The Phoenix Force vs. Eternity

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Used to own the issue.

He didn't come to a conclusive answer.

Because he doesn't know what did it. One is not a name for the other. Don't twist the scan. Saying that Reed is saying that the two are one in the same is a horrible assumption.

What do you mean one is not the name for the other? 🤨

The Phoenix Force is stated in other sources to be the Big Bang.

The Force has been depicted in other sources as the energies of creation that feeds the stars.

The Force has been stated to be the sum and substance of all life.

In the scans ive showed you the Forces avatar, the firebird is stated to literally be a flame from the Big Bang.

The Phoenix is very much the same as the Big Bang.

Reed states Galactus was made by the energies of creation. He then calls these both the Phoenix Force and the Big Bang. What have you inviting his listener to choose what they refer to those energies as.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What do you mean? Phoenix IS the Big Bang. The point is stated by cosmic authorities throughout continuity, its marvels offcial line that the Phoenix is reborn as the Big Bang and the point is stated by captions on panel.

Gibberish,

The Phoenix Force was born in the Big Bang, just all the Abstracts.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix did remember its own birth in this cycle. Why? Because the Big Bang was a rebirth, not an initial creation.

Rubbish, the comic book doesn't say that.

Why do you persist to add your own input to the text?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Every cycle the Phoenix rebirths itself in the Big Bang event in order to initiate the cycle. All the on panel testimonys of this being the case along with an on panel depiction of this rebirth is all that is required to establish this point.The scans show Eternity directing Galan to the place where he himself is to be respawned in the future new reality, the cosmic egg. By continuity that is the Phoenix power. Therefore im quite correct in saying that Phoenix saving reality from eternal damnation allowed Galan the opportunity to become Galactus and im quite right in saying that the egg he gestated in with Eternity is derivative of the Phoenix Force.

More gibberish, Phoenix NEVER had anything to do with Galactus On Panel.

Get over it.

"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"

"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things, or is it's FIRE GOING OUT, the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

"TRULY, the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"

Overrated Phoenix Force getting HANDLED.

The Actual PHOENIX FORCE (WITHOUT an AVATAR) again is manipulated

"an Ancient Crippled Alien Construct brought the PHOENIX FORCE here by WRENCHING it through the Space/Time Continuum from ITS NATIVE UNIVERSE"

Handled.

Rose Hunt with ONE blast, FLOORS the Phoenix Force

Look at how the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE leave's Amber Hunt's body

Handled.

Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey the (White Phoenix of the Crown) and exploding the PHOENIX FORCE into a Billion pieces with an Electromagnetic Pulse,

Handled.

"Phoenix AGAIN REGAINED Her FULL, GodLike Powers"

Then gets ZAPPED ONCE and DIES.

Different angle:

Handled.

Unlike other AVATARS, Rachel Summers is the DAUGHTER of Jean Grey (the White Phoenix of the Crown)

The Actual PHOENIX FORCE is controlled by Rachel Summers

This is no surprise:

The Phoenix Force tells Rachel, "ALL I have become, You ARE Too"

"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"

The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel, " You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"

NOW:

Rachel Summers (while in the 616 Universe) with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Mordred, and Mordred is in ANOTHER Universe, (Mordred has absolute control of Rachel)

Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Quasar

Quasar holding his own against Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE, AND Mordred, while protecting Nightcrawler, Meggan and Captain Britain

Rachel Summers getting KNOCKED Out by Thor with ONE blast,

Handled.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Gibberish,

The Phoenix Force was born in the Big Bang, just all the Abstracts.

Rubbish, the comic book doesn't say that.

Why do you persist to add your own input to the text?

The Phoenix handbook entry says it was reborn in the Big Bang event.

Eternity says in X-men Forever that its the natural order for the Force to resurrect reality after the previous cycle has ended.

Cosmic sources say the Phoenix perpetuates the never-ending creation cycle, meaning that it most certainly wasnt born for the first time in that scene.

The official line is that the Phoenix from X-men adventures, is the same Phoenix we know from 616. Once again you are no authority to dispute that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
More gibberish, Phoenix NEVER had anything to do with Galactus On Panel.

Get over it.

On panel Phoenix saved Galan allowing him to bond with the egg. Had she not done that, there would be no Galactus.

On panel, the cosmic egg is shown exploding into the Big Bang. The cosmic egg is just the previous state of the Big Bang which continuity states is Phoenix.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

How many times are you gonna speculate the same scan?

AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower",

Handled by some chump Mortal sorcerer in a mere Ten years of prep.

Up to your old tricks again Mr M. All of these posts which funnily enough have nothing to do with the issue we're debating here have all been previously dealt with. I am not going to revisit them.

You've been defeated on a point now youre spamming the thread with all of your old arguments that youre copying and pasting from MS Word.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Up to your old tricks again Mr M. All of these posts which funnily enough have nothing to do with the issue we're debating here have all been previously dealt with. I am not going to revisit them.

You've been defeated on a point now youre spamming the thread with all of your old arguments that youre coping and pasting from MS Word.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
How many times are you gonna speculate the same scan?

and then resort to insulting people. Put up or shut up.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
How many times are you gonna speculate the same scan?

Not speculating at all. It says what it says. By continuity the Phoenix is the Big Bang.

He says the energies of creation made Galactus and he says CALL IT the Big Bang or Phoenix Force. What have you?

He is therefore equating the Phoenix Force to the Big Bang and he is inviting his listener to choose which one they refer to the energies of creation as. Thats conclusive.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
and then resort to insulting people. Put up or shut up.

How many times is Mr M going to recruit friends to come in his threads and not debate but dismiss my ideas and hail him as great 🙂

Your analysis of the Reed scan has been put down. Come up with something new otherwise follow your own advice 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not speculating at all.

Yeah, you are.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It says what it says.

and it says maybe, and you saying that it doesn't is

survey says:

Speculation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

He says the energies of creation made Galactus and he says CALL IT the Big Bang or Phoenix Force. What have you?

Which means he knows nothing about it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He is therefore equating the Phoenix Force to the Big Bang and he is inviting his listener to choose which one they refer to the energies of creation as. Thats conclusive.

Nope. That's your twisted interpretation.

What just hit me in the head? It was soft. It was bread, or a cat, or what have you.

So, bread is cat?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How many times is Mr M going to recruit friends to come in his threads and not debate but dismiss my ideas and hail him as great 🙂

Your analysis of the Reed scan has been put down. Come up with something new otherwise follow your own advice 😱

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You go girl!!
Whoo!!

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Originally posted by Howard_Jones

Nope. That's your twisted interpretation.

What just hit me in the head? It was soft. It was bread, or a cat, or what have you.

So, bread is cat?

Competely different. He doesnt ask what transformed Galan he states it to be the energies of creation.

He doesnt say it was either the Phoenix Force or the Big Bang. After referring to those energies he says CALL it the Big Bang or the Phoenix.

He is conclusively equating the Big Bang to the Phoenix. That sentence is not ambiguous. 😄

Bottom Line:

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Besides a single "WHAT IF" alternate reality.

Originally posted by Flame On!!
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You go girl!!
Whoo!!

- FO!!

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You've missed me havent you? 😉