Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion vs the ROTS jedi order

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Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Once again: THIS. IS. DRAIN. It drains the life and force energies of the victim.
Btw, when you drain a planet, it tends to have averse affects on the landscape. Said bones were PROBABLY to do with the VOLCANOS
I love it when you make shit up, prove that it was the volcanos, it takes hours for a volcan to realease pyroclastic surges and had the volcano going to erupt the jedi would be aware long beforeit would even erupt

Originally posted by Lightsnake

Oh, so his drain isn't always fatal then? And if Kreia was drained, why was she budging the saber?
He didnt drain her, he weakened her connection with a simple push

Originally posted by Lightsnake

I doubt they had time in LESS THAN A DECADE as opposed to 4000 years
Still a shield blocks a regular drain, Not a mega drain, and the jedi at that time clearly had that ability. I ask again, name the technique yoa can use to block the drain
Originally posted by Lightsnake

The Miraluka are not trained Jedi Orders of 10,000
But they could see though the force right? They couldnt see nihilus coming
Originally posted by Lightsnake

So ****ing what? In power Yoda>Nihilus. Seeing the point there?
Over all yes yoda is superior to nihilus, i ask again, name the technique yoda can use to block this drain

Originally posted by Lightsnake

For the last time, his drain did no such thing. What it did was cause Katarr to die and thus, things tend to happen to a world when that happens.

Please elaborate and explain rather than make shit up.

Originally posted by Lightsnake

That's elementary science. For the last time, since Yoda>Nihilus, think maybe he can block Nihilus?

Not good enough, so? Human > small poisonous spider, human superior in every way, but Can the spider kill him with the venom? Yes!

Originally posted by Lightsnake

Oh, you're so clever!
Palpatine>Yoda as of DE
Palpatine and Yoda>Nihilus, period
Dont like it when i use your logic against you? I thought yoda was so uber, can blockALL dark side techniques

Mider999 Restricted

i have seen no proof that yoda is more powerful then nihilus NONE, yoda can move ships under great strain so what so can nihilus, i just have not seen anything to say yoda is greater then nihilus sorry i just havent.

Sexyback Restricted

Darth Nihilus is quite easily more powerful; he pulled his ship out of orbit and held the entire thing together through sheer will alone, he was able to dominate the minds of his entire crew, the magnitude of his drain was incredible...

What has Yoda done? Need I remind people how he struggled with lifting that crane that was falling on Anakin and Obi-Wan in AotC?

Kadesh Restricted

Actually i agree with sexyback and mider, Nihilus lifted the entire ravager which is 1.7km long, note that that is the size of an imperiel star destroyer and its far bigger than victory class SD

Ang by doing so he shows the greatest feat of TK.

Sexyback Restricted

What's really impressive is that the ship was in pieces, and Nihilus was able to hold the entire thing together through sheer willpower.

Kadesh Restricted

Who knows, if he can lift a 1.7 km ship he might even be able to use the force to crush the entire jedi temple

Lightsnake Senior Member

Oh, please, Yoda and Palpatine have lifted things far, far larger than the Ravager.

Sexyback, you're a lying idiot! Yoda has lifted up an entire cruiser and mountainside.

Lightsnake Senior Member
Originally posted by Mider999
i have seen no proof that yoda is more powerful then nihilus NONE, yoda can move ships under great strain so what so can nihilus, i just have not seen anything to say yoda is greater then nihilus sorry i just havent.

Oh, are you blind or can you just not read?
Sorry, but Palpatine>Nihilus. FACT.
Yoda>Nihilus by virtue of that.
Whoops!

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
I love it when you make shit up, prove that it was the volcanos, it takes hours for a volcan to realease pyroclastic surges and had the volcano going to erupt the jedi would be aware long beforeit would even erupt

Ok, how long was Visas on the planet? And you mean volcanos wouldn't leave corpses stripped to the bone? Ok, prove Nihilus's drain did it and not the environmental effects...
Oh, wait....


He didnt drain her, he weakened her connection with a simple push

Still a shield blocks a regular drain, Not a mega drain, and the jedi at that time clearly had that ability. I ask again, name the technique yoa can use to block the drain


For nthe last time, IT DOESN'T HAVE A NAME.

But they could see though the force right? They couldnt see nihilus coming

Um, no. Seeing through the force means nothing more than regular vision

Over all yes yoda is superior to nihilus, i ask again, name the technique yoda can use to block this drain

It doesn't have a name. What part of that don't you understand? We just know it exists by virtue of another technique


Please elaborate and explain rather than make shit up.

Look who's talking. See the world dying? That'd be because said world is dying. As such, it'd give off tremor, resulting in earthquakes, volcanos and general destruction that'd have nothing to do with Nihilus

Not good enough, so? Human > small poisonous spider, human superior in every way, but Can the spider kill him with the venom? Yes!

And what if a human has an antidote or immunity?
Btw, bad metaphor


Dont like it when i use your logic against you? I thought yoda was so uber, can block[B]ALL dark side techniques [/B]

Palpatine is much stronger than Yoda by that stage.
Nihilus is not.

Sexyback Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, please, Yoda and Palpatine have lifted things far, far larger than the Ravager.

Sexyback, you're a lying idiot! Yoda has lifted up an entire cruiser and mountainside.

Sorry, but whatever he did in the CW cartoon doesn't accurately depict his abilities.

Mider999 Restricted

he was straining when he did those things, and he didnt lift no mountainside he made an avalanch.

Lightsnake Senior Member

When he went into the temple for Ilium? He lowered he simply closed his eyes.
No straining there

Lightsnake Senior Member
Originally posted by Sexyback
Sorry, but whatever he did in the CW cartoon doesn't accurately depict his abilities.

Blah blah blah, whine whine whine

General Kenobl [:::::{============)
No. However, as a whole, it gives Yoda a chance and lets reasonable doubt at the very least enter in

Indeed, that is given.

By the definition of Force Drain, this is what it is.

Very well, I just wanted to know what the forum thought of it. And it seems that most people here concur with you that it is in fact a Drain, albeit a ultra-powerful one.

Erm....Emerald lightning IS Electric Judgement....for a starter, Yoda himself is likely stronger than Nihilus, and Luke is stronger than Yoda, so that's a bit incongruous

Your point? Yoda does have a defense for Emerald Lightning, but it doesn't mean that he can defend himself against the magnitude of Luke's Emerald Lightning, as opposed to Plo Koon's Electric Judgement. They are both different magnitudes, so while Yoda can protect himself to a certain level, one exceeds his power. The question is, can Yoda block Nihilus's Ultra Death Field?

Next, you cannot say "Yoda is likely stronger than Nihilus". You have no evidence behind this statement. I am not saying Yoda < Nihilus, I believe that Nihilus would lose to Yoda, but I don't have any proof. The reason why so many people say Nihilus is stronger than Yoda or any PT Jedi is because if he fought any of them, posters argue that if the Sith Lord unleashed a killing Death Field, the Jedi automatically dies and loses the duel. This is a cheap move, but it's a fact.

The thing is Lightsnake, many people here keeping saying Nihilus beats every other Jedi besides Luke and Sidious because of his bloody Death Field. The thing I am trying to say is that your former argument of "Yoda has a defense for all Dark Side attacks" doesn't work in the situation provided.

There's a logical basis for it for starters, there's Yoda's own extreme power, knowledge, his being on par with someone above Nihilus, The probability the Jedi Order would have formed some extra abilities in 4000 years especially with The Exile involved in the rebuilding, the probabilities that the Jedi had Ni's holocron...

there is no way Nihilus can take an entire Jedi order. Especially if they combined with the Wall of Light

Well there's some good proof for the Nihilus team to refute, if they haven't already. Again though, for people thinking that I'm against Lightsnake, I am not. I believe Yoda in his prime > Darth Nihilus, but I was just showing Lightsnake the faultiness of his previous argument.

I think I should research Yoda up and prove why he's greater than Nihilus, because that's what seems more probable.

Lightsnake Senior Member


Your point? Yoda does have a defense for Emerald Lightning, but it doesn't mean that he can defend himself against the magnitude of Luke's Emerald Lightning, as opposed to Plo Koon's Electric Judgement. They are both different magnitudes, so while Yoda can protect himself to a certain level, one exceeds his power. The question is, can Yoda block Nihilus's Ultra Death Field?

Again: Yoda is not stronger than Luke, but he is stronger than Nihilus.

Next, you cannot say "Yoda is likely stronger than Nihilus". You have no evidence behind this statement. I am not saying Yoda < Nihilus, I believe that Nihilus would lose to Yoda, but I don't have any proof. The reason why so many people say Nihilus is stronger than Yoda or any PT Jedi is because if he fought any of them, posters argue that if the Sith Lord unleashed a killing Death Field, the Jedi automatically dies and loses the duel. This is a cheap move, but it's a fact.

Again, Palpatine is declared the strongest Sith Lord in history-this is post KOTOR II as well, and Yoda is as strong, if not slightly above or below him

General Kenobl [:::::{============)
Again: Yoda is not stronger than Luke, but he is stronger than Nihilus.

That is your opinion yes for right now as you have a strong opposing side who thinks otherwise. I agree with you, but I need to prove my arguments.

Again, Palpatine is declared the strongest Sith Lord in history-this is post KOTOR II as well, and Yoda is as strong, if not slightly above or below him

Wouldn't this only apply to TPM Sidious or DE Sidious? ROTS Sidious hasn't had much training or practice in some time, so he wouldn't have been as powerful.

Mider999 Restricted

ima end up closing this thread soon i think obviously sion and nihilus win not cause i say so but the feats shown here are just more leaning to them.

General Kenobl [:::::{============)
ima end up closing this thread soon i think

You cannot close threads man. Only the Moderators can do so. As long as there is a debate and it stays on topic, the thread lives.

Lightsnake Senior Member


Wouldn't this only apply to TPM Sidious or DE Sidious? ROTS Sidious hasn't had much training or practice in some time, so he wouldn't have been as powerful. [/B]

That's honestly silly.
With a saber? Maybe not. With the Force? oh, yeah, Palpatine's kept in shape. ROTS Sidious is far more powerful than earlier incarnations

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Mider999
ima end up closing this thread soon i think obviously sion and nihilus win not cause i say so but the feats shown here are just more leaning to them.

How? Again, we've been showing how this isn't so.