Originally posted by BadabingQuanchi112's desperate flirting with me is not baiting. uhuh
Quan and ODG, please stop whatever it is that's being reported. Baiting and flaming aren't allowed.This thread is thanduros vs superdur, not Quan vs ODG. sneer
And my spurning his unwanted advances is not flaming. uhuh uhuh
Also, Surfer missing Thanos' IG is not an uber Thanos-feat. If anything, it's an uber Surfer-phail. uhuh uhuh uhuh
Originally posted by Estacadommm
Thanos.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0😂
Quanchi112's desperate flirting with me is not baiting. uhuhAnd my spurning his unwanted advances is not flaming. uhuh uhuh
Also, Surfer missing Thanos' IG is not an uber Thanos-feat. If anything, it's an uber Surfer-phail. uhuh uhuh uhuh
Originally posted by OneDumbG0There was no sign whatsoever he was amping his reflexes. He actually said he has to rely on his own skills meaning his own reflexes.
On the underlined part. You're a troll. Or you're stupid. Pick one. I've told you numerous times that Thanos amping his reflexes does not amp his senses. You're a troll. Or you're stupid. Pick one.I've never once said Thanos amped his senses to do what he did. Never. Put words into my mouth again blatantly like this and you're reported.
You're a troll. Or you're stupid. Pick one.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0What do his skills mean then? If the ig isn't helping his skill set which has to do with reflexes then what on panel shows you he was?
^ Skills =/= reflexes. sneerAmping reflexes isn't mutually exclusive of relying on one's skills. Neither is size-shifting or temporally BFR'ing.
Originally posted by quanchi112Skills = battle wits and battle savvy. Also skills =/= reflexes.
What do his skills mean then? If the ig isn't helping his skill set which has to do with reflexes then what on panel shows you he was?
Example: Flash is not the most skilled character in comics just because he can react the fastest.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I know you said skills do not equal reflexes but clearly his dialogue means he keeps unlimited power fighting under his own normal senses along wit skills and reflexes.
Skills = battle wits and battle savvy. Also skills =/= reflexes.Example: Flash is not the most skilled character in comics just because he can react the fastest.
Flash does have skills though based on his history to react as quick as he does.
The point is Thanos wasn't using increased reflexes at all and this was because he was under his own the entire time. If he felt they had no chance why use them?
^ Normal senses, yes. Relying on his own battle wits and savvy, yes. Normal reflexes... no... he never mentioned them at all. You keep inserting that in there with no proof. You've tried to tuck the idea of "reflexes" under the definition to both "senses" and "skills." Neither work. What makes you think you can pretend like he mentioned his own "reflexes" in the same breath as them when he clearly did not?
Skills =/= reflexes.
If he felt they had no chance, why use sizeshifting or temporal BFR'ing or Cap shield-busting shots? This question answers your question.
OMG.. come on guys.. as we discussed ODG.. Nothing is reliable or can be proven either way... You don't know that his reflexes were amped as there was nothing ever shown, implied or stated of him doing so. By the same token.. when you have the IG.. you can't reliably distinguish one's own powers with that of something as grand as the IG. Point being.. either way we just don't know for certain if he did or didn't.
^ Like people aren't certain that Thanos himself can bust Cap's shield or sizeshift or temporally BFR? I disagree. It's quite a bit more unreliable to assume the IG had nothing to do with it. After all, he was wearing the Infinity Gauntlet. Ultimately, it makes it useless to cite in an argument.
Few people (if any) pick feats from King Thor and act like Thor did them on his own. Or feats from Parallax and act like Hal did em on his own. Or feats from Anomaly Maelstrom and act like Maelstrom em it on his own. And countless, countless other examples where characters are amped. Thanos is not a special exception and neither is the Infinity Gauntlet. It strains credulity to suggest otherwise.
I get what you're saying as we've discussed this before. However, you're using a few fallacies here in the process… First as I stated before… other examples were quite CLEAR he was using the IG as we've never seen him do that kinda stuff before under his own power. If thanos had transmuted a skrull to stone would you say that was because of the IG and be certain of it? No you couldn't do so.. Why because it could be that he used the IG, yet he's also do so under his own powerset and thus nothing can be said for sure one way or another. He's shown very quick reflexes before under his own powerset and thus it is also possible that was his own doing and NOTHING to do with the IG.
Furthermore, if he had use ALL of the powers of EACH gem then your argument would hold more validity. However, that isn't the case is it. So.. we are working under a premise that he didn’t amp everything he could and use everything to its maximum capacity. That is undisputable. So.. if there are things he didn't amp that he could.. that right there proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's possible he didn't amp his reflexes. Period. That is undeniable that it's a possible he didn't since we are working under that premise and conclusion. To go further… we also have to use common sense as well… Your saying that just because he has the IG each and everything he does with it could be attributed to the IG. True it could be.. However, we also have to use common sense.. The way he walked and talked throughout the arc could be because of the IG as well, yet do we need to take it that far? The authors intent wasn't to convey that EVERYTHING Thanos did, even the smallest of details was because of the IG. Reflexes could fail under such a detail that wasn't trying to be conveyed by the writer and artist. We SAW Thanos grow in size.. we SAW Thanos use BFR and other exotic abilities he's never shown before. However we also saw Thanos fight with the same speed and he's also fought under. There is ZERO evidence throughout the story that showed or implied ANY amp in his reflexes, where other things were CLEARLY shown.
Your also making a faulty comparison with the examples you just gave…. The key difference is that Thanos specifically stated that he was limiting himself some and not using all of the abilities he had at his disposal. That is a key difference to the cases you cited. Thus that right there makes it undisputable that reflexes COULD have been one of those things.
Now all that being said… as I said.. It is possible his reflexes were, but you're arguing from a position that they WERE and as if that is a fact. That is neither sound or logical as you have ZERO proof of any kinda to back up that conclusion. Thus my original message you responded to was spot on. It could be that it was.. it could be that it wasn't.. we just don't know.. I also agree that it's unreliable and unsound to for certain try and distinguish some feats from others while using something like a IG. We agree there. However, my only issue is from you arguing from a point a view that is factual, when in fact, you have no proof to back up your conclusion. In fact, the proof more lies that he wasn't amping his reflexes for the reasons stated above.
^ Just because it's possible he didn't amp himself, doesn't make it just as likely that he didn't amp himself. A distant possibility =/= equal probability. He wore the Infinity Gauntlet. Bottom-line.
Acting like I don't have any proof that he was amped when he was wearing the Infinity Gauntlet is nonsense. That in itself is proof.
All you're doing is relying on the shallow suggestion that it was more obvious that Thanos used the IG to sizeshift or shatter Cap's shield. That's supposed to make Thanos non-use of the IG in one single instance just as probable as him doing so? Nonsense. It's a false distinction and a red herring. It's far more reliable and likely he amped himself simply from the undeniable fact that he was wearing the Infinity Gauntlet.
Possibility that isn't explicitly precluded =/= equal probability one way or another.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The entire battle doesn't show him using increased reflexes and the time Surfer took to get to him wasn't time enough for Thanos to use them. he willed himself back to full power after not before. It's all right on panel. You think his reflexes are amped yet Hulk takes him by surprise.
^ Normal senses, yes. Relying on his own battle wits and savvy, yes. Normal reflexes... no... he never mentioned them at all. You keep inserting that in there with no proof. You've tried to tuck the idea of "reflexes" under the definition to both "senses" and "skills." Neither work. What makes you think you can pretend like he mentioned his own "reflexes" in the same breath as them when he clearly did not?Skills =/= reflexes.
If he felt they had no chance, why use sizeshifting or temporal BFR'ing or Cap shield-busting shots? This question answers your question.
Nothing on panel remotely leads us to your points. Nothing.
still waiting to hear how the ig (on reduced power/effectiveness and without foresight) amps reflexes.
thanos saw surfer coming cause the distraction warlock put together and the timing he told surfer to proceed at failed. cap is a go to guy but warlock should have told surfer to go when thanos was more occupied.