Darth Revan vs. DE Sidious

Started by Sexyback7 pages

Nope, every scouting party.

Quote please?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Quote please?

This information has been gathered from various comments from black Rakatans.

Quote 1: "You have used strange magics and weapons to slaughter our raiding parties".

Quote 2: "The One came here with an army to see this temple and seize it for our cause, but we were met with strange and powerful magics which have defeated us at every turn".

The term magics is used for referring to "Force" by The One. Revan had slaughtered their army near Rakatan Temple through Force.

And there are some more associated comments but I don't remember. One such comment is that Revan attacked from Sky and slaughtered all the scouts or something like that.

This was a short battle and some sources indicated that it was major Lightning attack.

Once again....I'm not seeing any indication this's any great than Sedriss or that Revan did this single handedly, especially considering Malak was there. And btw, a Rakatan raiding party as seen in game, isn't that large.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Once again....I'm not seeing any indication this's any great than Sedriss or that Revan did this single handedly, especially considering Malak was there. And btw, a Rakatan raiding party as seen in game, isn't that large.

Fights in games are not good ways to judge the canonical aspects of the story.

Second quote clearly suggests that an entire army of rakatan warriors was slayed by Revan. Force Lightning is the most preferred attack by a powerful Sith Lord to kill large number of individuals.

And we know that powerful Lightning can spread and kill many individuals instantly.

No you are wrong too!

Lol, that's cute.

It is well established that both Revan and Sidious were master practioners of Force Lightning. So it is useless to argue upon this.

And yet you were the one who brought it up. 🙄

1. The One's scouting parties were destroyed in a very short time. It was not a long or hard battle as you try to portray.

Prove it.

2. His attack was of a large scale like that of Sidious. And Lightning can kill non-Jedi very quickly. Only Jedi and Sith can resist it for long time.

And Sidious rendered three prophets of the dark side (powerful Force users) charred skeletons in a single blast. 🙄

3. Technology is irrelevant. Sidious killed large number of troops (100 total) with his Lightning. And Revan also killed large number of Rakatans (several scouting parties) with his Lightning attack.

Again, prove it was a similar situation. Prove he did it with a single blast, and prove that he killed as many as Sidious did.

So it is useless to argue upon this as both Sidious and Revan are powerful enough to counter Lightning attacks. It does not matters.

Yup. It does.

My point stands that Revan will go down after a good fight. It will not be WTFPawn situation as some Sidious Fanboy's try to say.

Two words: Prove. It.

Originally posted by Gideon
Prove it.

Why don't you prove to me that it was a long and hard battle?

Because I haven't seen any such indication.

Originally posted by Gideon
And Sidious rendered three prophets of the dark side (powerful Force users) charred skeletons in a single blast. 🙄

So did I say anything wrong about Sidious? 🙄

Originally posted by Gideon
Again, prove it was a similar situation. Prove he did it with a single blast, and prove that he killed as many as Sidious did.

Check the Quote 2 in above Post. And Force Lightning (Storm) is the best Force power to kill large number of individuals. It takes a short time but not long. Revan was a master practioner of Lightning and he could generate such massive amount of Lightning.

Also, Revan resorted to use of Force against Rakatans because he wanted a short fight. See! Logic applies here.

Originally posted by Gideon
Yup. It does.

I said the both were master practioners of Lightning. Stop arguing like a Child? Oooh! Look Sidious dad can produce more Lightning! 🙄

Originally posted by Gideon
Two words: Prove. It.

One of the most powerful Jedi of all times. Logic applies here and not Fanboyism.

Why don't you prove to me that it was a long and hard battle?

I never said, lol, that it was a "long and hard battle". I asked you to prove that he did it "with a single blast" and prove that it was "quick". You made the assertion that it was both - it is up to you to provide proof.

So did I say anything wrong about Sidious? 🙄

You said Revan's lightning > Sidious's. I can provide the quote if you like, lmao. You've made an assertion. You need to back it up, now, or consent defeat and move on.

Check the Quote 2 in above Post. And Force Lightning (Storm) is the best Force power to kill large number of individuals. It takes a short time but not long.

Again, he said he was met with "powerful magics". Prove that it was a single blast.

Also, Revan resorted to use of Force against Rakatans because he wanted a short fight. See! Logic applies here.

A shorter fight than engaging them all in single combat, yes. But prove it was over in a few seconds - like Sidious when he decimated those stormtroopers.

I said the both were master practioners of Lightning. Stop arguing like a Child? Oooh! Look Sidious dad can produce more Lightning! 🙄

Lmao. "Quit arguing like a child"! Do you say this when you're beaten all the time? Please. You brought it up. You made your bed, now you can lay in it. You said that Revan's lightning was stronger. You made the assertion. You can either back it up or say "I was wrong, I don't have proof" and we can move on. 🙂

One of the most powerful Jedi of all times. Logic applies here and not Fanboyism.

I'm sorry, didn't you make the assertion that Revan's lightning was stronger? That is fanboyism. 🙂

As much as I like Revan

Sidious's lightning > Revan's

Originally posted by Gideon
I never said, lol, that it was a "long and hard battle". I asked you to prove that he did it "with a single blast" and prove that it was "quick". You made the assertion that it was both - it is up to you to provide proof.
It is obvious that he defeated them in short time or else it would have been indicated by a source that it was a tough fight.

Originally posted by Gideon
You said Revan's lightning > Sidious's. I can provide the quote if you like, lmao. You've made an assertion. You need to back it up, now, or consent defeat and move on.

I made an error at that point and rectified it on my next post. Try to focus on addressed points next time.

Originally posted by Gideon
Again, he said he was met with "powerful magics". Prove that it was a single blast.

Powerful magics refers to use of Force. Tell me one powerful Sith Lord who knows Force Lightning and does not uses it in attacks? Revan was a powerful DLOTS by that time and he also preferred to use Force Lightning in combat like Malak. Logic applies here.

Originally posted by Gideon
A shorter fight than engaging them all in single combat, yes. But prove it was over in a few seconds - like Sidious when he decimated those stormtroopers.

Did I said that it was over in few seconds? Don't put words in my mouth. I said that it was short fight and Revan handled it easily through Force.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lmao. "Quit arguing like a child"! Do you say this when you're beaten all the time? Please. You brought it up. You made your bed, now you can lay in it. You said that Revan's lightning was stronger. You made the assertion. You can either back it up or say "I was wrong, I don't have proof" and we can move on. 🙂

LOL! I do not claim to be a very good debator but I certainly use some Logic and Reasoning in my points. I remember that in my very first debate, you were among the first to run-off after a short contest of knowledge and only Lightsnake put up a good debate/contest. So stop telling me that who is superior or who is not.

I have made an error before while not noticing it and I have addressed this issue afterwards. Both of them are master practitioners of Lightning and it ends all things.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'm sorry, didn't you make the assertion that Revan's lightning was stronger? That is fanboyism. 🙂

Same point above that have been already addressed.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
As much as I like Revan

Sidious's lightning > Revan's


Both of them were master practitioners of Lightning. Their is no hard and fast way to say that Sidious was better in it.

Powerful magics refers to use of Force. Tell me one Sith Lord who does not uses Force Lightning in attacks? Revan was a Sith Lord by that time and he also preferred to use Force Lightning in combat like Malak. Logic applies here.

Vader, Maul.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Vader, Maul.

Vader was a cyborg and cyborg do not use this power.

Maul is not on par with Revan. Revan was a master practitioner of Lightning and so was Malak. Maul does not knows Force Lightning.

Thats besides the point, you said "Name me one Sith Lord who doesn't use Lightning" I did.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Thats besides the point, you said "Name me one Sith Lord who doesn't use Lightning" I did.

I have already edited my post to make it more clear now.

Tell me one powerful Sith Lord who knows Force Lightning and does not uses it in attacks?

Kaan, Naga Sadow, Freedon Naad, Exar Kun, Kas'im, Kopezc, Ludo Kresh, Sion. I'm just really being a dick right now 😛

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Tell me one powerful Sith Lord who knows Force Lightning and does not uses it in attacks?

Kaan, Naga Sadow, Freedon Naad, Exar Kun, Kas'im, Kopezc, Ludo Kresh, Sion. I'm just really being a dick right now 😛


It depends that in what type of challenge they are in to.

Most Sith Lords who know Force Lightning, do use it in combat. Even Sidious used it many times.

Revan and Malak also used it many times.

Sion is not known to know Force Lightning. I may be wrong but he does not demonstrates this ability.

Kas'im was more of a duelist type guy.

Exar Kun did used it on some occassions.

Can't say about preferences of Ancient Sith Lords. They did not even wielded Light Sabers, except for may be Tulak.

I thought Revan's "Force storm" WAS a single blast.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I thought Revan's "Force storm" WAS a single blast.

Well, I don't know about you, but I don't recall ever wiping out an "army" of anything in game with a single blast of lightning. Sidious wiped out those augmented and defected stormtroopers with a single blast. For all we know, Revan blasted them once, repowered, blasted them again, and repeated 'til they were all dead.

Originally posted by Gideon
Well, I don't know about you, but I don't recall ever wiping out an "army" of anything in game with a single blast of lightning. Sidious wiped out those augmented and defected stormtroopers with a single blast. For all we know, Revan blasted them once, repowered, blasted them again, and repeated 'til they were all dead.

Game Mechanics? Not good!

If Sidious would be in an KOTOR game, his powers would also work in the same way.