The Phoenix Force vs. Eternity

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Dont try it chump. Id never heard of you until Mr Master got stomped in a Phoenix debate a few months back

Again you lie. When did he get stomp? Always the fibber huh kid? Your so called stomping are as much garbage as your so called theories about Phoenix creating the MU, surpassing the Living Tribunal and the IG.

As for hearding me, of course you haven't heard of this name. I've still been here longer and before your lying arse arrived. Back when Alpha Centauri, Wyndar, LeAtHerRFace, Never, Linkalicious, and moshtitan were active members. Back then a half of the stuff involved Star Wars characters against comic books. Don't start child, YOUR THE NEW COMER.

Originally posted by starlock
Mr Master- what a joke hehe,the fact that galactic storm even entertains him is one in G.S's favorall he does is re-post re-scan the same thing,its ok for him to quote bio's when it suits him,but not for anyone else
he post scans and tries to put the scans in his favor,he even breaks the rules for himself hehe,he will post from company crossover to put down people,but if someone else uses a company crossover it is not ok
when he is up against the wall and is wrong about somthing he dissapears untill you have gone off the boardswhen you try and prove a point he will change the argument to another topic and ignore the points he lost onthats is off the top of my head imagine if i had time and was not at workit is a shame becuase now when i go through the post i just scroll past all his crap and he probably has good points but who cares when he just keeps re-posting the same thing(that might be a helpfull hint Mr Master why not just post it and let people absorb it rather than ram it down our thoats over and over,one person disagrees and you just re-post re-post it is childish),also i dont see G.S insulting everybody who disagrees with him like MR Master

Dude either say something, or stop being a hater.

Originally posted by Mordum
Mr master if you accept that the white hot room is the heart of the phoneix then must also accept that it is the core of creation. The part of the scan you left out from the same page.

Is it?

This "Core of Creation" got taken over like a joke!

Jamie Braddock Warped the White Hot Room ("Heart of the Phoenix/Core of Creation"😉 like child's play.

This is the WHR

Jamie teleported Rachel and Betsy to the Room, then after a short while he begins to Morph the White Hot Room

He appears flying by an image of Captain Britain

Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR ("Heart of the Phoenix"😉

Jamie Warps it into a Crystal like object.

pointandlaugh White Hot Room

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All your points regarding the Phoenix What If where you fabricate Jean got destroyed by the Phoenix in that What If and where you illustrate your ignorance for the character by claiming the Phoenix Force cant be used as an opponent have been previously dealt with here

What gibberish is this?

That link you provided is all garbage, I say that with love.

What's the matter buddy, is this what it is now...?

"in Jean Grey's moment of anguish, the Phoenix Force power ENGULFS Her"

"and it continues to spread and grow until it ENGULFS the entire City"

Mary Duffy is using the same word to describe what happened to Jean and the City, and the SAME thing DID happen, they were BOTH ENGULFED.

SO everyone can see, it's what the scan says clearly...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Address the points dont run off into another threads to repost your rubbish.

Your forgiven.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Silly boy.

Smegma.

Look it up, it's a bit more creative than calling me "Silly boy."

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Had Phoenix not closed his wound then Eternity would have died and as Eternity claimed, only the power of Phoenix was up to the task.

It's true, this Eternity said he was dying from a malignant cancer, but Phoenix only burned the cancer away,

"reveal the TUMOR"

"so that by the power of Phoenix, it may be CAUTERIZED."

Please don't try and change the meaning of CAUTERIZED.

CAUTERIZED: burn the skin or flesh of (a wound) with a heated instrument, to stop bleeding or prevent the wound from becoming infected.

Phoenix did NOT heal Eternity.

Eternity STILL had a HOLE straight through him,

"by passing through the 'Scar of Eternity' .. the STILL-HEALING Tear in the Space/Time Continuum CAUTERIZED by the Phoenix"

And they DID go right through Eternity, because of the HOLE in the Universe that was NEVER healed or repaired by Phoenix.

When they go Beyond the Scar of Universe, they exit Eternity (who IS the Universe)

and it was healing on it's own, NOT recovering like after a surgery.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that Eternity was still healing afterwards is irrelevant. Without Phoenixes power, he would have died and it was only through Phoenixes power that he could have survived.

The FACT that he was HEALING not afterwards but from the very beginning ON HIS OWN, is completely Relevant.

Phoenix only CAUTERIZED the wound.

"the One Who Knows (Stakar and Aleta) Enters the SCAR of Eternity"

"Behold the Raw Tissue Fiber of Existence, Eternity slowly HEALS from the Wound, which were CAUTERIZED by Giraud, carrier of the Phoenix power"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you get a gaping hole blown through your body, the hospital performs surgery, closes your wound and it takes you weeks to heal, but heal you do, can you turn around and discount the importance of the hospitals role in your survival?

hysterical2

You got nerve comparing what Phoenix did to a Hospital performing Surgery, LOL!

What Phoenix did is comparable to your friend getting shot, the bullet went straight through, and now you need to burn the wounded flesh with a heated metal object,
like a knife or whatever,

we all seen it many times in Westerns, Cowboys did that all that time, CAUTERIZING wounds.

That isn't Surgery.

THIS is Surgery:

"Incredible, REALITY literally REGENERATING ITSELF, Pure Creation"

"the Journey through the Scar is at an end, let's see what lies Beyond Eternity"

Eternity is performing Surgery on Himself.

So AGAIN:

Eternity STILL had his Tear/Scar in the Space/Continuum, after Phoenix did it's job.

Eternity was STILL healing, after Phoenix did it's job.

Eternity healed on his own WITHOUT Phoenix.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Again, silly boy.

Can you sing me a song? ... I promise I won't laugh behind your back like the others do.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This is a old post of mine with regards to that editors extract you posted as if it demeaned my argument about the white hot room:
Heres what tiakocom said on the matter:

This is inconsequential,

this is madness.

Your losing it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Already had the white hot room debate many months ago and you lost

Your off track,

I really wonder sometimes if you believe yourself, or your just sitting back laughing smoking a joint.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Which is why you stopped babbling about it for so long and why i dont care to revisit the issue

Like this gibberish.

I like how you pop back up, and start to make your typical false claims, not only within debates but even concerning the outcomes of said debates.

😆

Dude, your hilarious.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive noticed that when you run out of things to say, when youre beaten into a corner you revisit old issues you were previously taken down on and despite having failed to respond way back when you repost like crazy across multiple threads, these same tired arguments. Youre lame Mr Master.

sign23

Once you're on a gibberish role, nothing can stop ya.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Sock!

Your finality has become pathetic.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All of our debates on major issues end up with Mr Master stumped.

You have no character dude, you can't admit or even except defeat, for yourself.

I mean you actually take yourself serious, that's what's scary.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He takes advantage of my infrequent postings here and in my many absences swamps the forum with his old defeated posts which he probably has saved on MS Word.

sleep1

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He got taken down on the M'kraan crystal issue.

Are you upset, I brought to light the FACT that without ALL the X-Men, Jean would have NEVER been able to Repair the Lattice that contains N-Galaxy?

Jean actually tried to fix it alone, LOL.

Here Phoenix Tries to FIX the Lattice Alone

"But it's NOWHERE NEAR good enough"

and Phoenix does NOT "contain" the power of the N-Galaxy that does the destroying.

"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"....she was only able to knit the interlocking Stasis Fields back together BEFORE the N-Galaxy broke free.

Phoenix even says, their "ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"

Because if it passes the Point of No Return:

If the LATTICE were to breakdown, the Neutron Galaxy will Suck in the Universe and Phoenix

Continues in the next post...

Continues...

The Neutron Galaxy is the Force that destroys a Universe

HELD in Check by a Series of Interlocking Stasis Fields

"Phoenix flew into the Energy Matrix And, with the X-MEN'S HELP, knitted the Fields back together again"

But BEFORE that, when she tried to be a hero:

Phoenix was getting ABSORBED by the N-Galaxy

With the Life-Force of ALL the X-Men she Anchors herself to Reality, to avoid being ABSORBED

"the Patterns of her life of the X-Men's LIVES, BECOME ONE with the Lattice"

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

"AND THEN SUDDENLY", The SPIRITS of the X-MEN are WITH HER, GIVING of THEMSELVES AS STORM and CORSAIR GAVE"

ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.

"The POWER of Her Friends Sing WITHIN Her, as she reenergizes the Lattice"

"XAVIER its CROWN and COLOSSUS its BASE"

"EACH X-MAN HAS a PLACE, EACH a purpose Greater than himself or herself"

SO ACCORDING to ISSUE itself, Straight from the WRITER'S Mouth.

XAVIER, COLOSSUS, WOLVERINE, KORSAIR, BANSHEE, CYCLOPS, STORM, and NIGHTCRAWLER, ALL GAVE their LIFE-FORCE to HELP Jean Knit the Lattice Back Together.

After the job is done, Even with the HELP of ALL the X-Men, Phoenix FALLS UNCONSCIOUS from Exhaustion

Nice try, on giving Phoenix all the credit...

Still up to your same old tricks silly gs... lol...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He got punked something fierce on the WHR topic.

Yea, whatever,

Everyone saw the facts, and you have always been wrong about what really happened between Jean and that visualization of a universe she had in her hands.

[QUOTE=8032407]Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B] However my appearances here arent regular enough to reinforce this defeat. So when im away, he reposts on all of these issues. When im here debating with him and the going gets tough he copys and pastes his old arguments from Word in an effort to spam me into defeat. I am right, therefore i will never give up. Anyone who actually takes the time out to analyse and critique the arguments presented and actually do some research into the cases THEMSELVES (as opposed to just swallowing what your forum friend gives you 😖hifty: ) will clearly see that.

stfu2

Anyone else smell that?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is so very sad to see people resort to sock accounts in an effort to make their side seem more popular. Notice how the majority of people that pop in JUST to say GS sucks Mr Masters case is great, have never been seen or heard from prior to that post and when the topic dies down are never seen again until conveniently a wannabe master is involved in a Phoenix debate

Wow,

are you so self-absorbed that you think anyone who disagrees with you and agrees with another has to be an account sock?

You've reached a new low.

For those of you who don't understand where this guy is going, he is saying that I made extra account names to support myself during debates, like guy222, simply because he thought I won the debate.

Can you believe this phony?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He got spanked on the Feron issue.

Of course, lick your own nuts.

This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:

It clearly says "when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged... to Create an Energy Matrix."

The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN... and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse Align BY THEMSELVES...

AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower",

a less than monumental feat... considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....

Phoenix made a duplicate of the original Tower and it simultaneously duplicated itself across the Multi-verse because of the Interface Alingment.

Bottomline: Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would Never exist.

Who got spanked my boy?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
✅
So many people have PMed me asking why i bother and how his arguments are a joke, his evidence is tailored to his twisted interpretation and all he does is repost when youre winning. The reason i carry on and the reason i will always come back, despite work commitments is that there are peeps out there just getting into comics who will actually read and believe his shit. All of his arguments are tailored around demoting Phoenix as far as he possibly can without coming across as too biased. Why? Because Phoenix is the biggest threat to his idol Beyonder.

Its pathetic isnt it? 😬

Almost as pathetic as trash talking someone over the internet.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Again you lie. When did he get stomp? Always the fibber huh kid? Your so called stomping are as much garbage as your so called theories about Phoenix creating the MU, surpassing the Living Tribunal and the IG.

My theories behind Phoenix role are not merely theories as for the most part theyre stated on panel. Ive posted many a time scans saying Phoenix is the power which spawned the cosmos, you have not presented anything within continuity that says thats not the case, you've just chosen to argue against that point because its personally undesired. Well boo hoo Mr!! 😱

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
As for hearding me, of course you haven't heard of this name. I've still been here longer and before your lying arse arrived. Back when Alpha Centauri, Wyndar, LeAtHerRFace, Never, Linkalicious, and moshtitan were active members. Back then a half of the stuff involved Star Wars characters against comic books. Don't start child, YOUR THE NEW COMER.

Or so you say. Far as i can see you registered in June of this year. A name change doesnt necessitate an account change. 😬

Regardless, you didnt register on my or arguably anyones radar until Mr Master was dealt a fierce stomping many months ago. 😂

Conveniently it was then that you chose to make your play. Something going on between you two? 😖hifty:

Stop trying to make a name for yourself and slink back into the shadows you non factor. 😂

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Almost as pathetic as trash talking someone over the internet.

Something he also does in addition. 🙂

Youre correct though, by responding im lowering myself to his level. Its just so hard not to! 😱

Originally posted by starlock
G.S i think he means me

oh its whitewhichking protector of all that is Mr Master
where am i,well i can only use my work computer so i have limited time
but feel free to go thru all my post and see where Mr Master was wrong on all acounts,then go thru all Mr master and galactic storms postings and see who is the master of insults,when anybody is insulted they most likeley will respond with a insult,but Mr Master will insult right off the bat if he does not agree with you or rather you dont agree with him,galactic storm as far as i can tell insults when he is insulted,
what i see is a one up-one has to up the other which results in repost after repost,but left alone galactic storm to me at least will move on Mr master can only wish he was galactic storm so he tries and tries and tries

Thanks for coming by kid. Your argument and knowledge of this board is as poor as your grammar and punctuation. This is the only book with a fanboy that continues to think Phoenix is surperior to other abstracts and a match for the Infinity Gauntlet. Like I said, some buffon tried this over at comicbookresources and got curbstomped to the ground.

Originally posted by LORD S

Also, it's been stated that the Phoenix Force is responsible for Galan's transformation into Galactus (as per bios, even in the 'Nova Corps Files'😉, yet I've never seen this on panel. Maybe I missed it somewhere. I don't know how many comics out there have shown the birth of Galactus, but I've only seen three versions...one in an old FF issue (in the 'Trial of Galactus' trade), one in 'Adventures of X-Men' #12, and more recently in 'Thanos' #3. Neither of them refer to the Phoenix as the cause of the Big G's transformation...even the X-Men issue does not conclusively give credit to the Phoenix...only referring to the 'sentience of the universe', which is solidly shown as Eternity in the 'Thanos' issue. So why not put the debate to rest once and for all?

Originally posted by Andy Schmidt

This is the first I've heard of the Phoenix having anything to do with Galen becoming Galactus. I wouldn't put much stock in it.

So much for Phoenix being responsible for Galactus' creation. Oh G.S. will you ever learn?

Source:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=3923552&highlight=Phoenix#post3923552

Hes only gone and done it again hasnt he? LOL

This is exactly what im talking about and its his attempt to spam me into submission, to make me give up through sheer laziness because theres no way he could beat me point for point.

All of said topics, you were defeated on and have been many a times over the months. Me not being here regularly enough to maintain the momentum that all gets forgotten about and you continually copy and paste your old arguments from MS Word all together at once.

Do you seriously expect me to retread old material when you havent countered the points which ended these debates when they were originally had? 🤨

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My theories behind Phoenix role are not merely theories as for the most part theyre stated on panel.

Nothing but theories of yours child. Just like Phoenix creating Galactus. Thanks to LORD S for asking Andy Schmidt

Originally posted by LORD S

Also, it's been stated that the Phoenix Force is responsible for Galan's transformation into Galactus (as per bios, even in the 'Nova Corps Files'😉, yet I've never seen this on panel. Maybe I missed it somewhere. I don't know how many comics out there have shown the birth of Galactus, but I've only seen three versions...one in an old FF issue (in the 'Trial of Galactus' trade), one in 'Adventures of X-Men' #12, and more recently in 'Thanos' #3. Neither of them refer to the Phoenix as the cause of the Big G's transformation...even the X-Men issue does not conclusively give credit to the Phoenix...only referring to the 'sentience of the universe', which is solidly shown as Eternity in the 'Thanos' issue. So why not put the debate to rest once and for all?

Originally posted by Andy Schmidt

This is the first I've heard of the Phoenix having anything to do with Galen becoming Galactus. I wouldn't put much stock in it.

So much for Phoenix being responsible for Galactus' creation. Oh G.S. will you ever learn?

Source:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=3923552&highlight=Phoenix#post3923552

Ive posted many a time scans saying Phoenix is the power which spawned the cosmos, you have not presented anything within continuity that says thats not the case, you've just chosen to argue against that point because its personally undesired. Well boo hoo Mr!! 😱

The same one where it remembered it's birth in the big bang? That one?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]Hes only gone and done it again hasnt he? LOL

This is exactly what im talking about and its his attempt to spam me into submission, to make me give up through sheer laziness because theres no way he could beat me point for point.

Where did those essays go? You employed spam through endless essays.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing

So much for Phoenix being responsible for Galactus' creation. Oh G.S. will you ever learn?

Source:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=3923552&highlight=Phoenix#post3923552

In light of the issue actually being featured on panel, unless a comic is subsequently released which shows Phoenix had absolutely nothing to do with Big G's creation then your argument once again flops.

He said he wasnt aware of that being the case, he never said it wasnt the case. Refer him to X-men Adventures and the Handbooks which illustrate the point. 😄

Do a google search for OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005 and please report to us all what comes back. 😉

Heres a lil excerpt from marvel.com

Galactus is also credited as consuming the home of the Luphomoids.
Due to the extensive trimming required, the entry appears to indicate that the Phoenix Force is the force that saved Galan. While the information as stated is not wrong, the conclusion it seems to guide to is not quite accurate. The original entry as written was over twice the allowed length, and had to be heavily trimmed. The intent of the sentence was lost in the trimming process. It would be more accurate to say: As the previous universe met its end, the Phoenix Force harnessed the positive emotions of everyone in the cosmos to save them from eternal damnation, enabling the sentience of the universe join with Galan and allow him to survive into the next reality.

To clarify further, nothing is said about whether the Phoenix Force petitioned the sentience of the universe or not. One might infer that, if one chose to:

* The universe was being destroyed, and all existence was falling into the hands of demonic forces.
* The Phoenix Force harnessed the positive emotions to save all existence from this fate.
* The next thing shown is Galan plunging into the fiery cauldron of the cosmos, and the sentience of the universe spoke to him.

The implications/significance are (at least) twofold. The Phoenix Force existed in a previous incarnation in the reality before the current one, and Galan would likely have fallen into the hands of the dark forces and never had the chance to become Galactus if not for the Phoenix Force.

People have argued that the statements about the Phoenix Force are from an alternate reality. That is one interpretation, certainly, but the official interpretation is that it is the reality that existed before the current multiverse.

The Phoenix Force harnessed all of the positive emotions of everyone in the universe to save all of its inhabitants from eternal damnation, enabling the sentience of the universe join with Galan of Taa and allow him to survive the destruction of the universe, and to ultimately become Galactus in that Universe. So, the implication is that the events of that series took place in the universe before the current one.

During this conflict, the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers in the palm of his hand, as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre). As the old universe is destroyed, the Tribunal releases the Brothers to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."

So, while the ADVENTURES OF THE X-MEN might not be seen as official canon under other circumstances, the book was written by Ralph Macchio, with the assistance of Mike Carlin, indicating that both Marvel and DC were involved in this explanation. Their intentions seem quite clear and there is no information to dispute this.

The M'Kraan Crystal is a nexus of realities. Destruction of the crystal destroyed the multiverse, effectively ending all realities and starting a new multiverse. The activities that occur in that issue are the very last in any reality.

The M'Kraan Crystal's destruction of the universe manifested itself as a radiation plague that moved from the Milky Way and/or Shi'ar Galaxy outward, closing in on Taa last. Since it can alter reality, it could have created this plague retroactively.

The Living Tribunal is also unique in the multiverse, so this is "the" Living Tribunal acting, not some counterpart.

The Phoenix Force dies only to be reborn again. It was re-created at the Big Bang. The Phoenix Force saved everyone in the universe from eternal damnation, which made it possible for Galan to still be around to be saved by Eternity/the sentience of the universe. Galan would not have even been remotely aware of the Phoenix Force's involvement, and the Phoenix Force likely would not have recognized Galactus as the former Galan. Plus, some 15 billion years passed, so memories may be a little rusty.

There is nothing that actually states it to be an alternate reality, and there is no evidence that suggests that there was not an Earth in the previous universe.

This information is not even new. It has a precedent in the MARVEL ENCYCLOPEDIA: FANTASTIC FOUR, and both times the information was approved by Tom Brevoort.