You can find the entire article here.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU😄ata_Corrections
It seems that FF4 2005 data book was heavily edited.
You can find the entire article here.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU😄ata_Corrections
It seems that FF4 2005 data book was heavily edited.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingSo much for Phoenix being responsible for Galactus' creation. Oh G.S. will you ever learn?
Source:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=3923552&highlight=Phoenix#post3923552
Handled. Not being aware of something and stating something is not the case are two completely different things. Given that the point is heralded at Marvel.com as the official view and as such has been depicted on panel happening (Phoenix saving the previous creation allowing Galen to bond with the cosmic egg) and stated on panel as the view characters have of the situation (Reed Richards F4 #522 Galen became Galactus when he was transformed by the energies of the Big Bang, the Phoenix Force he states) and the point is featured in the bios of Galactus and Phoenix your argument once again flops.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
The same one where it remembered it's birth in the big bang? That one?
Your claims that im a liar and im mistaken come from your outdated and inaccurate understanding of what the Phoenix is.
Forgetting about the Force of the White Hot Room for one sec, the Force at a universal is the energies of the Big Bang. It is reborn at the beginning of every cycle in that event as those very energies.
Why do you think its called the sum and substance of all that lives?
Why is it called the life force of reality?
Why do you think if the Force was stripped from reality all reality would be left a lifeless void?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Handled. Not being aware of something and stating something is not the case are two completely different things. Given that the point is heralded at Marvel.com as the official view and as such has been depicted on panel happening (Phoenix saving the previous creation allowing Galen to bond with the cosmic egg) and stated on panel as the view characters have of the situation (Reed Richards F4 #522 Galen became Galactus when he was transformed by the energies of the Big Bang, the Phoenix Force he states) and the point is featured in the bios of Galactus and Phoenix your argument once again flops.Your claims that im a liar and im mistaken come from your outdated and inaccurate understanding of what the Phoenix is.
Forgetting about the Force of the White Hot Room for one sec, the Force at a universal is the energies of the Big Bang. It is reborn at the beginning of every cycle in that event as those very energies.
Why do you think its called the sum and substance of all that lives?
Why is it called the life force of reality?
Why do you think if the Force was stripped from reality all reality would be left a lifeless void?
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Poor GS, you don't deserve the slander you get on this forum.
You are often wrong and you exaggerate things but, you are you have humour and you old foes seemed to like you even as they argued with you.
🙁
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Handled.
😆
Nothing else to do with this fantasy but laugh at this point.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not being aware of something and stating something is not the case are two completely different things.
Gibberish.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given that the point is heralded at Marvel.com as the official view
NOT On Panel, NO where on panel.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and as such has been depicted on panel happening (Phoenix saving the previous creation allowing Galen to bond with the cosmic egg)
Bullshit!
Phoenix has NEVER been depicted artistically "saving the previous creation allowing Galen to bond with the cosmic egg"
That's straight up FALSE!
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and stated on panel as the view characters have of the situation (Reed Richards F4 #522 Galen became Galactus when he was transformed by the energies of the Big Bang, the Phoenix Force he states)
Reed NEVER made a concrete opinion about what he meant to call it.
He said "the big bang, the Phoenix Force or what have you"
And still does it matter?
❌
Because if we go by this statement, you have to consider this Reed Richards FEAT:
Reed can harness the Big Bang of a Universe .. and use it as a Weapon! 😱
Will you concede then that Reed Richards can take a Big Bang, which you say is the Phoenix Force, HARNESS it, and manipulate it to his desire?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and the point is featured in the bios of Galactus and Phoenix your argument once again flops.
Whatever, never happened On Panel.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
the Force at a universal is the energies of the Big Bang. It is reborn at the beginning of every cycle in that event as those very energies.Why do you think its called the sum and substance of all that lives?
Why is it called the life force of reality?
Why do you think if the Force was stripped from reality all reality would be left a lifeless void?
And Reed Richards Harnessed that, and used it as a Weapon. 😂
Come on guy, please...
The Phoenix Force at a universal level is literally the sentient energies of the Big Bang.
Every cycle the Force is reborn into reality during the Big Bang event. It is the "LITERAL MANIFESTATION" of that event.
As such that familiar firebird you see, that avatar of the Phoenix Force is literally a flame from the Big Bang, which is the universal Phoenix Force as a whole.
The Force however dictates its rebirth under the natural scheme of things. It manifests as the Big Bang to initiate the universal cycle and it is the fire that ultimately brings reality to an end (as per the natural order)
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My theories behind Phoenix role are not merely theories as for the most part theyre stated on panel. Ive posted many a time scans saying Phoenix is the power which spawned the cosmos,
You've NEVER posted even ONE scan that shows Phoenix Creating a Universe, or Remaking a Universe, or even Destroying a Universe.
Except for that alternate reality the Phoenix Force destroyed in a "WHAT IF" issue, NOT a 616 Universe, NOT EVER a 616 Eternity/Universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Regardless, you didnt register on my or arguably anyones radar until Mr Master was dealt a fierce stomping many months ago.
bored
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Conveniently it was then that you chose to make your play. Something going on between you two?
Your just pissed cause we both gave a well deserved bottom
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Stop trying to make a name for yourself and slink back into the shadows you non factor.
You're like shooting fish in a barrel for wwk.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Do a google search for OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005 and please report to us all what comes back. 😉
Blah, read it already about a month ago from a link on Marvel Appendix.
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005The implications/significance are (at least) twofold. The Phoenix Force existed in a previous incarnation in the reality before the current one, and Galan would likely have fallen into the hands of the dark forces and never had the chance to become Galactus if not for the Phoenix Force.
Saves Galan from demonic forces. The Dweller in the Darkness.
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
The Phoenix Force harnessed all of the positive emotions of everyone in the universe to save all of its inhabitants from eternal damnation, enabling the sentience of the universe join with Galan of Taa and allow him to survive the destruction of the universe, and to ultimately become Galactus in that Universe. So, the implication is that the events of that series took place in the universe before the current one.
The Sentience of the Universe (a.k.a. Eternity) joinned with Galan. Nowhere does it say Phoenix created Galactus. Again it refers to Eternity. Neither the book nor this backs up your claim Phoenix created the Galactus.
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
During this conflict, the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers in the palm of his hand, as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre). As the old universe is destroyed, the Tribunal releases the Brothers to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."
LT holding the Brothers! LT > Phoenix
The Brothers assume their pre-destined roles architects of new realities. So who creates new universes? The Brothers! Not Phoenix. Nice try kid.
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
The Phoenix Force dies only to be reborn again. It was re-created at the Big Bang.
Phoenix WAS re-CREATED at the Big Bang. 🙄 Just as Phoenix Force noted it remembering it's birth during the big bang.
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
The Phoenix Force saved everyone in the universe from eternal damnation, which made it possible for Galan to still be around to be saved by Eternity/the sentience of the universe.
Phoenix only saves Galactus from dying. Eternity was responsible for Galactus.
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
This information is not even new. It has a precedent in the MARVEL ENCYCLOPEDIA: FANTASTIC FOUR, and both times the information was approved by Tom Brevoort.
This just further backs up evidence that Galactus was created by Eternity fusing with him. Phoenix merely saves Galan, not create Galactus.
You've still got nothing to show child.
1 The Phoenix saving the previous creation was clearly depicted on panel. The "eternal damnation" as Marvel calls it would have consumed all life. Phoenix therefore saved Galen allowing him to be directed by Eternity to the cosmic egg.
As Marvel.com says:
To clarify further, nothing is said about whether the Phoenix Force petitioned the sentience of the universe or not. One might infer that, if one chose to:* The universe was being destroyed, and all existence was falling into the hands of demonic forces.
* The Phoenix Force harnessed the positive emotions to save all existence from this fate.
* The next thing shown is Galan plunging into the fiery cauldron of the cosmos, and the sentience of the universe spoke to him.The implications/significance are (at least) twofold. The Phoenix Force existed in a previous incarnation in the reality before the current one, and Galan would likely have fallen into the hands of the dark forces and never had the chance to become Galactus if not for the Phoenix Force.
The Phoenix Force harnessed all of the positive emotions of everyone in the universe to save all of its inhabitants from eternal damnation, enabling the sentience of the universe join with Galan of Taa and allow him to survive the destruction of the universe, and to ultimately become Galactus in that Universe. So, the implication is that the events of that series took place in the universe before the current one.
2 As for your point about Reed. He never harnessed and manipulated the Force. Youre trying to make out as if he took control of it and had it do his bidding.
All he did was open up a portal into a new alternate universe which was going through its Big Bang event. He fired a bomb through this portal which caused a reaction which seeped through the dimensional rift Reed had created.
Completely different MrMaster.
This is a classic example of you seeing what you want to see. Of you presenting to the forum an entirely different story to that shown in the comics.
Originally posted by Flame On!!
Lots of evidence for and against it's all about individual writers interpretation that's why Canon is so hard to establish in comics, even using on screen evidence and examples.You are all behaving like children.
- FO!!
thats what it should come down to..but I'm afraid here its not the case, you need to be either a phoenix hater of a GS fan boy according to both camp...its still good drama though
So not only did the Force allow Galen to bond with the cosmic egg. But also what youre forgetting to acknowledge is just what the cosmic egg is. Its the early state of the Big Bang, the Big Bang which continuity states is the Phoenix.
So Phoenix enabled Galen to become Galactus in the first place, but it was also the energies of creation that derive from Phoenix that made Galactus:
See Witchy? Your long concoluted posted handled in a few lines 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Handled. Not being aware of something and stating something is not the case are two completely different things. Given that the point is heralded at Marvel.com as the official view and as such has been depicted on panel happening (Phoenix saving the previous creation allowing Galen to bond with the cosmic egg)
Eternity turned Galan into Galactus, not Phoenix. It merely saves Galan. The sentience of the universe (Eternity) created Galactus:
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
The Phoenix Force harnessed all of the positive emotions of everyone in the universe to save all of its inhabitants from eternal damnation, enabling the sentience of the universe join with Galan of Taa and allow him to survive the destruction of the universe, and to ultimately become Galactus in that Universe. So, the implication is that the events of that series took place in the universe before the current one.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
stated on panel as the view characters have of the situation (Reed Richards F4 #522 Galen became Galactus when he was transformed by the energies of the Big Bang, the Phoenix Force he states) and the point is featured in the bios of Galactus and Phoenix your argument once again flops.
The Brothers are responsible and not the PF:
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
During this conflict, the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers in the palm of his hand, as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre). As the old universe is destroyed, the Tribunal releases the Brothers to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."
Phoenix was recreated; she didn't create the new universe:
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
The Phoenix Force dies only to be reborn again. It was re-created at the Big Bang.
What are Phoenix's FEATS though?
Forget all your theories you find here and there, WHAT are Phoenix's FEATS that we should think makes her anything more than an Abstract level being?
Without the ALL the X-Men, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for Phoenix to repair the Lattice that binds the N-Galaxy, so you CAN'T use that as a Feat completely accredited to her.
As you try to with that multiversal nonsense, Phoenix NEVER contained the N-Galaxy, you have to come to grips with that, the N-Galaxy was NEVER RELEASED.
Jean even said their "ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"
When Phoenix tried to get close to the N-Galaxy, Phoenix was going to DIE.
Phoenix was getting ABSORBED by the N-Galaxy
Without ANCHORS, she CANNOT perform the Feat, end of story:
"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"
"AND THEN SUDDENLY", The SPIRITS of the X-MEN are WITH HER, GIVING of THEMSELVES AS STORM and CORSAIR GAVE"
ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.
That's ONE of her major Feats down.
Originally posted by Mr Master
What are Phoenix's FEATS though?Forget all your theories you find here and there, WHAT are Phoenix's FEATS that we should think makes her anything more than an Abstract level being?
Without the ALL the X-Men, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for Phoenix to repair the Lattice that binds the N-Galaxy, so you CAN'T use that as a Feat completely accredited to her.
As you try to with that multiversal nonsense, Phoenix NEVER contained the N-Galaxy, you have to come to grips with that, the N-Galaxy was NEVER RELEASED.
Jean even said their "ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"
When Phoenix tried to get close to the N-Galaxy, Phoenix was going to DIE.
Phoenix was getting ABSORBED by the N-Galaxy
Without ANCHORS, she CANNOT perform the Feat, end of story:
"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"
"AND THEN SUDDENLY", The SPIRITS of the X-MEN are WITH HER, GIVING of THEMSELVES AS STORM and CORSAIR GAVE"ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.
That's ONE of her major Feats down.
Mr M I know anyone who disagree wit you is either a GS follower or a fanboy or you jus insult them..but how old is the scans u jus posted? I'm jus curious
White Witch King, if you take a look at LTs latest bio, the role of the brothers was re-defined as mere guardians of reality. Take a look and report back to me with your findings 🙂
Eternity may have directed Galan into the cosmic egg after Phoenix saved Galen, but whose power is the cosmic egg? The cosmic egg is the Phoenix Force. Eternity is an abstract, the embodiment of the universe who can tap into the universes resources. All power within the universe stems from the Big Bang.
Phoenixes power transformed Galen:
Phoenix dies to be reborn again. It sacrifices itself to end the cycle so that it can reborn as the Big Bang to start everything off again
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1 The Phoenix saving the previous creation was clearly depicted on panel. The "eternal damnation" as Marvel calls it would have consumed all life. Phoenix therefore saved Galen allowing him to be directed by Eternity to the cosmic egg.
Shows nothing but Phoenix needing help from the X-Men and failing to heal the M'Krann Crystal.
Merely backs up Eternity becoming one with Galactus to form Galan. Eternity's power, not Phoenix. Two, it doesn't show Phoenix creating the new universe. Your just reaching now.
All she did was telepathic told everyone not to fear, which dimished Dweller-in-Darkness' powers since he fed on that. Big whoop. Where does it back up what your claiming? It doesn't.
Again, the brothers are responsible:
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
During this conflict, the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers in the palm of his hand, as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre). As the old universe is destroyed, the Tribunal releases the Brothers to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1 The Phoenix saving the previous creation was clearly depicted on panel. The "eternal damnation" as Marvel calls it would have consumed all life. Phoenix therefore saved Galen allowing him to be directed by Eternity to the cosmic egg.As Marvel.com says:
Who do you think you're FOOLING duke?
NOT one of those scans even mentions the Phoenix, during Galactus's history lesson.
hysterical2
What?
Did you really think you could just throw up scans and hope most debators would just overlook it and take your word for it?
LOL...
I invite anyone to look at those scans this GS just posted as PROOF that Phoenix saved/created or whatever Galactus.
ALL Phoenix did was assure every being in the Universe through Universal Telepathy hope and exceptance of what was coming, so that Dweller would lose.
The Galan part is almost senselessly monkey wrenched into this story, cause it has NOTHING to do with Phoenix saving/incubating/creating/or even being mentioned in the same sentence.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
2 As for your point about Reed. He never harnessed and manipulated the Force. Youre trying to make out as if he took control of it and had it do his bidding.All he did was open up a portal into a new alternate universe which was going through its Big Bang event. He fired a bomb through this portal which caused a reaction which seeped through the dimensional rift Reed had created.
Completely different MrMaster.
This is a classic example of you seeing what you want to see. Of you presenting to the forum an entirely different story to that shown in the comics.
Wrong.
Reed clearly said,
"We're going to FIRE the BIG BANG from a baby Universe through the gate at Gah Lak Tus"
That's manipulating the power of a Big Bang, period.
So Reed with prep> actual Phoenix Force
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Shows nothing but Phoenix needing help from the X-Men and failing to heal the M'Krann Crystal.Merely backs up Eternity becoming one with Galactus to form Galan. Eternity's power, not Phoenix. Two, it doesn't show Phoenix creating the new universe. Your just reaching now.
All she did was telepathic told everyone not to fear, which dimished Dweller-in-Darkness' powers since he fed on that. Big whoop. Where does it back up what your claiming? It doesn't.
Again, the brothers are responsible:
OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
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During this conflict, the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers in the palm of his hand, as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre). As the old universe is destroyed, [b] the Tribunal releases the Brothers to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."
Nope the scans show Phoenix foiling Dwellers plans which saves all life in reality, this enables Galen to make it to the Cosmic Egg.
Eternity employs the universes, resources, he is the embodiment of the universe, therefore he and all of his power stem from the Big Bang which is Phoenix.
Which is why this was said:
Eternity hails Phoenix as that which respawns him after the end of the last cycle:
Eternity and all he is stem from the Force. The Force is literally the Big Bang. The cosmic egg which Galen bonded with is the Phoenix Force and is also where Eternity was formed.
Just to reiterate, the Brothers role is re-defined since then as mere guardians.
What do you mean the scans dont show the Phoenix as creating the 616 universe. Who is using those scans with relation to that point? 😕
We're arguing over Phoenixes role in Galactus' creation, if we were arguing something different i would provide different scans. Please get with it sonny 😉
Are these two scans:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3562291
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3562292
from the same comic as the top three scans? The art is different.
