The Phoenix Force vs. Eternity

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]White Witch King, if you take a look at LTs latest bio, the role of the brothers was re-defined as mere guardians of reality. Take a look and report back to me with your findings 🙂

Now it's not okay to use the OHUTMU? I've also read Phoenix's bio and nowhere does it say she is responsible for the universe's creation.

Eternity may have directed Galan into the cosmic egg after Phoenix saved Galen, but whose power is the cosmic egg? The cosmic egg is the Phoenix Force.

That's the biggest bull ever. Are you trying to pass Phoenix off as the sentience of the universe?

Eternity is an abstract, the embodiment of the universe who can tap into the universes resources. All power within the universe stems from the Big Bang.

You keep saying that as if Phoenix is superior in power to any of them. Now show me on panel where the Phoenix actually created the universe.

Phoenixes power transformed Galen:

Phoenix dies to be reborn again. It sacrifices itself to end the cycle so that it can reborn as the Big Bang to start everything off again

I like how you make things up. Call it what you like! LOL.

The Tribunal calls them The Brothers.

OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
During this conflict, the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers in the palm of his hand, as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre). As the old universe is destroyed, the Tribunal releases the Brothers to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3439144

What have you? That means Reed has no idea what created Galactus.

Originally posted by tiakocom
Mr M I know anyone who disagree wit you is either a GS follower or a fanboy or you jus insult them..

I don't even know you duke, yet you come out your face like we have a history.

I could care less if you follow GS to end of the road, but don't make your opening statement some comedy like your the authority on proper etiquette.

Originally posted by tiakocom
but how old is the scans u jus posted? I'm jus curious

They're as old as GS has made them by claiming Phoenix contained the Mkraan Crystal from "Multiversal" destruction.

Funny how it was Universal destruction in the Comic book, but since the N-Galaxy's influence was retconned, GS has bumped Jean's feat (which was TEAMWORK with ALL the X-Men) of repairing the Lattice from Universal to Multi-versal.

And really it shouldn't be either, cause it either way, the N-Galaxy was NEVER released.

and Phoenix does NOT "contain" the power of the N-Galaxy that does the destroying.

"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"....she was only able to knit the interlocking Stasis Fields back together

Phoenix even says, their "ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"

Originally posted by tiakocom
thats what it should come down to..but I'm afraid here its not the case, you need to be either a phoenix hater of a GS fan boy according to both camp...its still good drama though

Nah GS has never had fan boys according to the old threads I have looked at. He had someone called Cesh or Cresh or something who supported him but most people disagreed with his ideas from what i've read.

That said I don't think they used the kind of vitriol against GS these guys use, or the collectivism or ganging although hey did use many of the same points.

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- FO!!

Mr M, whatever are we going to with you? You do try, i'll give you that 😉

The scans show the universe in the process of being claimed by the Dwellers plans. Had Phoenix not foiled the Dwellers plans then Galan would have been destroyed and Galactus therefore would never have been formed.

That is the official line from Marvel. You are no authority to dispute that point.

Galan is saved allowing him to make it to Eternity who directs him to the cosmic egg, where he is transformed into Galactus. The Cosmic Egg depicted and as anyone knows anyway is the previous state of the Big Bang, which is the Phoenix Force literally. That is why this is said:

Eternity does not generate his own power. His power stems from the universe that he embodys, the universe that Phoenix spawned with its rebirth as the Big Bang.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3439144

What have you? That means Reed has no idea what created Galactus.

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Originally posted by Howard_Jones
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3439144

What have you? That means Reed has no idea what created Galactus.

Ignorance must be bliss. Reed knows nothing about the Phoenix Force.

Stop diverting attention away from the point we're debating here MrM. You have a habit of doing that when you see your argument is poor. Stick to debating one thing and when thats settled, mobve on to the next. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Stop diverting attention away from the point we're debating here MrM. You have a habit of doing that when you see your argument is poor. Stick to debating one thing and when thats settled, mobve on to the next. 🙂

GS, you are aware that Reed doesn't know who created Galactus, right?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope the scans show Phoenix foiling Dwellers plans which saves all life in reality, this enables Galen to make it to the Cosmic Egg.

Eternity employs the universes, resources, he is the embodiment of the universe, therefore he and all of his power stem from the Big Bang which is Phoenix.

Which is why this was said:

Nice try. I've yet to see Phoenix create a big bang and the other absracts. It's been stated that it remembered it's own birth during the big bang. It's nice to see you try to weasel Phoenix's power as that behind Galactus and the other abstract when there no evidence of so.

Eternity hails Phoenix as that which respawns him after the end of the last cycle:

Eternity and all he is stem from the Force. The Force is literally the Big Bang. The cosmic egg which Galen bonded with is the Phoenix Force and is also where Eternity was formed.

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Now your saying Phoenix created Galactus with no proof using a scan where Eternity revealed the life cycles as part of the abstracts plan. Even in that story, no where is it mentioned that Galactus was created by the Phoenix Force.

Just to reiterate, the Brothers role is re-defined since then as mere guardians.

Where is that? Provide me a scan boy. While your at it provide one with Phoenix Force creating the universe.

What do you mean the scans dont show the Phoenix as creating the 616 universe. Who is using those scans with relation to that point? 😕

We're arguing over Phoenixes role in Galactus' creation, if we were arguing something different i would provide different scans. Please get with it sonny 😉 [/B]

This was part of my post already. I asked you where it showed Phoenix creating Galactus? You've yet to shown.

Your scans show nothing but Galan and the Sentience of the Universe merging. Where does it show Phoenix Force?

OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
The Phoenix Force harnessed all of the positive emotions of everyone in the universe to save all of its inhabitants from eternal damnation, enabling the sentience of the universe join with Galan of Taa and allow him to survive the destruction of the universe, and to ultimately become Galactus in that Universe. So, the implication is that the events of that series took place in the universe before the current one.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3439144

What have you? That means Reed has no idea what created Galactus.

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Read it again. Reed knows what created Galactus, he marks it out as the energies of creation. He then gives two references for these energies, the Big Bang and the Phoenix Force. Him saying what have you is an invitation for the person he's talking to to choose which one they want to refer to the energies of creation as. The Big Bang or the Phoenix.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Stop diverting attention away from the point we're debating here MrM. You have a habit of doing that when you see your argument is poor. Stick to debating one thing and when thats settled, mobve on to the next. 🙂

GS you also do that. Whats mobve is it like Kaballah?

- FO!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mr M, whatever are we going to with you? You do try, i'll give you that

Child.

Your the clown of the forum, never forget that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The scans show the universe in the process of being claimed by the Dwellers plans. Had Phoenix not foiled the Dwellers plans then Galan would have been destroyed and Galactus therefore would never have been formed.
That is the official line from Marvel. You are no authority to dispute that point.

Phoenix had NOTHING to do with Galactus's ORIGIN, please, this is borderline insanity.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galan is saved allowing him to make it to Eternity who directs him to the cosmic egg, where he is transformed into Galactus. The Cosmic Egg depicted and as anyone knows anyway is the previous state of the Big Bang, which is the Phoenix Force literally. That is why this is said:

Dude, stop showing us a stupid scan of Reed speculating, and speculating INCONCLUSIVELY at that.

"or WHAT HAVE YOU!"

Stranger still is how WWK said, the Phoenix Force was born in the Big Bang, so how the heck can it be the Big Bang aswell?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity does not generate his own power. His power stems from the universe that he embodys, the universe that Phoenix spawned with its rebirth as the Big Bang.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
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Read it again.

Used to own the issue.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Reed knows what created Galactus, he marks it out as the energies of creation.

He didn't come to a conclusive answer.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He then gives two references for these energies, the Big Bang and the Phoenix Force. Him saying what have you is an invitation for the person he's talking to to choose which one they want to refer to the energies of creation as. The Big Bang or the Phoenix.

Because he doesn't know what did it. One is not a name for the other. Don't twist the scan. Saying that Reed is saying that the two are one in the same is a horrible assumption.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
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Read it again. Reed knows what created Galactus, he marks it out as the energies of creation.

Reed knows? Can you tell everyone how you came to that conclusion? You passing it off as if Reed had first hand observation of Galactus' creation.

He then gives two references for these energies, the Big Bang and the Phoenix Force. Him saying what have you is an invitation for the person he's talking to to choose which one they want to refer to the energies of creation as. The Big Bang or the Phoenix.

Wrong again! He left it ambigious. He said, "call it the big bang, Phoenix Force, or what have you." That's not concrete evidence. Still a dead end G.S.

"The Ship SNARED the PHOENIX FORM from another Dimension to be the driving source"

And this is the ON PANEL evidence of this EVENT

While the PHOENIX FORCE is in it's NATURAL STATE (Truly the MOST Powerful version, even beyond WPOTC or Jean Grey)

The SHIP, rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Universe

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

The Phoenix Force was taken in it's Natural State from within it's OWN Universe, and used like a B*TCH.

THEN, the SHIP attacks the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE, the SHIP wants to drain the energy of the FORCE

"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"

"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things, or is it's FIRE GOING OUT, the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

"TRULY, the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"

The PHOENIX manages to break free for a moment (though NEAR DEATH)

"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS, to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL, it MUST find a Host"

The SHIP allows the PHOENIX to escape for now,

"to locate it's pilot program BEFORE DRAINING IT ENTIRELY"

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Nice try. I've yet to see Phoenix create a big bang and the other absracts. It's been stated that it remembered it's own birth during the big bang. It's nice to see you try to weasel Phoenix's power as that behind Galactus and the other abstract when there no evidence of so.

What do you mean? Phoenix IS the Big Bang. The point is stated by cosmic authorities throughout continuity, its marvels offcial line that the Phoenix is reborn as the Big Bang and the point is stated by captions on panel.

The Phoenix did remember its own birth in this cycle. Why? Because the Big Bang was a rebirth, not an initial creation.

Every cycle the Phoenix rebirths itself in the Big Bang event in order to initiate the cycle. All the on panel testimonys of this being the case along with an on panel depiction of this rebirth is all that is required to establish this point.

Phoenix isnt just a part of this cycle. Phoenix PERPETUATES the cycle. She determines the rebirth and the end and as such Phoenix respawning as the Big Bang can be deemed Phoenix creating reality.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
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Now your saying Phoenix created Galactus with no proof using a scan where Eternity revealed the life cycles as part of the abstracts plan. Even in that story, no where is it mentioned that Galactus was created by the Phoenix Force.

Im saying Phoenixes actions saw Galan saved and meant that he was around to become Galactus in the first place.

Secondly im saying that the cosmic egg which Galactus bonded with was Phoenix. Im surprised the egg and bird connection havent given you a clue. The Cosmic Egg is the previous state of the Big Bang which continuity states is Phoenix. With that in mind and as actually stated on panel Galactus was transformed by Phoenixes power.

Your stubborness will get you nowhere my friend.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Where is that? Provide me a scan boy. While your at it provide one with Phoenix Force creating the universe.

This was part of my post already. I asked you where it showed Phoenix creating Galactus? You've yet to shown.

Your scans show nothing but Galan and the Sentience of the Universe merging. Where does it show Phoenix Force?

OHOTMU Data Corrections Fantastic Four 2005
The Phoenix Force harnessed all of the positive emotions of everyone in the universe to save all of its inhabitants from eternal damnation, enabling [b]the sentience of the universe join with Galan of Taa and allow him to survive the destruction of the universe, and to ultimately become Galactus in that Universe. So, the implication is that the events of that series took place in the universe before the current one. [/B]

The scans show Eternity directing Galan to the place where he himself is to be respawned in the future new reality, the cosmic egg. By continuity that is the Phoenix power. Therefore im quite correct in saying that Phoenix saving reality from eternal damnation allowed Galan the opportunity to become Galactus and im quite right in saying that the egg he gestated in with Eternity is derivative of the Phoenix Force.

A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (SIX in ALL) are sent to battle the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE (WITHOUT an AVATAR)

"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED, the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH"

AND they're STILL holding their own

Amber Hunt & Gate tear a Hole through Time & Space,

The Six heroes BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal

The PHOENIX FORCE ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years

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