Originally posted by Desaad
He had more physical and energy powers. His versatility seemed to be limited.You'll notice, no show of mental or matter manipulation, no "mind sync time warp" stuff, nothing.
He trapped Thor in an energy / matter matrix, and healed an alien who was slashed up, and tapped one alien's powers and gave it to another, telepathically crippled the beyonder using only his own mind powers, all post resurrection.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Guess what? Marvel hyperspace travel from a Herald > Star Trek hyperspace travel by a humongous technological space boat.
I think the argument is more that we don't have any indication that he is moving faster than/as fast as light in that instance, because nothing has ever been established about this in Marvel cannon.
So using a typical sci-fi example as cannon would seem to be a fine choice as well to help explain.
If you have something more relevant from Marvel, I'd be all ears.
Originally posted by Desaad
Again, he hasn't displayed ANY sort of telepathic offense since his ressurection, and specifically needed Moondragon to get into Annihilus' mind in the recent Annihilation mini.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/Thanos10i.jpg
He communicates with her and hurts her, the Maker (Beyonder), obviously intending to hurt her "You Bring Pain"/"I reply in kind". Not large scale or anything, but its an example.
He has never shown the ability to read thoughts as I recall, which is what he wanted Moondragon's help with, but he has other mind powers.
Originally posted by Kutulu
He trapped Thor in an energy / matter matrix,
If you're talking about in Blood and Thunder, he did that with technology.
If you're talking about the Jurgens run, that was a clone.
and healed an alien who was slashed up, and tapped one alien's powers and gave it to another,
Celestial Quest = Clone.
telepathically crippled the beyonder using only his own mind powers, all post resurrection.
I recently re-read the Beyonder arc to get a better feel. Look closely and you'll see what he does is bore a hole through her head with his "heat vision" and give her a lobotomy.
The doing the whammy on her head was in his refusal to answer her question, which made her despondent and unstable.
Remember, the same writer made it very clear that he has no telepathic abilities in Annihilation.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
How will Thanos know - if Superman flies somewhere in space, unable for Thanos to see him - when Superman will use his heat vision ?I asked the same question a while ago, but nobody answered, so I'll give the answer : he can't.
Thanos isn't a human, he is an Eternal that is several thousand years old and has much more expanded senses than humans possess. He has cosmic awareness and is able to perceive things that move faster than light. If Superman flies he is going to follow where Superman flies to, if it suits him he will teleport direct to Superman and engage in combat.
Originally posted by Wally West
Would this not be telepathic offense:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/Thanos10i.jpg
He communicates with her and hurts her, the Maker (Beyonder), obviously intending to hurt her "You Bring Pain"/"I reply in kind". Not large scale or anything, but its an example.
He has never shown the ability to read thoughts as I recall, which is what he wanted Moondragon's help with, but he has other mind powers.
Thats a fair example, but one telepathic communication doesn't really cut it for me, even if it is a forceful one. Not enought to show me that he's going to do this for Superman, or that he has the ability on any sort of a regular basis.
Originally posted by Wally West
Superman couldn't possiby beat Thanos so fast (as in, knock him out or kill him) before he could activate some sort of field.
I don't think Superman could be Thanos either. I don't think Thanos needs the forcefield anyway.
He's stronger, more durable, and has better ranged attacks. He far outclasses Superman.
But at the same time, I don't think Thanos is going to be attacking his mind, or manipulating his matter or any other stuff like that. Its going to be a straight blast/hitting battle, and THanos is going to win. Superman might make it take a while with his speed, but Thanos isn't going down.
Originally posted by DesaadI didn't say it would beat Superman but his intention was clearly to hurt her in some way using his mind and he did it. You said he doesn't have ANY telepathic offense, doesn't that example show he does (even if limited). You can't disregard an example because hes only done it once.
Thats a fair example, but one telepathic communication doesn't really cut it for me, even if it is a forceful one. Not enought to show me that he's going to do this for Superman, or that he has the ability on any sort of a regular basis.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Thanos isn't a human, he is an Eternal that is several thousand years old and has much more expanded senses than humans possess. He has cosmic awareness and is able to perceive things that move faster than light. If Superman flies he is going to follow where Superman flies to, if it suits him he will teleport direct to Superman and engage in combat.
Bottom line is : Thanos may have special senses, but he ain't gonna know where Superman is hiding just by... by what exactly ? Thinking ? Concentrating ? Feeling ? Spider sense ? Super vision ?
Surfer also has cosmic awareness. He gets surprised every day of the week.
You assume too much. I only go by feats. If he hasn't done it, he can't do it. It's complicated enough as it is.
You give him powers he doesn't have.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
How will Thanos know - if Superman flies somewhere in space, unable for Thanos to see him - when Superman will use his heat vision ?I asked the same question a while ago, but nobody answered, so I'll give the answer : he can't.
Of course he can hide behind his shields, and no, heat vision won't beat Thanos, but again, how will he know when Superman is about to attack ? Superman can wait all day. Is Thanos meanwhile gonna read the Titan Bugle behind his cosy force fields and wait for the attack ? Or will he actually do something ? And what will he do ?
Well, here's the thought process:
Thanos: "Hmm. The Kryptonian seems to have retreated. It's best that I stay prepared."
Then, Thanos puts his shields up, and keeps an eye out.
Thanos: *Heat vision hits shield* "Ah, there he is."
He then follows the source and blasts him, entraps him, etc.
Originally posted by Wally West
I didn't say it would beat Superman but his intention was clearly to hurt her in some way using his mind and he did it. You said he doesn't have ANY telepathic offense, doesn't that example show he does (even if limited). You can't disregard an example because hes only done it once.
I think I can ignore it as an aberation, and not something he is likely to do ever again, especially since it didn't have any real effect AND the Beyonder was so thoroughly weak to telepathy (You'll recall, Oracle - a low level telepath by any stretch of the imagination - totally shut her down) AND we have later and previous evidence that says that he has no telepathic abilities?
Its like...Superman has Torquasm-Vo. Should we be bringing that into the equation, even though he's used it something like 3 times in all of his appearances, and its been totally forgotten about?
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Well, here's the thought process:Thanos: "Hmm. The Kryptonian seems to have retreated. It's best that I stay prepared."
Then, Thanos puts his shields up, and keeps an eye out.
Thanos: *Heat vision hits shield* "Ah, there he is."
He then follows the source and blasts him, entraps him, etc.
I like that. Thanos following a faster than light speed source, I'd like to see that. I really do.
Originally posted by DesaadAnnihilation didn't say he had no telepathic abilities, it said he couldn't read minds, which he has never been shown to do. That doesn't mean he has no telepathic powers whatsoever because going by the Beyonder case, he clearly has. What about when he brainwashed the Fallen One, is that matter manipulation or a mind power?
I think I can ignore it as an aberation, and not something he is likely to do ever again, especially since it didn't have any real effect AND the Beyonder was so thoroughly weak to telepathy (You'll recall, Oracle - a low level telepath by any stretch of the imagination - totally shut her down) AND we have later and previous evidence that says that he has no telepathic abilities?Its like...Superman has Torquasm-Vo. Should we be bringing that into the equation, even though he's used it something like 3 times in all of his appearances, and its been totally forgotten about?
And I wouldn't compare him to Superman as Superman has MANY more appearances than Thanos and its easier to see what is a one-off and what might not be used again. The Beyonder mind attack happened quite close appearance wise to Thanos' death, so its hard to tell if he would use it again. He could have gained the power after The End and before his solo series, as he seemed more powerful in that run.
Edit: Doesn't Annihilation establish Moondragon's mind powers DON'T work on Thanos unless he allows her access to his mind? Surely someone with NO telepathic abilities at all couldn't block out such a powerful telepath at such close range.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
He "follows the source."I like that. Thanos following a faster than light speed source, I'd like to see that. I really do.
Considering he can keep up with Surfer, Fallen One, Etc, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility.
Are you gonna stop being ignorant? We came to that ages ago.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Don't forget to exaggerate once in a while.Bottom line is : Thanos may have special senses, but he ain't gonna know where Superman is hiding just by... by what exactly ? Thinking ? Concentrating ? Feeling ? Spider sense ? Super vision ?
You assume too much. I only go by feats. If he hasn't done it, he can't do it. It's complicated enough as it is.
You give him powers he doesn't have.
You ignore scans that show exactly what someone is talking about, so what's the point of feats? Thanos has already fought people that can fly and that can shoot blasts from a distance, he clearly knew where they were and when they were attacking him.
Thanos has been gauged to be between 10,000 and 24,000 years old, that is not an exaggeration, and neither is it an exaggeration that Eternals have far greater senses than that of humans. If you don't believe me, try reading any of the Eternals series of comics to check out what baseline non-mutant Eternals are capable of. You cannot kill an Eternal just by blasting it with heat vision, sorry, heat vision will do nothing, nada, zip, zilch to Thanos.
Furthermore this is an arena match; not some fight in a huge maze where Superman can run and hide. If you look at the first post it says the following:
Supes(no sundipping)
No BFR
No PIS
What that means is that it will be a fight, not Superman blasting Thanos with heat vision and running off and hiding for 2 hours, so that he can come in with a surprise attack. The arena doesn't work that way and comics aren't written that way, so quit grasping at straws. Thanos can teleport with and without technology, he typically uses his suit because it's easier for him, not because he can't do it. His suit is standard battle gear, so his full set of technological gadgets come along for this fight, that is also standard practice for arena battles.
What is all this talk about Supes flying into space to shoot? See because if that happened, Thanos would do nothing more than smile. Why you ask? Because at that point Supes has left the field of combat deliberately. Take a look...
Leaving the field
Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.
So if Supes goes into space, he loses. 🙂
