Originally posted by BlanketBecause with it this all would be nonsense. And u would be making yourself dumber each day by arguing stuff that goes against common sense. It will also become slippery slope. For example, if we throw common sense out of the window then I can say that Thor isn't a class 100 being although he lifted weights heavier than 100 tons. Who's to say where we can draw the line between common sense and nonsense at?
So why in the shit are you trying to insert common sense and real world logic into it?
Hulk does gain speed. The speed of his punches increase, he jumps out of orbit which takes more speed than to jump a few miles, etc. His reflexes may not increase though, then again they may.
Ya, Hulk doesn't gain any mass or speed. Yet he manages to hit harder. He doesn't gain any speed, he doesn't gain any speed. Power increase isn't interchangeable with speed unless other wise stated.
Learn to not be ambiguous and unclear.
No. Learn to read.
The time gem can manipulate the whole time line, thus it is relevant. It doesn't matter how Thanos uses his powers, the time gem can be used to increase movement speed even if it is a seemingly increase and not one according to your definition.
The only way your theory even is remotely close to true, is if the character was slowing time around them [b]the whole time, or in their own timeline. This doesn't increase their reflexes at all, but it makes it seem like it does. This however, is completely irrelevant to Thanos as that's not even close to how he used his powers.[/B]
See here: http://marvel.com/universe/Time_Gem Even if Thanos didn't use the time gem to **** with time. He at least used the power gem to increase his speed of movement.
If they aren't constantly mucking with time as it would have to be used to make it seem as they are faster... then their reflexes stay the same... like Thanos' were.
false. if not then why can't other characters do it?
Because he's a comic character. That's why he's able to do all of that.
My point still stands though. Hulk is faster than a normal human because he has specific powers increasing his speed (strength).
That would not be the case if it were true. As all cases vary. I was just explaining what Hulk being a comic character grants him in powers. Since you want to argue with my previous statement of him being such with some made up mumbo jumbo, so I thought I'd also answer your post with what him being a comic character entails him to specifically.
Either way, your previous statement of asking why Hulk is faster than a human completely disregards this previous point by you as well:
"[b]You having more power than another doesn't mean you will be faster than them. This is because your constant of proportionality from power to speed may be smaller than someone else's due to various factors. But having more power than you once had means that you will be faster than you once were. Do you understand?[/B]
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(Same post)
Why is Hulk faster than a human? Because he has more power right?"
Since everything apparently needs to be laid out to you in black and white, let me explain why you contradicted yourself.
I stated that Superman would be slower than Thanos because he was weaker. You stated this is not the case (see above). You then bring up the Hulk example... in the same post, and ask why he's faster than humans. Well this would be a completely irrelevant question as you previously stated that more power doesn't mean he's faster than them. So, that would mean it's a one off case... EXACTLY like why Superman is faster than Thanos, no? So this example is entirely contradicting the first thing you typed in the post (kind of funny how the last thing you post contradicts the first thing you do, as the last thing you said is supposed to reinforce the first thing you say... anyway). Either Thanos is faster than Superman, and Hulk is faster than humans because of power, or Superman is faster than Thanos, and Hulk is faster than humans not because of power (correct answer). One of what you said is wrong though...[/B][/QUOTE]
I did contradict myself didn't I? Well I only did this in the wording and not in thought. I should have added more detail. I was saying that Hulk was at first a human and then he gained strength thus making him faster than a human. But that doesn't mean Hulk will be faster than say another non human, even if Hulk has more strength.
Would I'm trying to say is difficult but not truly contradictory. There are two cases.
1. The case where A is a different being than B.
2. The case where A is actually B but with more power.
In case 1, A doesn't have to be faster than B even if A has more power.
In case 2, 'A' MUST be faster than B, keeping all other things equal.
I disagree. U are taking the lazy way out. Superman is faster because his power/resistance ratio is greater than Thano's. Hulk is faster because of the same reason.
You know why Superman is faster than Thanos? Because that's his power.
You know why Hulk is faster than a human? Because that's his power.
You know why some people have different powers than others? Because it's a ****ing comic that you seem to have no grasp of the concept, and don't even read in the first place.
No he wasn't.
He would have, because he was stronger. Speed has nothing to do with this, but I would love to see your assholesumptions to see why it does.
You are making up that Thanos is faster because he broke the shield, etc.You are ruining the point of the story in an effort to provide you answers to questions you don't think make sense... which then makes everyone you present your theories to make a big WTF face.
That's the only correct thing I think I've ever seen you type. As for the rest of your post... you should probably follow the basics of that, and start rebuilding everything you type in that image. For your sake, I'll point out to what I called right because you might completely miss it as I don't trust your ability to see it for yourself.
"If someone normally lifts something weighing more than 100 tons then they are a class 100 being. This is a fact not something made up."Etc, etc. Probably missing/overlooking something important, but I think (or hope anyway) that you get the gist of it.
You must understand that with all the contradictions in comics (comics even contradicting themselves) it is impossible to argue a comic fight. There has to be some type of order or logical precedence to govern the details. But the problem is where do u draw the line at. The only rules we have are forum rules, which are not perfect but all we have.
I'll tell u this much I'm willing to accept the unexplainable for the sake of comic debating (suspension of disabelief). But I will draw the line when I come across a contradiction in logic and common sense. This is who I am. I am happy with this and I feel this is the correct approach.
To be honest, what we are discussing is irrelavant anyway. It does nothing to show who wins this fight. I will drop it here and continue the debate.
Superman wins by combo to ko. Specifically, when Superman lands the first blow he will combo to ko. Superman will land the first blow because he is sufficiently faster than Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112Had you paid any attention to what I wrote, you'd be able to note that Thanos seeing Surfer as he is whizzing by, before he is out of the panel ought to be a reflex feat. I guess you either don't understand English or neglected to read what I actually wrote. Shocker.
So if he missed then why would you go on and on about him amping his reflexes? I guess you just changed your stance which tends to point to you wanting to discredit Thanos by any means.
Originally posted by h1a8Superman wins by combo to ko. Specifically, when Superman lands the first blow he will combo to ko. Superman will land the first blow because he is sufficiently faster than Thanos.
Originally posted by h1a8You're trying to insert real world logic and common sense into everything (and your common sense is no one's common sense anyway), when you outright ignore everything in comics.
Because with it this all would be nonsense. And u would be making yourself dumber each day by arguing stuff that goes against common sense. It will also become slippery slope. For example, if we throw common sense out of the window then I can say that Thor isn't a class 100 being although he lifted weights heavier than 100 tons. Who's to say where we can draw the line between common sense and nonsense at?
I wouldn't doubt that you would love to say Thor isn't a 100 tonner. Seeing as how bias you are.
Common sense is OK. Your common sense (IE, nonsense), is not OK.
That's where we draw the line. Just don't use anything you normally think, and we're fine.
Originally posted by h1a8No he doesn't.
Hulk does gain speed. The speed of his punches increase, he jumps out of orbit which takes more speed than to jump a few miles, etc. His reflexes may not increase though, then again they may.
Originally posted by h1a8I never even slightly ever hinted at more power equaling more strength. This is where you need to use some reading comprehension for once.
Learn to not be ambiguous and unclear.
Originally posted by h1a8The time gem can, but Thanos didn't. Do you not under****ingstand the simplest thing?
The time gem can manipulate the whole time line, thus it is relevant. It doesn't matter how Thanos uses his powers, the time gem can be used to increase movement speed even if it is a seemingly increase and not one according to your definition.
See here: http://marvel.com/universe/Time_Gem Even if Thanos didn't use the time gem to **** with time. He at least used the power gem to increase his speed of movement.
false. if not then why can't other characters do it?
The Power Gem doesn't increase his speed... at all. I have no idea where you're getting this, but then again, I have no idea where you get all your ideas. Simply put, stop making shit up.
Originally posted by h1a8He's faster because he's wrote like that. Because that's his power. Because he's a comic character.
My point still stands though. Hulk is faster than a normal human because he has specific powers increasing his speed (strength).
And you're still contradicting yourself. STILL.
Hulk should be faster than Superman then, because Hulk can become stronger than Superman.
Either you accept the easiest fact in comics that people are written differently and you drop this absolute bullshit argument of having more strength equals more speed, or you accept that Hulk is faster than Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8Hell ****ing yes you contradicted yourself. You just move on to another thing everytime one of your trolling attempts fails... like always.
I did contradict myself didn't I? Well I only did this in the wording and not in thought. I should have added more detail. I was saying that Hulk was at first a human and then he gained strength thus making him faster than a human. But that doesn't mean Hulk will be faster than say another non human, even if Hulk has more strength.Would I'm trying to say is difficult but not truly contradictory. There are two cases.
1. The case where A is a different being than B.
2. The case where A is actually B but with more power.In case 1, A doesn't have to be faster than B even if A has more power.
In case 2, 'A' MUST be faster than B, keeping all other things equal.
You should have just dropped the strength=speed argument, as this is worse than any argument even the mighty Quanchi wrote.
Also, the implications that Hulk only equals a human + strength is absolutely hilarious.
Originally posted by h1a8No, he's faster because his power is superspeed... because he's written that way in a comic book.
I disagree. U are taking the lazy way out. Superman is faster because his power/resistance ratio is greater than Thano's. Hulk is faster because of the same reason.
You're taking the retard way out.
Originally posted by h1a8Impossible to argue a comic book fight... yet you manage to spam the same speed argument in every thread... funny, no?
You must understand that with all the contradictions in comics (comics even contradicting themselves) it is impossible to argue a comic fight. There has to be some type of order or logical precedence to govern the details. But the problem is where do u draw the line at. The only rules we have are forum rules, which are not perfect but all we have.
I'll tell u this much I'm willing to accept the unexplainable for the sake of comic debating (suspension of disabelief). But I will draw the line when I come across a contradiction in logic and common sense. This is who I am. I am happy with this and I feel this is the correct approach.
Yet no one else feels this is the correct approach. And implying you're the only one who knows how to argue with comic books is absolutely good stuff.
Also, there's plenty of order in comic books, no one except you has a problem with this, as you're either inferior to everyone else, or you're superior. I'd lean towards the former IMO, but I digress.
Originally posted by h1a8You're wrong anyway, and you're wrong on this fight, but anyway...
To be honest, what we are discussing is irrelavant anyway. It does nothing to show who wins this fight. I will drop it here and continue the debate.
Originally posted by h1a8OK, some speed showings for Thanos. I'd go through durability, strength, shields, and blasts, but I really don't want to right now. This should suffice.
Superman wins by combo to ko. Specifically, when Superman lands the first blow he will combo to ko. Superman will land the first blow because he is sufficiently faster than Thanos.
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You seem that you'd be astounded by something like this. Catches him running, and then barely gets knicked when he's playing around:
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Catches his fist:
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Catches Mar-Vell's foot in his weakest, least upgraded form:
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Reacts to a cheapshot blitz attempt by Warlock:
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Catches Skreet, backhands a blast, and blocks another blast at close range:
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Punches a fireball away, and smacks away a big piece of debris (keep in mind he absorbed the clone afterwards):
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Reacts to Starfox and Iron Man before they touch him from behind:
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, I understand but the only reason he didn't get the ig was because Surfer missed. Now when has the ig ever been described as amping reflexes before. You seem to be under the misunderstanding you don't have to prove your claims.
Had you paid any attention to what I wrote, you'd be able to note that Thanos seeing Surfer as he is whizzing by, before he is out of the panel ought to be a reflex feat. I guess you either don't understand English or neglected to read what I actually wrote. Shocker.
Originally posted by quanchi112You doubt that the IG can amp reflexes? Is this another limitation on the IG's power? How awkward.
Yes, I understand but the only reason he didn't get the ig was because Surfer missed. Now when has the ig ever been described as amping reflexes before. You seem to be under the misunderstanding you don't have to prove your claims.
Originally posted by quanchi112If we're not arguing over whether it could, then there's no reason behind your request except to argue for the sake of arguing. We don't need the writer to ram home with a panel: "I amped myself with the IG." The very presence of the IG throws everything into doubt, especially when you have an ambiguous feat to begin with as psycho gundam pointed out.
I never said it couldn't I just wanted you to back your claim. Where in the story was the writer ramming this home? You can't assume something and then not back it up.
Superman 7/10.
This is why:
He can shoot lasers from his eyes. They are hotter than the sun.
He can breath ice from his mouth. It is colder than space.
He is also much faster. Faster than the speed of Jim Starlin. This is
crucial.
He also has a cellophane "S" logo that he keeps close to him at all times. Thanos won't be able to counter this.
Superman also has Supermansi or Superman Robots.
He has a space dog who can make Prime hurt.
Thanos has no defense against Lois who will berate him and make him feel inferior as a man.
Does Thanos have a best friend like Jimmy Olsen? I think not. He's a lonely little Titan.
Superman hangs out with Batman. Again, no defense.
Superman can eat the Infinity Gems and poop out the HOTU.
Thanos is purple.
I beat Thanos with Superman in MUGEN.
I beat Thanos in Heroclix with Superman.
I have a Superman shirt. Thanos hasn't had the honor of me buying his apparel.
Has Thanos been in a live action movie? I think not.
Thanos died too many times to beat Superman.
Thanos doesn't have a theme song. Big mark against him, here.
Superman is stronger than a locomotive. The world's largest locomotive is bigger than Thanos.
Thanos needs the Thanoscopter in order to fly.
Superman can mindrape. True story. I don't have scans.
Superman was stated to be the most powerful person on Earth. Thanos wasn't.
I dress up like Superman and pretend to be him instead of doing the same for Thanos 'cause who wants to be a purple dude who wants to have sex with Death? I'd do Lois, though. Maybe. IDK. I'm hungry.
I'll think of more reasons later.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAgreed.
Superman 7/10.This is why:
He can shoot lasers from his eyes. They are hotter than the sun.
He can breath ice from his mouth. It is colder than space.
He is also much faster. Faster than the speed of Jim Starlin. This is
crucial.He also has a cellophane "S" logo that he keeps close to him at all times. Thanos won't be able to counter this.
Superman also has Supermansi or Superman Robots.
He has a space dog who can make Prime hurt.
Thanos has no defense against Lois who will berate him and make him feel inferior as a man.
Does Thanos have a best friend like Jimmy Olsen? I think not. He's a lonely little Titan.
Superman hangs out with Batman. Again, no defense.
Superman can eat the Infinity Gems and poop out the HOTU.
Thanos is purple.
I beat Thanos with Superman in MUGEN.
I beat Thanos in Heroclix with Superman.
I have a Superman shirt. Thanos hasn't had the honor of me buying his apparel.
Has Thanos been in a live action movie? I think not.
Thanos died too many times to beat Superman.
Thanos doesn't have a theme song. Big mark against him, here.
Superman is stronger than a locomotive. The world's largest locomotive is bigger than Thanos.
Thanos needs the Thanoscopter in order to fly.
Superman can mindrape. True story. I don't have scans.
Superman was stated to be the most powerful person on Earth. Thanos wasn't.
I dress up like Superman and pretend to be him instead of doing the same for Thanos 'cause who wants to be a purple dude who wants to have sex with Death? I'd do Lois, though. Maybe. IDK. I'm hungry.
I'll think of more reasons later.
Superman beats the real Darkseid. He'll have no problem with a mid-high tier 3 copy.
biscuits
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThis was a great post. But you forgot on thing: Thanos has the chin. Superman loses.
Superman 7/10.This is why:
He can shoot lasers from his eyes. They are hotter than the sun.
He can breath ice from his mouth. It is colder than space.
He is also much faster. Faster than the speed of Jim Starlin. This is
crucial.He also has a cellophane "S" logo that he keeps close to him at all times. Thanos won't be able to counter this.
Superman also has Supermansi or Superman Robots.
He has a space dog who can make Prime hurt.
Thanos has no defense against Lois who will berate him and make him feel inferior as a man.
Does Thanos have a best friend like Jimmy Olsen? I think not. He's a lonely little Titan.
Superman hangs out with Batman. Again, no defense.
Superman can eat the Infinity Gems and poop out the HOTU.
Thanos is purple.
I beat Thanos with Superman in MUGEN.
I beat Thanos in Heroclix with Superman.
I have a Superman shirt. Thanos hasn't had the honor of me buying his apparel.
Has Thanos been in a live action movie? I think not.
Thanos died too many times to beat Superman.
Thanos doesn't have a theme song. Big mark against him, here.
Superman is stronger than a locomotive. The world's largest locomotive is bigger than Thanos.
Thanos needs the Thanoscopter in order to fly.
Superman can mindrape. True story. I don't have scans.
Superman was stated to be the most powerful person on Earth. Thanos wasn't.
I dress up like Superman and pretend to be him instead of doing the same for Thanos 'cause who wants to be a purple dude who wants to have sex with Death? I'd do Lois, though. Maybe. IDK. I'm hungry.
I'll think of more reasons later.
