Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion vs the ROTS jedi order

Started by Darth Sexy31 pages

Of course not, lightsnake likes to make shit up to prove his fanboyism. That was the most useful post you've ever had nebaris/planet.

However, as you mentioned, even if there WAS a defense for a technique, that doesn't at ALL mean it's guaranteed. Especially something like a force drain of an enormous magnitude.

BTW, I found a name for Yoda's defence against Force Drain:

"Obi-wan is as wise as Master Yoda, and as powerful as Master Windu. The only reason Yoda is considered wiser is because he can block Force Drain with the power of Bob."
-Anakin Skywalker in unmade footage from AotC

power of bob?........i still dont think he is as strong as darth nihilus

No, you don't understand. With the power of Bob, Yoda can redirect the Force Drain at its user with twice the strength. Imagine what would happen if Yoda used the power of Bob on Nihilus.

"Power of bob?"

You got be joking...

Originally posted by General Kenobl
"Power of bob?"

You got be joking...

Yes, quite so.

oy

I'm not saying Yoda cannot kill Nihilus, I believe he could, but about all this "Yoda can do this, Yoda can somehow do this" gets to me.

When the sources say Yoda has a defense for all Dark Side techniques, it doesn't mean every Force maneuver on every imaginable scale possible.

Darth Nihilus is a wound in the Force. Because of this accursed power, his appetite makes him able to suck the life out of anything in his path. Now whether you would consider this to be any type of Force Drain is entirely up to the majority of this forum.

Now let us imagine that Nihilus’s Wound is in the category of Drains. With this settled, let us proceed to the Yoda argument. Yoda has a defense against a Force Drain, but what magnitude? You don’t know! You cannot say Yoda has a defense to Nihilus’s Ultra Death Field (Death Field is a higher magnitude of Fore Drain), because by that logic, Yoda would have a defense to Luke’s Emerald Lightning.

Therefore, it’s up to Lightsnake and his supporters to prove that Yoda can form a defense against this.

Exactly.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
I'm not saying Yoda cannot kill Nihilus, I believe he could, but about all this "Yoda can do this, Yoda can somehow do this" gets to me.

When the sources say Yoda has a defense for all Dark Side techniques, it doesn't mean every Force maneuver on every imaginable scale possible.


No. However, as a whole, it gives Yoda a chance and lets reasonable doubt at the very least enter in

Darth Nihilus is a wound in the Force. Because of this accursed power, his appetite makes him able to suck the life out of anything in his path. Now whether you would consider this to be any type of Force Drain is entirely up to the majority of this forum.

By the definition of Force Drain, this is what it is.
Most dark side nexuses are wounds in the force, as well.

Now let us imagine that Nihilus’s Wound is in the category of Drains. With this settled, let us proceed to the Yoda argument. Yoda has a defense against a Force Drain, but what magnitude? You don’t know! You cannot say Yoda has a defense to Nihilus’s Ultra Death Field (Death Field is a higher magnitude of Fore Drain), because by that logic, Yoda would have a defense to Luke’s Emerald Lightning.

Erm....Emerald lightning IS Electric Judgement....for a starter, Yoda himself is likely stronger than Nihilus, and Luke is stronger than Yoda, so that's a bit incongruous

Therefore, it’s up to Lightsnake and his supporters to prove that Yoda can form a defense against this.

There's a logical basis for it for starters, there's Yoda's own extreme power, knowledge, his being on par with someone above Nihilus, The probability the Jedi Order would have formed some extra abilities in 4000 years especially with The Exile involved in the rebuilding, the probabilities that the Jedi had Ni's holocron...

there is no way Nihilus can take an entire Jedi order. Especially if they combined with the Wall of Light

And yet again, the Jedi might have developed defenses for said techniques, but that doesn't mean they can stop them. Guy X might know a defense for Guy Y's technique, but if Guy Y is superior to him in the force, Guy X can't stop him. That's not to say Nihilus is superior, but Nihilus eats the force, consumes it, so it's not exactly a force drain and it's not something that you can stop without being a wound yourself.

That's what a force drain is. That's exactly what Nihilus uses, just to a different mean.

Traya wasn't a wound I remind you

Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's what a force drain is. That's exactly what Nihilus uses, just to a different mean.

Traya wasn't a wound I remind you

And Traya's technique was an old fashioned force drained supped up a little bit. She never used it to the extent Palpatine used it. However Palpatine's was a massive force drain, while Nihilus just ate/consumed everything.

Supped up a little bit? She drained three masters of the force completely.

Nihilus eating everything is a force Drain, just on another scale

No lightsnake, I would call Palpatine's thing a force drain on another scale. Nihilus just eats/consumes everything.

Again: That's kinda what a drain is supposed to do

WHAT ABOUT THE POWER OF BOB?
Nihilus gets crushed.

Besides, I've just made up the fact that Roan Shyrne is a wound in the Force. SO THERE! 😛

Srry, I can't resist joking around when everyone's getting so fvcking mad.
👿 🙄 😇

And is a drain suppose to shake down buildings and completely strip human of the flesh?
Why do you think kreia stated he learnt the greatest technique, which is to consume force energies from force sensitives.
A force drain drains the life out of the victim, Nihilus drains strip them from the force, Why do you think kreia got weakened after nihilus gave her a simple push?
And believe me, if such a technique can be blocked, Wouldnt the jedi on katarr use that defence? Given that they are masters i doubt they wouldnt have techniques to block a regular force drain, This force drain technique was common during JCW and dont you think the jedi would come up with a defence?

Again it took the drain to destroy katarr in a matter of minutes, the jedi and miraluka clearly had a hell long of time to put up their defences since force shield is instant and can counter a regular drain.

I say this again, just because a bulletproof vest can block bullets can it block a RPG rocket? Hell no, the vest gets shreded.

Understand? Or not? To the logical yes...

What i just said is maybe a shield blocks the normal drain, but can it block a drain of that magnitude? Where it shatters buildings and shred humans apart?

By your logic yoda > DE sidious "B3cUz H3 c@N Bl0Ck @!! D@rK$!d3 t3Chn!Qu3s!!!!!!!!!!" As you are so fond of speaking

Originally posted by Kadesh
And is a drain suppose to shake down buildings and completely strip human of the flesh?
Why do you think kreia stated he learnt the greatest technique, which is to consume force energies from force sensitives.

Once again: THIS. IS. DRAIN. It drains the life and force energies of the victim.
Btw, when you drain a planet, it tends to have averse affects on the landscape. Said bones were PROBABLY to do with the VOLCANOS

A force drain drains the life out of the victim, Nihilus drains strip them from the force, Why do you think kreia got weakened after nihilus gave her a simple push?

Oh, so his drain isn't always fatal then? And if Kreia was drained, why was she budging the saber?

And believe me, if such a technique can be blocked, Wouldnt the jedi on katarr use that defence? Given that they are masters i doubt they wouldnt have techniques to block a regular force drain, This force drain technique was common during JCW and dont you think the jedi would come up with a defence?

I doubt they had time in LESS THAN A DECADE as opposed to 4000 years

Again it took the drain to destroy katarr in a matter of minutes, the jedi and miraluka clearly had a hell long of time to put up their defences since force shield is instant and can counter a regular drain.

The Miraluka are not trained Jedi Orders of 10,000

I say this again, just because a bulletproof vest can block bullets can it block a RPG rocket? Hell no, the vest gets shreded.<

So ****ing what? In power Yoda>Nihilus. Seeing the point there?

Understand? Or not? To the logical yes...

What i just said is maybe a shield blocks the normal drain, but can it block a drain of that magnitude? Where it shatters buildings and shred humans apart?


For the last time, his drain did no such thing. What it did was cause Katarr to die and thus, things tend to happen to a world when that happens.
That's elementary science. For the last time, since Yoda>Nihilus, think maybe he can block Nihilus?

By your logic yoda > DE sidious "B3cUz H3 c@N Bl0Ck @!! D@rK$!d3 t3Chn!Qu3s!!!!!!!!!!" As you are so fond of speaking

Oh, you're so clever!
Palpatine>Yoda as of DE
Palpatine and Yoda>Nihilus, period