Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by h1a8
LOL, Dude. It's completely relevant, you just didn't understand. I'll prove it more clearly below.

Either a very hot 2 second laser beam or a bullet shot from a gun has more force than the other or they both have the same force. That means if an object can withstand the greater then it certainly can withstand the weaker (according to your logic). We good so far?

Ok, now lets take a high tech heat resistant mat and hit it with both the 2 second laser and a bullet shot from a gun. The bullet passes through the jacket but the laser fails to burn through. So by your logic the bullet had more force on it than the laser did.

Now lets take a 1/4 inch thick steel plate and hit it with the same 2 second laser and bullet. The laser burns a hole through the plate but the bullet fails to penetrate completely. That means the laser had more force than the bullet.

We reach a contradiction. Thus we conclude that your assumption that blunt force penetration is directly related to the penetration ability of energy beams is wrong. The concept of 'Force' here is also wrong.

Lastly, there are alloys that have higher melting points, but aren't as tough in stress tests, as other alloys that have lower melting points. This is a fact.

But there is no direct relationship since there exists contradictions. Otherwise a fireproof jacket will automatically be bulletproof since a bulletproof jacket can withstand a bullet.

The problem is assuming the non existence of differences of both physical and chemical properties of substances.

Uh..... No

F=ma
Force is the directional push or pull of an object...

Heat energy is not the same as kinetic energy, acceleration, work.... Etc.

You took apples and oranges and confused the two. :-/

If you have two objects with the same force then the underlying variable is whether their masses are the same. If not then although the force exerted may be equal, the amount of psi is not. But if two objects carry with them the same force but one has an additional attribute such as say heat.... When taken against a heat resistant material the heat would dissipate but the force would be the same.... Unless the heat resistant material also carries with it additional properties to absorb or deflect the force itself.

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Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic doesn't work here. Superman does have the tools to beat Thanos.
Speed is the key for him.

In a comic or forum match I could see this happening. If thanos knows anything about supermans weaknesses though it is a done deal...

And even then a mental assault like what was used against hulk to weaken superman enough or even disorient him would give purple chin face an advantage...

Is thanos still unkillable cause that instant regen Lloyd make it hard to declare. A win for Clark.

Originally posted by rotiart
Uh..... No

F=ma
Force is the directional push or pull of an object...

Heat energy is not the same as kinetic energy, acceleration, work.... Etc.

You took apples and oranges and confused the two. :-/

If you have two objects with the same force then the underlying variable is whether their masses are the same. If not then although the force exerted may be equal, the amount of psi is not. But if two objects carry with them the same force but one has an additional attribute such as say heat.... When taken against a heat resistant material the heat would dissipate but the force would be the same.... Unless the heat resistant material also carries with it additional properties to absorb or deflect the force itself.

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Originally posted by rotiart
Uh..... No

F=ma
Force is the directional push or pull of an object...

Heat energy is not the same as kinetic energy, acceleration, work.... Etc.

You took apples and oranges and confused the two. :-/

If you have two objects with the same force then the underlying variable is whether their masses are the same. If not then although the force exerted may be equal, the amount of psi is not. But if two objects carry with them the same force but one has an additional attribute such as say heat.... When taken against a heat resistant material the heat would dissipate but the force would be the same.... Unless the heat resistant material also carries with it additional properties to absorb or deflect the force itself.

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You are quoting the wrong person. I'm not the one confused; it was the other poster. He was the one using the incorrect concept Force, not me. He keep claiming force is force and newtons is newtons as to say that energy blast resistance is directly related to blunt force resistance.

I was using his terms (not mine) against him to show contradictions. I even told him that he was using the wrong concept (Force) and that pressure, heat, cold, etc. plays roles.

You are right though to an extent. Although energy blasts can contain concussive force they also contain burning and other properties. So being resistance to an energy blast doesn't mean you must be resistance to blunt force attacks, or even cut force attacks.

Comics constantly and consistently show that energy blast resistance isn't always directly related to blunt force resistance. It will never be seen that Thanos can no sell a Thor's hammer swing to head.

Originally posted by rotiart
In a comic or forum match I could see this happening. If thanos knows anything about supermans weaknesses though it is a done deal...

And even then a mental assault like what was used against hulk to weaken superman enough or even disorient him would give purple chin face an advantage...

Is thanos still unkillable cause that instant regen Lloyd make it hard to declare. A win for Clark.

Superman has proven resistance to mental assault so it is complete speculation on how much Thanos can affect Superman in that way. The same goes for Thor, SS, etc. No one argues that Thanos will mind rape them or even slightly mess with them mentally.

Also Superman won't just sit there and allow that. He would be attacking, making Thanos think about defense (assuming he can respond).

Superman gets the beating of his life, Thanos is more versatile and vastly more powerful, Superman would be lucky if he can get out of the ICU without crutches.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman gets the beating of his life, Thanos is more versatile and vastly more powerful, Superman would be lucky if he can get out of the ICU without crutches.

QFT

Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman gets the beating of his life, Thanos is more versatile and vastly more powerful, Superman would be lucky if he can get out of the ICU without crutches.

How will Thanos be beating on Superman when he is slower and physically weaker?

Originally posted by h1a8
How will Thanos be beating on Superman when he is slower and physically weaker?

By being physically stronger and having the abilities to tag him?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
By being physically stronger and having the abilities to tag him?

Superman's feats are greater and thus he is stronger. We base who's stronger off feats, just in case you didn't know.

Thanos doesn't have Superman level speed and couldn't hope to tag him if Superman didn't really want him to.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman's feats are greater and thus he is stronger. We base who's stronger off feats, just in case you didn't know.

Thanos doesn't have Superman level speed and couldn't hope to tag him if Superman didn't really want him to.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman's feats are greater and thus he is stronger. We base who's stronger off feats, just in case you didn't know.

Thanos doesn't have Superman level speed and couldn't hope to tag him if Superman didn't really want him to.

He tagged Surfer which is way, way faster that Superman, and combat feats from Thanos shits all over Superman's.

He fought Odin in a big ass fight while Surfer got one-shotted.

He fought and survived Tyrant, who previously crushed Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill AND Silver Surfer.

He humiliated Lord Mar-Vell, who previously one-shotted the Magus, who himself plowed threw the Gardians of the Galaxy.

He beats the living shit out of Surfer numerous times. And if you make a poll, you'll see that a majority of people think that Surfer win a majority against Superman.

He fought and won against Thor.

In one occasion, he was sparing against Thor, Hercules, Thing and Hulk. And he was winning. Thor alone can aguarbly pull of a majority or at the very least a statlemate against Superman.

Thanos wins 10/10 against Superman and there isn't a goddamn thing he can do about it. And more then that, I think he can defeat not only Superman, but Sups and some of his pals from the JLA.

Don't understand why other spite threads that's are not as lob sided as this one are closed quite quickly. Yet this one has remained open for this long. 😐

h1 doesn't know what he's talking about. Thanos is a beast of a character. He eats team beaters for lunch. You could put Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Captain Marvel, and Black Adam against him at the same time, and Thanos would prevail, of that I am certain.

Believe it.

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Superman wins, with ease.

Some guys here believe Thanos defeats SBP and TOAA with prep time.

Trying to inject reason into this minds is just a waste of time.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Some guys here believe Thanos defeats SBP and TOAA with prep time.

Trying to inject reason into this minds is just a waste of time.

Thanos would stomp Prime with prep-time.

Pretty sure only one person on the forum legitimately thinks Thanos can beat TOAA.

Originally posted by rotiart
Uh..... No

F=ma
Force is the directional push or pull of an object...

Heat energy is not the same as kinetic energy, acceleration, work.... Etc.

You took apples and oranges and confused the two. :-/

If you have two objects with the same force then the underlying variable is whether their masses are the same. If not then although the force exerted may be equal, the amount of psi is not. But if two objects carry with them the same force but one has an additional attribute such as say heat.... When taken against a heat resistant material the heat would dissipate but the force would be the same.... Unless the heat resistant material also carries with it additional properties to absorb or deflect the force itself.

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There are still other factors, such as pressure. the same mass and some force with a blunt object versus a sharp object. there are things resistant to large blunt forces but not small sharp forces. (think of a Kevlar vest which can withstand a normal speed pistol round but not a knife or rifle round.)

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm aware. Allow to me to speak broadly for a second, as you do yourself.

The contradiction is something that YOU are trying to create, in using the word 'penetration' so liberally.

This was not done by me, as I did not use the term 'penetration' anywhere in any of my previous posts.

Apparently you think there is some sort of confusion between the penetration that comes from a collision that lasts for small fractions of a second (a bullet) or something that is more continuous for a longer stretch of time for the sake of heat (a lazer).

There isn't.

You're not too bright, are you? Do you realize what pressure is?

Pressure is Force divided by Area.

A hammer strike produces pressure, an explosion produces pressure, a sword strike produces pressure.

EVERYTHING produces pressure.

Just as everything produces force.

Once more, the point, once again, is THAT FORCE IS F*CKING FORCE.

There's no such thing as an energy force vs a physical force. Newtons are Newtons. That's it.

Wonderful. Just as every physical strike is both concussive and heat producing as well, since obviously friction is involved.

The point --->

your head--->

Science says force is force. a newton from a flick of a finger is no different from a newton from a laser pen.

And now you are trying to use comics to support your own case? What? When the vast majority of time that is what you are disregarding to prove a point from a scientific stand point? What you're saying is far too broad to gel together anyway, because you know, its comics.

If Thanos tanks an optic blast from Cyclops (which we know is mainly concussive as per the comics), but feels a hammer strike from Thor (which we know is mainly concussive as well), then the only conclusion to come to is that Thor is producing more force and/or pressure from his hammer strike than Cyclops is from his optic blast. Not that Thanos' 'energy durability' is somehow higher than his 'physical durability'. That's a false distinction, as, once again, force is force.

Your understanding or pressure is laughable pressure varies with the same amount of force depending on the size of the object exerting the force. material resistance is usually defined by PRESSURE and not FORCE. how much force concentrated over how much area can an object take is the true measure of strength

Originally posted by biensalsa
Some guys here believe Thanos defeats SBP and TOAA with prep time.

Trying to inject reason into this minds is just a waste of time.

Thanos doesnt need prep to beat Prime for the majority.