The Phoenix Force vs. Eternity

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes. It clearly says that on panel.

I just do not agree that she is above LT or IG like you tried to argue previously.

So how do you feel about it being stated on panel that the IG's power derives from those very same energies? 🙂

All that aside, ive just illustrated to you why the IGs feats were lower than Jeans. You havent countered you've just said you dont agree and left it at that.

There is a difference between an MBody and the totality of a concept. The Mbody is just how the concept likes to appear within reality. It is bestowed with a portion of the concepts power, which explains the varying high and low showings from Mbodys.

Thanos with the IG beat down a few abstracts. Phoenix manipulated the actual universe of which said Mbodys are just parts of. She demonstrated a level of power beyond what we've seen from the IG and thats all there is to it. Going by on panel displays Phoenix is beyond the IG.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The IG's top feat is defeating the abstracts of the universe. Think of them as representations of the concepts within a universe. Phoenix never fought Mbodys, she never fought these representations, Phoenix manipulated like putty the TOTALITY of the universe of which these abstracts are just aspects of.

There is a difference between an MBody and the actual universe:

Here Eternity is saying if he manifested in his totality (the ACTUAL universe) then he'd fare much better against the IG

These Mbodys are not the totality of what they represent. Eternity is the universe. As such he cannot appear in full form within his full form. Therefore he uses an MBody bestowed with some of his power.

How can that humanoid black figure be the full universe on panel if its standing within the universe? 😕

Simple. Its not. Its just an aspect of the universe. How it wants to appear to deal with matters within itself.

See that glowing sphere in Jeans hand, thats the actual universe, thatsthe totality of Eternity and she manipulated it like putty.

Thanos however battered an Mbody.

OMG GalacticStorm....

Here we go again buddy 😆

Either you haven't read the entire Infinity Gauntlet Saga, OR you are only showing panels that favor your argument, while avoiding the panels that contradict your argument.

Fact:

Adam Warlock with IG toppled the representation of Eternity ? Yes? On that we agree....Eternity already claims he is not in his entirety....

Fact 2"

Living Tribunal, LT, Adam Warlock, Galactus, and the Abstracts, are NOT in the Universe, that courtroom took place in an absolute Void, which was LT's chosen domain. They were NOT inside Eternity.... They were outside the Universe.

Fact 3

Thanos with IG fought ETERNITY in his ENTIRETY, he even TOOK HIS PLACE AS EMBODYMENT OF THE UNIVERSE...Thanos defeated ETERNITY AT HIS MOST POWERFUL...not an "M-body"

Pheonix did not create a Universe from scratch ❌

You keep trying to argue this, and it says that no where. It clearly states she repaired an injured universe. That was it. That is her greatest feat you can show.

Meanwhile, take a look at the list of feats done by wielders of the IG:

-Thanos destroys have the life in the Universe
-Adam Warlock topples all the cosmics in Lt's court
-Thanos freezes the abstracts in time
-Magus manipulates two universes
-Magus stops the Ultamate Nullifier which was destroying multiple universes
-Thanos caused the Universe to merge with Negative Zone
-Thanos takes Eternity's place as embodyment of the Universe
-Thanos creates Terraxia out of nothing, straight from his imagination
-Nebula freezes the Abstracts in time as well

In the issues of Silver Surfer that follow, alternate realities of Thanos with IG are shown:

In one reality Thanos forces Mistress Death to love him, and creates the world called Necronos, which is a planet of never-ending sacrafice to Mistress Death

Since these occurances not only took place outside of the original Infinity Gauntlet saga, but also CONTRADICT the events in the original IG saga, it can only be concluded that these are alternate realities in which Thanos lived out, before choosing the mainstream reality in which he was defeated.

IG beats Pheonix in terms of feats...end of story

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So how do you feel about it being stated on panel that the IG's power derives from those very same energies? 🙂

I already explained to you I am arguing on behalf on the classic IG, I am not arguing on behalf of the retconned IG. You are arguing on behalf of retconned Pheonix...fine. She still has nothing on classic IG.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All that aside, ive just illustrated to you why the IGs feats were lower than Jeans. You havent countered you've just said you dont agree and left it at that.

No you have not. I already fully countered your point in my previous post.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There is a difference between an MBody and the totality of a concept. The Mbody is just how the concept likes to appear within reality. It is bestowed with a portion of the concepts power, which explains the varying high and low showings from Mbodys.

Adam Warlock topped and M-body of Eternity, Thanos with IG completely defeated Eternity in his entirety....even took his place. Did you read the Infinity Gauntlet saga, or do you consider it "irrelevant" 🙄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanos with the IG beat down a few abstracts. Phoenix manipulated the actual universe of which said Mbodys are just parts of. She demonstrated a level of power beyond what we've seen from the IG and thats all there is to it. Going by on panel displays Phoenix is beyond the IG.

1) Thanos with IG did much more than that, I already made a list

2) Pheonix repaired a "badly injured orphan universe". That WAS ALL SHE DID.

You keep trying to argue she created that universe, no she did not....cut the sh*t already GS, your lies are coming clear up surface !

3) IG has done far more than that, you completely ignore what myself and Mr.Master have provided for you for months.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

[b]Fact 2"

Living Tribunal, LT, Adam Warlock, Galactus, and the Abstracts, are NOT in the Universe, that courtroom took place in an absolute Void, which was LT's chosen domain. They were NOT inside Eternity.... They were outside the Universe. [/B]

Ummm they were in the dimension of manifestations and we know that that was still just an MBody because of Eternitys line about if that was not just a visualization of his totality. Read it again. Point dismissed.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]Fact 3

Thanos with IG fought ETERNITY in his ENTIRETY, he even TOOK HIS PLACE AS EMBODYMENT OF THE UNIVERSE...Thanos defeated ETERNITY AT HIS MOST POWERFUL...not an "M-body"[/B]

Thanos never fought the universe in his totality, he still fought an mbody. When Eternity appearred to fight Thanos was he or was he not still standing within the universe?

If thats the case then how can the totality of the universe, fight within the totality of the universe? 😕

MBODY!!!

Thanos became the MBody. He became the representation of the actual universe. Even if he did become the actual universe, what does that prove? It was the actual universe whose timeline Phoenix easily cut away, crippling it and it was the actual universe Phoenix had in her hand and manipulated like putty showing conclusively that she wielded more power than that contained within.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Pheonix did not create a Universe from scratch ❌

Phoenix manifested as the Big Bang which spawned the universe. Its Phoenixes power and Phoenixes actions which spawn the universe, so im sorry my friend but yes she did.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You keep trying to argue this, and it says that no where. It clearly states she repaired an injured universe. That was it. That is her greatest feat you can show.

That along with the amputation of the very substance of time, unmatched by anyone in Marvel, plus the M'kraan crystal feat are her highest feats, Feats which are beyond the IG's proven capabilities.

Beating MBodys within a universe doesnt compare to toying with the actual universe in its totality of which those Mbodys are just aspects of.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Meanwhile, take a look at the list of feats done by [b]wielders of the IG:

-Thanos destroys have the life in the Universe
-Adam Warlock topples all the cosmics in Lt's court
-Thanos freezes the abstracts in time
-Magus manipulates two universes
-Magus stops the Ultamate Nullifier which was destroying multiple universes
-Thanos caused the Universe to merge with Negative Zone
-Thanos takes Eternity's place as embodyment of the Universe
-Thanos creates Terraxia out of nothing, straight from his imagination
-Nebula freezes the Abstracts in time as well[/B]

Given that none of those listed feats matches Phoenixes best they are irrelevant to this argument.

Where did Thanos merge the universe with the Negative Zone?

Magus never manipulated two universes, he claimed he could merge the two into one and just as he attempt to he got stomped by Eternity and Infinity. Not a feat.

Creating a life form is something Sersi from the Eternals can do with matter manipulation.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
In the issues of Silver Surfer that follow, [b]alternate realities of Thanos with IG are shown:

In one reality Thanos forces Mistress Death to love him, and creates the world called Necronos, which is a planet of never-ending sacrafice to Mistress Death

Since these occurances not only took place outside of the original Infinity Gauntlet saga, but also CONTRADICT the events in the original IG saga, it can only be concluded that these are alternate realities in which Thanos lived out, before choosing the mainstream reality in which he was defeated.

IG beats Pheonix in terms of feats...end of story [/B]

Regardless, none of the feats listed match Phoenixes best, so once again as far as top displays of power go, Phoenix trumps the IG.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I already explained to you I am arguing on behalf on the [b]classic IG, I am not arguing on behalf of the retconned IG. You are arguing on behalf of retconned Pheonix...fine. She still has nothing on classic IG.
[/B]

You said you were arguing in terms of the classic IG in that one thread, you never said you were going to choose to do that throughout your membership here. We're arguing current continuity here. If you want to argue something else then make a special thread for it.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No you have not. I already fully countered your point in my previous post.

Nope. You didnt read the scans properly which lead you to make a flawed argument which i have dealt with in my last post.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Adam Warlock topped and M-body of Eternity, [b]Thanos with IG completely defeated Eternity in his entirety....even took his place. Did you read the Infinity Gauntlet saga, or do you consider it "irrelevant" 🙄[/B]

Read it and have it my friend. Still irrelevant. Thanos fought only an Mbody. Eternity fought within the universe, therefore it was not his totality. How can his full form fight within his full form? It CANT.

That scene showed the Eternity figure fighting WITHIN the universe.

MBODY? ✅

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Thanos with IG did much more than that, I already made a list

2) Pheonix repaired a "badly injured orphan universe". That [b]WAS ALL SHE DID.

You keep trying to argue she created that universe, no she did not....cut the sh*t already GS, your lies are coming clear up surface !

3) IG has done far more than that, you completely ignore what myself and Mr.Master have provided for you for months. [/B]

1) A list that didnt feature a single feat beyond Phoenixes best and so for the most part was irrelevant.

2) She did repair a wounded universe. That was the result of her actions. However whats so impressive is what she did in order to achieve that outcome. Ive already detailed that, no need to do so again 🙂

3) Not at all. Ive read what you and MM have provided, its just a shame that alot of the feats provided have been misinterpretations and when properly scrutinised it can be found that theyre not quite as grand or didnt happen in the way you thought and presented.

Ah good evening Emmie. Glad to see you've finally joined us. So you willing to finally settle this or are you gonna carry on running scared?

If you really did punk me then prove it.

I put it to you that i destroyed you on each of those points, but you then buried that under a ton of reposts. Youre favoured tactic for dealing with and hiding a spanking. 😬

Lets do this son.

Once and for all.

WHAT U GOT FOR ME?!! 😱

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Phoenix Force getting OWNED!

THEN, the SHIP attacks the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE, the SHIP wants to drain the energy of the FORCE

"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"

"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things, or is it's FIRE GOING OUT, the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

"TRULY, the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"

Again,

emmie these NUTS Pino.

hey Mr Master did you tell anyone that those scans are from a crossover?hmmmmm
one which beast states that they are not as powerfull as they are in their own universe?
another point ,was it not you who said the phoenix could do nothing without a avatar? in the crossover the phoenix boils part of the ocean i think it was 4 miles of ocean so hmmm again so misleading hehe
talk about a feat that phoenix does hmmm

in this pic it states that
"as only the PHOENIX can,she sends forth wave upon wave of ALL ENCOMPASSING LIFE AFFIRMING TELEPATHIC ENERGY"
so only the phoenix! not eternity not infinity, lord chaos or others only phoenix.,
those are some points now watch as the games are played by Mr Master

also are you kidding me all of the info points to phoenix being the big bang the creation effect,and its your perspective that on panel evidence be needed and for other members also fine but he shows us reed saying it and now all of you say reed blah blah blah ,but i will stick with G.S on this the rules only say in continuity and i will say it is continuity

ok so i have shown a feat ONLY the phoenix did and can not be done by anyone else,
i have shown how misleading Mr Master is on two points
and i have to leave hmmmm guess who will spam the thread when i am gone
also if a avatar of the phoenix(giraud) did not heal her only cauterized the wound,does that make it more powerfull?it has eternity showing pain and leaving a scar so the phoenix can hurt eternity?what would happen and a avatar at that(a normal human one if i am correct)
and it clearly states eternity would have died if not for the phoenix,so come on guys with this other crap,eternity would have died period

Originally posted by starlock
hey Mr Master did you tell anyone that those scans are from a crossover?hmmmmm
one which beast states that they are not as powerfull as they are in their own universe?
another point ,was it not you who said the phoenix could do nothing without a avatar? in the crossover the phoenix boils part of the ocean i think it was 4 miles of ocean so hmmm again so misleading hehe
talk about a feat that phoenix does hmmm
\"as only the PHOENIX can,she sends forth wave upon wave of ALL ENCOMPASSING LIFE AFFIRMING TELEPATHIC ENERGY"
so only the phoenix! not eternity not infinity, lord chaos or others only phoenix.,
those are some points now watch as the games are played by Mr Master

also are you kidding me all of the info points to phoenix being the big bang the creation effect,and its your perspective that on panel evidence be needed and for other members also fine but he shows us reed saying it and now all of you say reed blah blah blah ,but i will stick with G.S on this the rules only say in continuity and i will say it is continuity

Dude, I hope your one of GS's SOCK ACCOUNTS, because if your real,

I'm glad your not on my side.

Emmies back. U ready to do battle? 😖hifty:

WHAT U GOT FOR ME?!! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Emmies back. U ready to do battle?

WHAT U GOT FOR ME?!!

emmie these NUTS Pino.

Originally posted by Mr Master
emmie these NUTS Pino.

Again, should i take that as concession? 🙂

Despite numerous people saying they think it would be a very good idea, youre refusing to commit to this and youre not even debating on topic anymore, youre reposting old unrelated scans and posts and swamping the thread with them.

Why? 😕

Because youre stumped on a point and youre trying to hide that fact.

Whenever youre ready to step up and meet the challenge ive set then i'll be here waiting.

Until then please continue to run around here splurting your shit you BIG JOKE jester 😆

You present that same argument and have yet to show us Phoenix Creating a Universe On Panel.

Instead of Talk, Talk and more hyperbolic TALK!

How about Phoenix Remaking a Universe On Panel?

I didn't think so.

How about Phoenix Destroying a Universe On Panel?

ohh, that's right, you'll go running for that WHAT IF issue in which the Force destroyed that alternate reality,

a feat is a feat, but I knows you WISH it had been a more credible Title, than a WHAT IF.

If only it had been a Quasar book, or Warlock, or even an X-Men and many many others, but NO,

it had to be a WHAT IF, ey Pino.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Again, should i take that as concession?

Despite numerous people saying they think it would be a very good idea, youre refusing to commit to this and youre not even debating on topic anymore, youre reposting old unrelated scans and posts and swamping the thread with them.

Why?

Because youre stumped on a point and youre trying to hide that fact.

Whenever youre ready to step up and meet the challenge ive set then i'll be here waiting.

The challenge?

😂

I said this recently in a PM to someone and thought it relevant:

a on panel depiction of Phoenix destroying a universe wasnt really necessary for anyone to be satisfied that she could do it. Just look at the feats. If i had tk and i broke down a mountain to its atoms and then relocated those atoms to another location and put back the mountain together intact there, could anyone really doubt that id wanted to that i could just destroy that mountain?

Well thats what Phoenix did with the universe. See now why i thought the need to see such on panel destruction was a weak argument?

In light of what Phoenix did with the 616 universe,

In light of the fact that Phoenix by canon is the Big Bang which spawns the universe

Your arguments pertaining to Phoenix not having been responsible for the birth of the marvel universe and your argument about Phoenix not being capable of destroying a universe are incredibly weak.

Again. Continue to run around scared u JOKE jester 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
The challenge?

😂

✅

Not a challenge? Well come and prove it instead of running around mouthing off. Or hiding my my victorys under a barrage of irrelevant reposts.

We both know how its gonna turn out if you agree to such a challenge.

The game is up. 😱

Disagree? 😕

then WHAT U GOT FOR ME?!!!! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I said this recently in a PM to someone and thought it relevant:

In light of what Phoenix did with the 616 universe,

In light of the fact that Phoenix by canon is the Big Bang which spawns the universe

Your arguments pertaining to Phoenix not having been responsible for the birth of the marvel universe and your argument about Phoenix not being capable of destroying a universe are incredibly weak.

That's all you can do, is tap dance around the FACT.

Phoenix has NEVER Created, Remade or Destroyed a Universe!

The Phoenix Force (which destroyed Jean) destroyed a universe in a WHAT IF issue, but some wouldn't count that cause they don't take WHAT IF's too seriously.

Your a delusional clown duke, on the reals.

You need meds or something.

You get bottom all the time, it's a endless ASS whipping I deliver to you.

You've become an amusement to pass the time rather than a debator.

You yip yap your way around everything, and your completely smothered in your narcissistic attitude, fascist tone and senseless perception of ones self.

Bottomline:

You existence, is ... your punishment.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's all you can do, is tap dance around the FACT.

Phoenix has NEVER Created, Remade or Destroyed a Universe!

My previous post handled this quite sufficiently.

Phoenix is the Big Bang that made 616. That is continuity. If according to captions and character testimonys Phoenix perpetuates this cycle, Phoenix determines when its rebirth happens then Phoenix creating the 616 universe cannot be disputed.

Phoenixes telekinetic manipulation of the matter of the entire universe lays to rest your weak as hell argument about Phoenix not destroying a universe on panel.

Your arguments are lame as hell.

Everyone can see that quite clearly now. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
You get bottom all the time, it's a endless ASS whipping I deliver to you.

You've become an amusement to pass the time rather than a debator.

You yip yap your way around everything, and your completely smothered in your narcissistic attitude, fascist tone and senseless perception of ones self.

Bottomline:

You existence, is ... your punishment.

So youre not gonna settle this once and for all then, is that what youre saying? 😕

You gonna continue running talking trash, despite the fact that you've been given the chance to prove yourself? 😬

BIG JOKE!! 😂