Darth Revan vs. DE Sidious

It is obvious that he defeated them in short time or else it would have been indicated by a source that it was a tough fight.

Don't assume. Do me a favor and calculate "a short time". And, remember, I never said that it took him long. I said "did he do it with one blast?" You have yet to prove it.

I made an error at that point and rectified it on my next post. Try to focus on addressed points next time.

You rectified it by saying "oh, let's just not argue this anymore!". You were wrong; you were proven incorrect. Your assertion fell through. Period. We won't need to argue it anymore, because Sidious's lightning is more potent than Revan's.

Powerful magics refers to use of Force. Tell me one powerful Sith Lord who knows Force Lightning and does not uses it in attacks? Revan was a powerful DLOTS by that time and he also preferred to use Force Lightning in combat like Malak. Logic applies here.

"Logic applies here!" Lmao. Says the guy who keeps saying "no, you are wrong!" like Sexyback used to - and, is in return, being proven wrong himself. Do us all a favor and don't lecture anyone about logic. By the way, your entire point makes no sense. I know he was referring to the Force. Prove that Revan did the damn feat with a single blast.

Did I said that it was over in few seconds? Don't put words in my mouth. I said that it was short fight and Revan handled it easily through Force.

The word "dumbass" springs to mind, now. I never said that you said "it was over in a few seconds". You claimed that Revan's lightning was stronger than Sidious's (like a fanboy). Sidious wiped out "an army" in seconds. If Revan were stronger, he would likely have done it quicker. So, prove it.

LOL! I do not claim to be a very good debator but I certainly use some Logic and Reasoning in my points. I remember that in my very first debate, you were among the first to run-off after a short contest of knowledge and only Lightsnake put up a good debate/contest. So stop telling me that who is superior or who is not.

Lmao. Right when you stop saying "Wrong!" or making stupid ass assertions.

I have made an error before while not noticing it and I have addressed this issue afterwards. Both of them are master practitioners of Lightning and it ends all things.

No. Sidious is more powerful, and has shown to be a much stronger practitioner of lightning. They are both "masters", sure, but Sidious is much moreso.

Same point above that have been already addressed.

Again, then you were wrong and you need to stop trying to defend a savagely beaten point. 🙂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Game Mechanics? Not good!

If Sidious would be in an KOTOR game, his powers would also work in the same way.

Yeah... you're pretty much not getting the point... Prove that it was just game mechanics. Prove he wiped them out in a single blast.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Both of them were master practitioners of Lightning. Their is no hard and fast way to say that Sidious was better in it.

Yes there is, i have proof,

Swlegend you are severely overrating Revan to actually claim sidious lightning isnt better than his

And sidious can do better than this,

Who knows? the rakatas words could be hyperbole, They have never seen the force before, they could exaggerate. People would do if they seen the loch ness monster

Yup.

Like I said, Sidious reduced three Prophets of the Dark Side (who were powerful enough to resurrect Darth Maul (or an illusion of Darth Maul, we don't know) to charred skeletons in a single blast. Revan hasn't performed anything like it.

Revan killing a scouting party isnt impressive, Vader on the other hand killed an entire army of wookies with his lightsaber and i mean he really decapitated each and every one of them

Originally posted by Gideon
[B]Don't assume. Do me a favor and calculate "a short time". And, remember, I never said that it took him long. I said "did he do it with one blast?" You have yet to prove it.

Originally posted by Gideon
You rectified it by saying "oh, let's just not argue this anymore!". You were wrong; you were proven incorrect. Your assertion fell through. Period. We won't need to argue it anymore, because Sidious's lightning is more potent than Revan's.

And you can't prove that Sidious's Lightning is more potent then that of Revan. Both were master practitoners of Lightning. I can say that Bane's Lightning is even better.

Originally posted by Gideon
"Logic applies here!" Lmao. Says the guy who keeps saying "no, you are wrong!" like Sexyback used to - and, is in return, being proven wrong himself. Do us all a favor and don't lecture anyone about logic. By the way, your entire point makes no sense. I know he was referring to the Force. Prove that Revan did the damn feat with a single blast.

Revan would have used a single Lightning attack to wipe them all out which would have taken a couple of minutes. This is my observation regarding that event.

Originally posted by Gideon
The word "dumbass" springs to mind, now. I never said that you said "it was over in a few seconds". You claimed that Revan's lightning was stronger than Sidious's (like a fanboy). Sidious wiped out "an army" in seconds. If Revan were stronger, he would likely have done it quicker. So, prove it.

That was not an entire army. Those were 100 troopers.

Revan actually wiped out an entire Rakatan Army in a few minutes.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lmao. Right when you stop saying "Wrong!" or making stupid ass assertions.

Originally posted by Gideon
No. Sidious is more powerful, and has shown to be a much stronger practitioner of lightning. They are both "masters", sure, but Sidious is much moreso.

Revan's Lightning would have looked like that as well.

Originally posted by Gideon
Again, then you were wrong and you need to stop trying to defend a savagely beaten point. 🙂

Originally posted by Kadesh
Revan killing a scouting party isnt impressive, Vader on the other hand killed an entire army of wookies with his lightsaber and i mean he really decapitated each and every one of them

And Revan destroyed an entire army of Rakatans and not just a scouting party. I have mentioned a quote of that.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It depends that in what type of challenge they are in to.

Most Sith Lords who know Force Lightning, do use it in combat. Even Sidious used it many times.

Revan and Malak also used it many times.

Sion is not known to know Force Lightning. I may be wrong but he does not demonstrates this ability.

Exar Kun did used it on some occassions.

Can't say about preferences of Ancient Sith Lords. They did not even wielded Light Sabers, except for may be Tulak.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kas'I'm was more of a duelist type guy.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Thats all fine and good, but the fact remains that you said, even after editing the post, name one powerful Sith lords who doesn't use lightning. That was the only (technically the second) rule you gave, and he in turn answered you with about 8 Sith Lords.

Originally posted by Gideon
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Dooku also "more of a duelist" type guy? [/B]

He used Force Lightning in AOTC.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Revan destroyed an entire army of Rakatans and not just a scouting party. I have mentioned a quote of that.

Again how do you know if "teh" one was telling the truth? People tend to exaggerate when they see something they never seen before, and why would they want to send an entire army to 2 people they dont even know are jedi or what they could do?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Their are many characters in Star Wars. I can't keep the record of all of them in my head. But most Sith Lords who knew Force Lightning, used it in combat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

He used Force Lightning in AOTC.

And he couldnt do so in ROTS if lightning was used so often in battle, since vader doesnt have them wouldnt he do crush? And by the way crush can kill you in a matter of seconds, vader took down a tank the size of an AT-AT with that with ease

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again how do you know if "teh" one was telling the truth? People tend to exaggerate when they see something they never seen before, and why would they want to send an entire army to 2 people they dont even know are jedi or what they could do?

Then he proceeded towards The One and ripped basic in to his mind through telekinesis to learn the secrets of entering the Temple, but The One had no such knowledge.

So he left The One to his fate and sought help from The Elders.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The One had plans to take over the entire Rakatan Temple. He brought many warriors with him for that attack. But sadly for him, Revan had reached the place and decimated many of his warriors.

Then he proceeded towards The One and ripped basic in to his mind through telekinesis to learn the secrets of entering the Temple, but The One had no such knowledge.

So he left The One to his fate and sought help from The Elders.

Not that many warriors, not even enough to fill up a big platoon

w/e i gtg now so ill talk about this later ok?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Not really, Sidious used it twice when he got disarmed, dooku did it before a duel not during one

In-fact Sidous used it in several of his fights.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And he couldnt do so in ROTS if lightning was used so often in battle, since vader doesnt have them wouldnt he do crush? And by the way crush can kill you in a matter of seconds, vader took down a tank the size of an AT-AT with that with ease

Crush is irrelevant here. Powerful Force Users do have impressive defensive abilities and Revan had some too.

Originally posted by Kadesh
This still cannot prove your point, Killing many warriors doesnt mean killing an army, Again we saw how big the groups of rakatas are in lehon in each temple there were 2 right?

Not that many warriors, not even enough to fill up a big platoon

w/e i gtg now so ill talk about this later ok?

Revan decimated the entire Rakatan army near the Rakatan Temple. Because he would not allow Black Rakatans to gain entry in to the temple.

And as i said, the "army" isnt as big as you think, The entire housing for those rakata werent big, and there were like what 20 of them at most?
And i actuallydoubt that One fool would send the entire camp and get wiped out.

Who knows? Every turn, do you know what does that mean? Means revan didnt kill them with one move, he could have killed them one by one, or he used several powers

Originally posted by Kadesh
[B]And as i said, the "army" isnt as big as you think, The entire housing for those rakata werent big, and there were like what 20 of them at most?
And i actuallydoubt that One fool would send the entire camp and get wiped out.

And after that defeat, he went back to his base and stayed their for 3 years and until Revan returned and asked Revan to full-fill his previous promise to destroy Elders.

In the game, we don't see exact numbers of Black Rakatans. Canonicaly Black Rakatans numbered 1000 in that base. But their numbers fell due to obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Who knows? Every turn, do you know what does that mean? Means revan didnt kill them with one move, he could have killed them one by one, or he used several powers

I'm not trying to be mean here, but I find you very annoying a lot of the time S_W_LeGenD. Your arguments (not all, but some of the time) are vague and unsupported, and most are filled with hyperbole in them due to your favoring a specific person (usually Revan) and its just irritating to read, I find myself skipping over your posts a lot of the time because they can become so irritating. However, you seem like an intelligent person, I just wonder sometimes whats going through your head...Why do you do it? Its not to be annoying on purpose I hope..

A couple of minutes. Thats it.

Assuming that your deduction is accurate, that would still make his feat much less impressive than the Emperor's. If you are even implying that the two are somehow equal in that sort've thing, you're wrong.

I made a mistake, accepted it and then moved on. But still you keep on pushing it, which is more like bad debating approach.

Good. You've admitted that you've made a stupid assertion. Great job.

And you can't prove that Sidious's Lightning is more potent then that of Revan. Both were master practitoners of Lightning.

[LeGenD] Wrong! [/LeGenD]

I can.

You've failed to provide accounts of Revan's lightning being equal or above Sidious's own. You have failed to bring evidence to your conclusions that both of them "are masters". And even if they both are, it is irrelevent. Yoda was a master; Obi-Wan was as well. Yet Yoda would thoroughly curbstomp Obi-Wan in anything related to the Force. You have a similar situation here; color it anyway you want, but Sidious is much more powerful than Revan, and based on onpanel evidence, he is the more potent caster of Force lightning.

Wanna disagree? That's fine. Just offer proof.

I can say that Bane's Lightning is even better.

Sure. When he kills a hundred soldiers in a single blast, kills Jedi with single blasts, or reduces three powerful prophets to charred bones with a single blast, you can make such an assertion. In the meantime, do us both a favor and don't.

You don't use Logics in debates or do you?

Well... it would seem that most of the people here seem to agree with me and not you. You tell me. 😉

Revan would have used a single Lightning attack to wipe them all out which would have taken a couple of minutes. This is my observation regarding that event.

Your observation isn't canon.

I have already accepted my mistake. Now you keep on pushing it like a dumbass then it is your problem and not mine. So move on!

Lmao. Then do as the Anomaly suggested and quit being so irritating. You assume to be right; your points have been rendered moot or irrelevent. You win when you outlogic me; you haven't. You've lost.

That was not an entire army. Those were 100 troopers.

Quantify how many people are in an army. I'm not aware of a set number for an army. I've always considered an army to be a reasonably large amount of individuals. 100 meets that requirement. It can be considered an army.

Revan actually wiped out an entire Rakatan Army in a few minutes.

a.) You "assert" that. But we all know how much your assertions are worth, don't we? 😉

b.) Quantify how many people were there.

People learn from debates or don't they?

You don't learn much.

Sidious is only better in Lightning in your opinion.

[LeGenD] Wrong! [/LeGenD]

Sidious is better due to on panel evidence supporting as such. And, really, you call me the fanboy. 😆

I am not convinced by that single cartoonish image.

This is me not really caring. Denying facts doesn't make them any less of a fact.

Revan's Lightning would have looked like that as well.

I think I'm going to take out my "idiot shrine" to Planet, since he and I are getting along, and replace it with you. You're not a canon source. You do not tell me "what" it would have looked like. Period. 🙂

I have not been savagely beaten.

The traditional excuse of the savagely beaten.

You have not changed my opinion, so you keep your so called victory in your head.

Aww... that's cute. See, guys? He thinks his opinion matters. He thinks that was what I was trying to do: change his mind. 😆

No. It wasn't. 🙁

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In the game, we don't see exact numbers of Black Rakatans. Canonicaly Black Rakatans numbered 1000 in that base. But their numbers fell due to obvious reasons.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No! Revan used Force to kill them. Most fitting thing is a massive Lightning based attack. "Every turn" refers to that no matter what Rakatans tried, they were getting slaughtered by Revan's Force attack at every move.

If Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord EVER, then it would stand to reason, that his darkside abilities would surpass others, hence making him the most powerful ever.