Sith'ari Speculation

Why yes. 🙂

Why, no, they aren't. 🙄

Loving the hypocrisy

You love hypocrisy? Perhaps that is the deluded mentality that strove you to become a hypocrite.

I don't dismiss them, I just work around them.

Yeah! Yeah, right, exactly! Of course! Just like you "worked around" Freedon Nadd being the Chosen One, right?

(excerpt taken from "The Woes of Planet: KMC's Jackass Extraordinaire"😉

Planet: "Freidonn Naad is teh Chosen On!1111!!!!!"

Gideon: "No, Planet, he's not."

Planet: "Prove it! Waaa! Prove it! Waa! Before I go cry! Waa!"

Gideon: "Okay... Lucas specifically confirms it on the RotS special feature (located on the DVD) called "The Chosen One" (curious, isn't it?)."

Planet: "No! I do not believe you!"

Gideon: "Erm... okay."

Planet: "You have failed 2 profide prove!111!!!!"

Gideon: "WTF... I just said what the quote was, the source, and specifically where on the DVD..."

Planet: "That's not enuff!!! Haahahaah you havent proved nuthin!!!!11111!"

Rex: "Planet, you're pretty much a dumbass. George Lucas said so. Your opinion means jack shit. So go play with some barbies."

Yeah. Work around them. Sure....

You miss my point. My point was that the system alone didn't ensure that the apprentice killed the master only when they became more powerful. Sidious' example was an example of how that is so.

Again: Sidious may have been more powerful than his master at the time. But you don't seem to understand that.

I disagree. This is SW, so naturally logic doesn't always apply, but the fact that the order survived for so long with so few actual sith lords is very unrealistic.

"This is SW. Logic doesn't always apply."

Yeah, remember this the next time you use your so-called "logical deduction."

Does it have to have been shown to make sense for you Gideon?

It has to be "shown" in order for me to believe it, for the most part. That said...

[PLANET] PROVE IT! WAAA! PROVE IT! [/PLANET]

This is nice and all, but irrelevant.

That one went right over your little head didn't it, little fella? Aww! You look so adorable trying to play the big bad debater.

'Cause if you paid attention, you'd have realized that it is highly relevent. But I understand. Not having an adequete logical defense, you proclaim "irrelevent!" to bits of information you don't like.

Not all sith are craving of knowledge like Sidious.

Yeah... okay. Can you give me a list of Sith Lords who don't seek information? Perhaps not on Sidious's galactic -kill-everybody-and-conquer-the-galaxy-wide level of thirst, but all Sith seem to want power and knowledge.

A Darth Maul like apprentice likely wouldn't care.

Maul was rare, he had zero ambition. Make me a list of apprentices, like Maul, who had absolutely no desire to overthrow their master.

By RotS, specifically, which is absurd. Again, Vor'en Naal's opinion is fallible, no better than mine or your's.

Vor'en Naal is a historian. His opinion is fallible, but it is supported by the simple fact that he is a historian, and the head of a league of historians with galactic-wide resources. The mere fact that he had intimate knowledge of all Sidious's plots ought to be quite clear that he was damn good at getting accurate bits of information.

He was one dedicated SoB, I'm not disputing that.

So, you're saying Han Solo - if dedicated - could "give himself completely to the dark side"? How about no. It took power and dedication.

So it gained strength, so what? Considering how weak it already was, this is no big deal.

Strength to the point that he managed to conceal his presence from the Jedi for decades, and he was responsible for the imbalance in the Force, as well as diminishing the Jedi's ability to use the Force. Name to me some Sith who did that.

Dooku is a relative weakling.

No. Dooku "was one of the very most gifted duelists in the Jedi Order's history", and Yoda thought that he was "the most learned pupil of the Force" in his (Yoda's) time as a Jedi. That's 800 years.

Not purely in respect to combat, you can whine all you want about the guys at EoD and how double standards, but the fact is, power is ambiguous, and in the context it was written, where intelligence was listed as his greatest weapon, I'm gonna go with my interpretation.

Sexy "Whine-about-everything" Back accusing me of whining? Yeah. Again, why do you discuss things you're ignorant about? The double standards you speak of are when "power is ambiguous" only when it applies to Sidious and none other.

He was one intelligence SoB, I won't deny it, he had the mind and dedication to do that.

Power = intellect?

It didn't say "the one born with the intellect...". It said power. There's a difference. But, I guess, not having an abundance of intellect, you really wouldn't understand. 🙁

Lol!

Vader really didn't make the Sith stronger, because all he did was remove the Rule of Two restriction upon the Sith and allowed Krayt's Sith Lords to rise in power. However, that doesn't equate to the feats Bane and Revan did (well Bane did it, but Revan was the mastermind beyond all of that).

I think the Sith'ari thing is stupid. doped

Sith going light side and then sith rising to power hundreds of years after it does not sound like heroes of the sith to me.

About vader..

Well didnt he kill palpatine, the last sith lord during that time? He did make the sith stronger technically,

Sidious came back in DE far stronger than he was before..

Anyways i think Bane is, i gotta agree with what gideon and the others say

The whole Sithari legend is bs. A perfect being? No such being exists, and the rest of the prophecy is pretty open to interpretation. You do realize that the POD author wrote Kotor 1's story line and in effect created the Sithari myth?

Even in Kotor 1, Yuthura mentions that the Sithari is nothing but a myth, and is merely the metaphorical bar every Sith sets for themselves.

If ever it WAS fulfilled, it was Bane, or maybe Kaan, I really don't know. Who ever set off the Thought Bomb destroyed the Sith, (that was Kaan, wasn't it?) and who ever made them better (Bane) fulfilled the prophecy.

The Chosen One prophecy doesn't quite fit this, but it could be said that because Anakin dropped Sidious over that reactor shaft, it allowed him to come back even more powerful in the DE.

But w/e, I still think the Chosen One prophecy is a different prophecy all together.

Well i thought that in Empires End (right?) that when Palps went to Korriban, the ancients offered him the spot they made specifically for Vader, implying that Vader was it...is that not right? I'm just saying...really i couldn't care less, but it seemed viable to me.

Vader didn't really lead the sith, he was Palpatine's lackey, that's all, and the prophecy implies that the Sith'ari would lead the sith, and then destroy them, yet through their destruction, make them stronger. Vader doesn't apply.

According to Lumiya and various sources, the Sith DID die with Vader and Sidious. DE Sidious was just the same Sidious in a clone body, he didn't earn the right to be called a sith. Everyone else was a dark jedi, and the "Legacy" sith were pretenders.

I personaly go for the idea that the balance was so strong with Palpatine's temporary death that not even his return could affect it.

Fromw hat we know now, the Sith'Ari is probably Palpatine, Revan or Bane, probably Bane

Palpatine? Look Trousersnake, we can accept that you rate your man pretty highly, but there's no reason to try and pass off that he's the sith's chosen one now, because that's ridiculous, he in no way applies.

There's also no reason to slander Lightsnake for his opinion.

I how that you think this idea is lame and you are welcome to burn me for it, but the fact is that the sith, the true sith is a race thats a fact, the sith is the titled used for some one, but it has the same effekt as saying dark jedi, so perhaps we need to look beyond the 3 characters mentiont, I would look in the races one linies for a Sith'ari because when you think about it Naga Shadow also fits in

Naga Sadow didn't destroy the sith nor make them stronger.

Sith'Ari? Who made the Sith 'greater' by wiping out the Jedi and taking over the Galaxy? Palpatine. How did he achieve this? By destroying Plagueis. The theory has been around a while.

Naga Sadow is about tbhe exact opposite of the Sith'ari....an he did destroy them if you count utter tactical stupidity

there isn't mentioned in what manner the sith would be destroyed, and it wasn't palpatine that wiped out the jedi it was Darth Vader,and palpatine wasn't that kind of destroy-all-around-you-sith he was a manipulator. but another throught is Sith'ari that means lord is the same as the titel dark lord of the sith which I think it is then there isn't many how fits the desciption and that is revan and bane (perhaps exar kun)

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sith'Ari? Who made the Sith 'greater' by wiping out the Jedi and taking over the Galaxy? Palpatine. How did he achieve this? By destroying Plagueis. The theory has been around a while.

All he did was destroy the master; he, the apprentice, still lived. The prophecy also implies that The Sith'ari would lead the sith before destroying them, Palpatine was still the apprentice.