Originally posted by CosmicComet
Force is Force.It is irrelevant if it comes from energy or a physical object.
No it's not. Lasers have burning properties but little concussive force. A sledge hammer can have huge concussive force but little burning properties.
A fireproof jacket is not bulletproof and a bulletproof vest is not fireproof.
Energy beams in comics have both burning power and concussive power. But a punch and Thor's hammer hit is all concussive.
Originally posted by h1a8
No it's not. Lasers have burning properties but little concussive force. A sledge hammer can have huge concussive force but little burning properties.
A fireproof jacket is not bulletproof and a bulletproof vest is not fireproof.Energy beams in comics have both burning power and concussive power. But a punch and Thor's hammer hit is all concussive.
It's still energy, just in different forms.
This thread is beyond ridiculous.
Superman can stand toe to toe with someone who held his own against Odin?
Doesn't Marvel have some kind of strength stat of Thanos?
Speed can always be neutralized, especially by Thanos who is leagues above Superman in intelligence.
Thanos can react EASILY to faster opponents.
Superman's speed and strength are not the most important factors when fighting Thanos.
It's his heart, which still won't be enough to put down Thanos.
Even if Wonderwoman, Thor and Green Lantern teamed up with Superman, Thanos still wins.
Originally posted by ToughMind
This thread is beyond ridiculous.Superman can stand toe to toe with someone who held his own against Odin?
Doesn't Marvel have some kind of strength stat of Thanos?
Speed can always be neutralized, especially by Thanos who is leagues above Superman in intelligence.
Thanos can react EASILY to faster opponents.
Superman's speed and strength are not the most important factors when fighting Thanos.
It's his heart, which still won't be enough to put down Thanos.
Even if Wonderwoman, Thor and Green Lantern teamed up with Superman, Thanos still wins.
You're angry, sit down....
Originally posted by biensalsaEnough to not budge from an attack from Odin that oneshotted the Surfer who is a peer to Superman not Thanos.
Nah Quan his physical stats are not as impressive as you wish they were.
Originally posted by h1a8You can't evade it. Superman was also put in block before by Infinity Man. That's a comic book example while you are just making baseless reasons.
Superman evades the forceblock or better yet pops Thanos before he does the forceblock or better yet becomes intangible and then tangible behind Thanos and works him.Shields will crumble eventually or Thanos releases them to attack and gets worked or Superman becomes intangible through them and works him on the inside.
Blunt force attacks are not the same as energy blast attacks. Glads was nullifying Tyrant's beam with his hv.
Thanos has been downgraded. He has no tech, no teleportation power, no shields from TI (if I'm wrong here then show me), and seems physically weaker and less durable than before.
Originally posted by h1a8
No it's not.
Yes.
It is.
Force is Force. Regardless of the source.
Lasers have burning properties but little concussive force.
You realize, this is actually irrelevant to what I was saying, don't you?
A sledge hammer can have huge concussive force but little burning properties. A fireproof jacket is not bulletproof and a bulletproof vest is not fireproof.
Irrelevant to what I was saying.
Energy beams in comics have both burning power and concussive power. But a punch and Thor's hammer hit is all concussive.
I don't even understand what the hell you are getting at anymore.
If you can withstand X amount of force, then it is irrelevant what source it comes from. A hammer, an explosion, it is irrelevant.
That has nothing to do with the concept of more variables being available within a non-physical like an explosion, such as heat, as you said, but the force itself it provides is nothing esoteric at all.
If can you can withstand 10,000 lbs of force from car hitting you or something, 10,000 lbs of force from an explosion is nothing that will bother you either. (obviously the heat is a different question)
Why? Because, repeat after me; force is force.
Whether it comes from a blunt object, sharp object, energy blast etc. it doesn't matter.
Originally posted by ToughMind
This thread is beyond ridiculous.Superman can stand toe to toe with someone who held his own against Odin?
Doesn't Marvel have some kind of strength stat of Thanos?
Speed can always be neutralized, especially by Thanos who is leagues above Superman in intelligence.
Thanos can react EASILY to faster opponents.
Superman's speed and strength are not the most important factors when fighting Thanos.
It's his heart, which still won't be enough to put down Thanos.
Even if Wonderwoman, Thor and Green Lantern teamed up with Superman, Thanos still wins.
One thing.
Speed CANNOT be neutralized unless you have some extremely exotic setups that are in-place.
Like sensory auto-shields, followed by sufficiently fast and powerful AOE attacks (otherwise the AOE attacks can be outrun or tanked.)
If you don't have any of that, and you don't have the reflexes to process someone else's speed, you are completely phucked. How intelligent you are, would be completely irrelevant. That would only matter with prep.
Originally posted by CosmicCometLOL, Dude. It's completely relevant, you just didn't understand. I'll prove it more clearly below.
Yes.It is.
Force is Force. Regardless of the source.
You realize, this is actually irrelevant to what I was saying, don't you?
Irrelevant to what I was saying.
I don't even understand what the hell you are getting at anymore.
If you can withstand X amount of force, then it is irrelevant what source it comes from. A hammer, an explosion, it is irrelevant.
That has nothing to do with the concept of more variables being available within a non-physical like an explosion, such as heat, as you said, but the force itself it provides is nothing esoteric at all.
If can you can withstand 10,000 lbs of force from car hitting you or something, 10,000 lbs of force from an explosion is nothing that will bother you either. (obviously the heat is a different question)
Why? Because, repeat after me; force is force.
Whether it comes from a blunt object, sharp object, energy blast etc. it doesn't matter.
Either a very hot 2 second laser beam or a bullet shot from a gun has more force than the other or they both have the same force. That means if an object can withstand the greater then it certainly can withstand the weaker (according to your logic). We good so far?
Ok, now lets take a high tech heat resistant mat and hit it with both the 2 second laser and a bullet shot from a gun. The bullet passes through the jacket but the laser fails to burn through. So by your logic the bullet had more force on it than the laser did.
Now lets take a 1/4 inch thick steel plate and hit it with the same 2 second laser and bullet. The laser burns a hole through the plate but the bullet fails to penetrate completely. That means the laser had more force than the bullet.
We reach a contradiction. Thus we conclude that your assumption that blunt force penetration is directly related to the penetration ability of energy beams is wrong. The concept of 'Force' here is also wrong.
Lastly, there are alloys that have higher melting points, but aren't as tough in stress tests, as other alloys that have lower melting points. This is a fact.
Originally posted by Stoic
It's still energy, just in different forms.
But there is no direct relationship since there exists contradictions. Otherwise a fireproof jacket will automatically be bulletproof since a bulletproof jacket can withstand a bullet.
The problem is assuming the non existence of differences of both physical and chemical properties of substances.
Originally posted by ToughMind
This thread is beyond ridiculous.Superman can stand toe to toe with someone who held his own against Odin?
Doesn't Marvel have some kind of strength stat of Thanos?
Speed can always be neutralized, especially by Thanos who is leagues above Superman in intelligence.
Thanos can react EASILY to faster opponents.
Superman's speed and strength are not the most important factors when fighting Thanos.
It's his heart, which still won't be enough to put down Thanos.
Even if Wonderwoman, Thor and Green Lantern teamed up with Superman, Thanos still wins.
It's a good argument that Thanos Odin fight was PIS and that Odin jobbed to him.
Also I have already proven that energy blast penetration isn't directly related to blunt force damage.
Speed can't be neutralized if one can't react and respond to the speedster.
Superman is so fast that he can seemingly be in 5 places at once in Thanos eyes.
Superman also has the ability to become intangible.
How would Thanos even beat Superman if Kal is fighting smart and using his speed and powers intelligently as he has shown before he can do?
Originally posted by psycho gundamOf course they do. Otherwise we wouldn't see so many get phucked up by blunt force attacks when they have easily tanked blasts. Bottom line:
completely irrelevant as comic laser blasts don't adhere to science in the slightest. they're barely consistent within showings of the same beam shot by the same character as it is
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Yes.It is.
Force is Force. Regardless of the source.
You realize, this is actually irrelevant to what I was saying, don't you?
Irrelevant to what I was saying.
I don't even understand what the hell you are getting at anymore.
If you can withstand X amount of force, then it is irrelevant what source it comes from. A hammer, an explosion, it is irrelevant.
That has nothing to do with the concept of more variables being available within a non-physical like an explosion, such as heat, as you said, but the force itself it provides is nothing esoteric at all.
If can you can withstand 10,000 lbs of force from car hitting you or something, 10,000 lbs of force from an explosion is nothing that will bother you either. (obviously the heat is a different question)
Why? Because, repeat after me; force is force.
Whether it comes from a blunt object, sharp object, energy blast etc. it doesn't matter.
You speak about maths and sciences, but some characters, including Superman, is known to travel ftl. Which is impossible. So there's that.
Superman is aguarbly as powerful as Silver Surfer and Thor. The three of them are aguarbly in the same weight class. Which means Superman is super****ed, because Thanos is working at a hole other weight class.
It'd be like putting Jose Aldo (Superman) vs Junior Dos Santos (Thanos); Aldo is a BEAST in his weight class, but he just don't have the firepower to drop and beat someone like Dos Santos.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's a good argument that Thanos Odin fight was PIS and that Odin jobbed to him.
Also I have already proven that energy blast penetration isn't directly related to blunt force damage.
Speed can't be neutralized if one can't react and respond to the speedster.
Superman is so fast that he can seemingly be in 5 places at once in Thanos eyes.
Superman also has the ability to become intangible.How would Thanos even beat Superman if Kal is fighting smart and using his speed and powers intelligently as he has shown before he can do?
By punching him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Of course they do. Otherwise we wouldn't see so many get phucked up by blunt force attacks when they have easily tanked blasts. Bottom line:
comic blasts and blunt force aren't directly related.
How can you say that? If anything, blunt force is probably weaker that "comic blast".