Originally posted by -Pr-When has he beaten Orion ? When has he surpassed Marvel ?
except for all the times when he's actually, you know, done it.
Originally posted by h1a8All heroes hold back. It's funny how it only counts in Superman's favor yet marvel holds back all the same. Superman also didn't hold back against WW so let's not forget he went all out against her while she held back and still ended up slicing open his throat despite that.
Superman is always shown to be peers with many strong foes. Whether they are class 80 or not. This is because he holds back (subconsciously and consciously) and the for the sake of the story for adversity. It was stated that WW is stronger than Hercules (her strength is derived from Gaia) and it is stated that Marvel has the strength of Hercules. Superman is stated and shown to be stronger than WW, actually I think I remember it being stated recently that he was the strongest on Earth.
Superman has been shown to be equal to Marvel in strength so we know they are even steven. Superman fans like to pretend he's stronger when this just isn't the case.