Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is not my opinion that Phoenix directly created Galactus. In fact if you'd bothered to read this very thread you'd see i havent said that. What i have said is that Phoenixes foiling of Dwellers plans meant that Galan made it to Eternity who in turn directed him to the cosmic egg, where he was then transformed into Galactus. Not by Eternity because the egg was where Eternity himself was formed, but by the energies of creation, the very Big Bang which continuity dictates is the Phoenix Force.Noone can deny that without Phoenixes actions in the previous reality that Galen would have died.
Noone can deny that the energies of creation, the Big Bang is Phoenix as thats continuity and as such if it is they who transformed Galen into Galactus, then Galactus was indeed formed from the Phoenix power.
On panel Phoenix giving Galan time to make it to Eternity is depicted. Im not saying she did it with that in mind, that was just one of the results.
The Cosmic egg is a previous state of the Big Bang and on panel the Egg is shown expanding out into the creation event.
Phoenix being the Big Bang is depicted on panel and stated on panel.
Here's your problem, GS...all of your so-called evidence is circumstantial, yet you sell it like it's conclusive. You twist and manipulate what you see in your mind and come up with you own interpretation. Then you take all of that and spread it like the gospel, abbreviating it down to: Phoenix created Galactus.
On-panel evidence shows that your whole point-of-view is nothing but speculation and conjecture, so why continue to spread lies? It doesn't make you look cool, or smart. You already got kicked out of CBR for spreading lies, yet you continue with this practise, with no remorse.
SHAME! 😆
LT is grouped together as one of the cosmics affected by the replacement process in issue 1 pg 19 as you've noted, but also pg 21 of issue 3 and pg 16 of issue 6 so him being affected wasnt a one off error in a single issue. It was the idea proposed in that title. So in light of that your weak argument based on your ignorance of these other showings and the inclusion of the word "access" is quite soundly laid to rest.
Actually the whole series should be totally disregarded, cause it's clear indication that certain writers (X-writers to be precise) really don't know what they're talking about when it comes to the cosmic Marvel Universe.
However while as far as the comic shows LT does indeed get replaced each cycle it is my view after many intelligent debates with the one and only Illadelph that as this process is a part of the natural order which he strives to preserve and enforce LT being affected by the process doesnt necessarily place Phoenix above him. They are all just playing out their roles.
I know that's what it shows...but as I've stated, it's an incorrect depiction of LT. Why would LT be shown along side UNIVERSAL cosmic beings? Why would LT be affected by a UNIVERSAL big bang? He would sit in his chair and watch...just like he did in 'Adventures of X-Men' #12, when the previous UNIVERSE was coming to an end, and the new, 616 universe, was being born. He sat there in his chair...I didn't see him get replaced. Why would he? Ask yourself how a MULTIVERSAL guardian would get replaced by the death and rebirth of one universe?
It doesn't make sense...and yes I know that idea was presented on panel...but there's an acronym for that: PIS.
It's a fallacy on the part of the writers to group LT with those other cosmics, because he's not their peer...but is above them. The writers showed their ignorance of LT. Which happens a lot in the X-side of things...as they've sort of appointed their own character (Roma) to play LT's role.
The same however doesnt apply for the abstracts who unlike LT are of the universe, that the Phoenix power spawns. Plus Phoenix has demonstrated on panel she wields more power than that contained in the universe by manipulating it and all its composed of down to the atomic and materialising it in her palm. That and various other feats place her above the abstracts.
Bull and shit, son. That was purely figurative...'holding the universe in the palm of her hand'...sort of like 'he's got the world in his hands'. Your problem is you take things waaaaaaaay too literally.
In conclusion, my good friend...you're wrong. Always have been. Earlier, I asked you to yield...now I'm demanding it!
You're not as smart as you think you are...we can all see right through you. All you're good for his light-hearted humour through smilies and over-use of the words 'sonny', 'friend', 'young friend', etc, and cheap, yet ultra-devious, image tricks. Ie: LT (and the abstracts) bowing down to Phoenix...you may have fooled the very intelligent Xplosive, but not the rest of us. You're a fraud, GS...you laid out your credentials, (or lack thereof), in your very first appearance on this board...arguing vehemently in favour of Storm, against Dr. Doom. rolleyes1
So take a seat, grasshopper.