except the fact that Thanos has never shown any true speed feats ? The ones the Thanos fanboys are drooling over, are very questionable, to say the least.If a character is supposed to have superhuman reflexes or speed, he must show this on a consistent basis. Not for example when he's practically God and Surfer misses.
Surfer missed because Thanos moved and he did so by his own reflexes because he turned off the ability to see his opponents next move.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Seeing your opponents next movement before it occurs would fall under the same category with the abilities he turned off. It's so very simple but you insist on typing the same flaming response over and over again because like usual you didn't get what was actually occurring on panel.
^ 👆 Not knowing your opponent's next move =/= not seeing your opponent's movement. ENGLISH, motherf*cker, do you speak it? Example: Flash doesn't know his opponent's next move via telepathy, true precognition or other cosmic senses, but he sure as hell can see his opponent's movement. I am not mincing over words, you're trying to attach one meaning to a wholly different phase. English. Learn English.Infinity Gauntlet.
I never said the flash could but I am saying Thanos could see what was going to occur before they actually did so which mean movements/actions/moves. Trying to compare Thanos' abilities to the Flash' speed is another example of why you don't get it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Except it didn't amp his reflexes for this scene which was specifically noted on panel. The writer was very clear yet you didn't get it.
I'm not arguing that the IG can do anything. I'm using the proposition that the IG can amp reflexes, which you agreed to. If we were arguing the legitimacy of the proposition that the IG can amp reflexes, you might accuse me of using a no limits fallacy. But you don't, because you plainly agree it can. So there's no question on that. The only question is, can you legitimately ignore that he wore the Infinity Gauntlet the whole time?Yeah, I don't think we were too far off between our assessments. Obviously, there's a slight divergence, but not enough to argue over.
Originally posted by quanchi112Who said he saw Surfer's movement before Surfer moved? In fact, it's pretty obvious he didn't see Surfer until Surfer came into close enough range. You just completely disassociated your ideas from the comic itself, didn't you?
Seeing your opponents next movement before it occurs would fall under the same category with the abilities he turned off. It's so very simple but you insist on typing the same flaming response over and over again because like usual you didn't get what was actually occurring on panel.I never said the flash could but I am saying Thanos could see what was going to occur before they actually did so which mean movements/actions/moves. Trying to compare Thanos' abilities to the Flash' speed is another example of why you don't get it.
Except it didn't amp his reflexes for this scene which was specifically noted on panel. The writer was very clear yet you didn't get it.
Thanos did not see Surfer before Surfer moved. This isn't even a failure in English. Just... just look at the pictures.
The writer was very clear that Thanos' cosmic senses were dampened and that Thanos would not know his opponents' next move in advance. That does not bar him from amping his reflexes at all. You missed the debate. Go play in traffic and hope the cars don't miss you. And I mean that lovingly, kiddo.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Who said he saw Surfer's movement before Surfer moved? In fact, it's pretty obvious he didn't see Surfer until Surfer came into close enough range. You just completely disassociated your ideas from the comic itself, didn't you?Thanos did not see Surfer before Surfer moved. This isn't even a failure in English.
The writer was very clear that Thanos' cosmic senses were dampened and that Thanos would not know his opponents' next move in advance. That does not bar him from amping his reflexes at all. You missed the debate. Go play in traffic and hope the cars don't miss you. And I mean that lovingly, kiddo.
"Go play in traffic and hope the cars don't miss you. And I mean that lovingly, kiddo."
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0I said with the ig working and without him depowering himself he'd know the Surfer's movements before they occurred basically. I never said he saw the Surfer before he moved because he turned that ability off to give them a chance. I am saying that because he shut it off he reacted when he did at the last possible moment to avoid him taking his glove.
Who said he saw Surfer's movement before Surfer moved? In fact, it's pretty obvious he didn't see Surfer until Surfer came into close enough range. You just completely disassociated your ideas from the comic itself, didn't you?Thanos did not see Surfer before Surfer moved. This isn't even a failure in English. Just... just look at the pictures.
The writer was very clear that Thanos' cosmic senses were dampened and that Thanos would not know his opponents' next move in advance. That does not bar him from amping his reflexes at all. You missed the debate. Go play in traffic and hope the cars don't miss you. And I mean that lovingly, kiddo.
You fail to even understand my posts so it's not a surprise you can't figure out the comic.
He said he's have to rely on his own battle skills which means they are his own not some amped Thanos reacting at quicker levels. Read the comic man if you think Thanos was reacting quicker than normal see Hulk, Spiderman, and Thor teeing off on him and catching him unaware.
You really are not intelligent at all. I say that with all the love in the world, old timer.
^ In all honesty, your first paragraph makes no sense to me. Thanos didn't foresee Surfer moving before he moved. He only saw him as he came in close, when Surfer missed.
Regardless, relying on his own battle skills and wits =/= preventing yourself from amping speed. That's about as stupidly tenuous as acting like knowing your opponents' next move = seeing your opponent's movement. ENGLISH, motherf*cker, do you speak it?
I'm younger than you. Calling you kiddo is a euphemism for your retarded arguments. You missed the debate. Listen to KuRuPT Thanosi.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I know he didn't foresee him because he turned that ability off. You kept questioning my usage of the word movement but I was only referring to Thanos having this ability before he took on the heroes because he specifically turned this off.
^ In all honesty, your first paragraph makes no sense to me. Thanos didn't foresee Surfer moving before he moved. He only saw him as he came in close, when Surfer missed.Regardless, relying on his own battle skills and wits =/= preventing yourself from amping speed. That's about as stupidly tenuous as acting like knowing your opponents' next move = seeing your opponent's movement. ENGLISH, motherf*cker, do you speak it?
I'm younger than you. Calling you kiddo is a euphemism for your retarded arguments. You missed the debate. Listen to KuRuPT Thanosi.
So when he says own battle skills he really means ig amped battle skills? English, insert expletive do you speak it?
Oh I get it. It's just an insult when you have lost the debate. You didn't even understand the debate so who's the kiddo?
Simple statements like the one in question I picture you sitting there puzzled wondering what the writer really means.
^ Actually, you kept stating that seeing an opponent's movement = knowing your opponent's next move before it happens.
.......... Yes. Because he amped himself with the IG several times during the course of the fight. It's a comic book, there are pictures. Just look at the pictures if you don't understand English.
No, it means your argument's retarded. Acting like you can divorce a character's feats from a fight where he possesses the Infinity Gauntlet is definitely retarded.
I picture you sitting in your own feces, grabbing your nuts and slamming your head against the keyboard to type your responses. To each his own.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, because they are the same thing. When his powers were intact he could do either so my grasp of the english language is there while you cannot even fathom my intricate post.
^ Actually, you kept stating that seeing an opponent's movement = knowing your opponent's next move before it happens........... Yes. Because he amped himself with the IG several times during the course of the fight. It's a comic book, there are pictures. Just look at the pictures if you don't understand English.
No, it means your argument's retarded. Acting like you can divorce a character's feats from a fight where he possesses the Infinity Gauntlet is definitely retarded.
I picture you sitting in your own feces, grabbing your nuts and slamming your head against the keyboard to type your responses. To each his own.
Yes, and he stated he was going to retain limitless power and take away the ability to know their moves before they occurred. This means they have a small chance as they can catch him off guard but he still has limitless power so it's still rather small.
Do you honestly think the writer's intention with the dialogue is to have Thanos fighting with increased senses in this fight or do you think it was Thanos showing off?
Says the guy who thinks Thanos getting caught off guard by spiderman is showing increases senses. You really are a sad individual.
^ Knowing an opponents' next move =/= seeing your opponents' movement. I cannot fathom the intricate stupidity of that comment. Learn English. ENGLISH.
Exactly. He would remove the ability to know their moves before they occurred. He did not know that Surfer was moving to grab the Gauntlet until it was nearly too late.
Do you honestly feel the need to straw-man me desperately?
Says the gal who thinks knowing an opponent's plan of attack in advance = seeing your opponent's move when it's happening and nearly too late. This is by far, your stupidest argument since Thanos > Odin. I mean... honestly? Thanos' feats during the fight where he had the Infinity Gauntlet count for Thanos himself and have nothing to do with the Infinity Gauntlet, despite him wearing the Infinity Gauntlet? Honestly? Seriously? Truly? Stupid.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0His powers meant he sees what they do before they do it meaning he sees their next movements/move. Comprehend his powers before you get into a word battle you can't win.
^ Knowing an opponents' next move =/= seeing your opponents' movement. I cannot fathom the intricate stupidity of that comment. Learn English. ENGLISH.Exactly. He would remove the ability to know their moves before they occurred. He did not know that Surfer was moving to grab the Gauntlet until it was nearly too late.
Do you honestly feel the need to straw-man me desperately?
Says the gal who thinks knowing an opponent's plan of attack in advance = seeing your opponent's move when it's happening and nearly too late. This is by far, your stupidest argument since Thanos > Odin. I mean... honestly? Thanos' feats during the fight where he had the Infinity Gauntlet count for Thanos himself and have nothing to do with the Infinity Gauntlet, despite him wearing the Infinity Gauntlet? Honestly? Seriously? Truly? Stupid.
again you are confused as to what I am saying. You really are thick, old timer.
When did I say that? Again you don't even realize what it is I am even saying because your thick. I am saying his reflexes were his own but his powers were amped and were limitless. he explains this all on panel but you feel getting hit by spiderman equals amped reflexes.
When he said he has to rely on his own battle skills do you think he means coupled with the ig enhanced abilities?
Ps. You ignore the dialogue from the Odin/Thanos battle just like you do here proving you are a biased, ignorant individual.
^ Hey. You literally are talking to a wall now. Just because I see someone waving their hand in front of my face, doesn't mean I knew they were going to wave their hand in front of my face beforehand via cosmic senses. He turned off the latter, not the former. He turned off the ability to amp the latter, not the ability to amp the former.
You confused yourself. You're not even speaking English at this point.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Then why did he say he has to rely on his own skills? Was that line meant to confuse us? Where else in this melee fight did he react quicker than he would normally do so?
^ Hey. You literally are talking to a wall now. Just because I see someone waving their hand in front of my face, doesn't mean I knew they were going to wave their hand in front of my face beforehand via cosmic senses. He turned off the latter, not the former. He turned off the ability to amp the latter, not the ability to amp the former.You confused yourself. You're not even speaking English at this point.
You can't even given one example because the entire fight he was acting like Thanos just with a lot of power. It was explained on panel and yet you still cannot even give a shred of evidence.
^ Where else in the fight did he temporally BFR people with the IG except that one time? So the one time he temporally BFR never happened? The level of stupidity oozing from this argument is near overwhelming.
You cannot even comprehend that Flash can amp reflexes without having to amp his telepathy, precognition or cosmic senses. Because the former doesn't have anything to do with the latter. Just like Thanos w/IG who can do the former, while blocking his ability to do the latter.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0He barely missed because Thanos moved. That's it the scene isn't supposed to describe enhanced senses because we already were told he turned them off so he'd be fighting just like normal with unlimited power.
^ Where else in the fight did he temporally BFR people with the IG except that one time? So the one time he temporally BFR never happened? The level of stupidity oozing from this argument is near overwhelming.You cannot even comprehend that Flash can amp reflexes without having to amp his telepathy, precognition or cosmic senses. Because the former doesn't have anything to do with the latter. Just like Thanos w/IG who can do the former, while blocking his ability to do the latter.
Again, you don't have any examples and the rest of the comic clearly shows Thanos was fighting at normal reactionary levels with unlimited power. To even say he had enhances senses yet was caught off guard by Hulk, Spiderman, Wolverine, Cloak, Thor, and almost the Surfer hurts my brain you would suggest something so literally stupid.
^ He missed. Thanos reacting as he flew by is the reaction feat that you're going all wide-eyed over. He turned off his ability to know his opponent's next move. He did not know Surfer was making a grab for it until it was nearly too late. So clearly, Thanos preventing himself from knowing his opponents' next move beforehand was in no way compromised.
Apparently, Thanos never grew big on-panel with the IG. Because he never stayed big the entire time. Also, Thanos never temporally BFR'ed Firelord and Drax because he never temporally BFR'ed everybody the entire time. You literally dismissed the entire fight from even existing. Amazing deduction.