Darth Revan vs. DE Sidious

Um actually i dis agree with you, palpatine Did a galaxy wide battle meditation during the OT and that made the empire far stronger than it is, FOC proves this again and after he died, the imperial forces started to crumble even by attacks by the zann consortium.

Sidious meditation > bastilas

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Everyone wants to spout this shit about Nadd attacking from light years away, but fail to mention that Vodo received absolutely NO injuries. So really, point moot.

It was surely a masterful display of Dark Side Feat.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um actually i dis agree with you, palpatine Did a galaxy wide battle meditation during the OT and that made the empire far stronger than it is, FOC proves this again and after he died, the imperial forces started to crumble even by attacks by the zann consortium.

Sidious meditation > bastilas

Their is no reference to state that Sidious had the best Battle Meditation ability of all times.

Bastilla not just over-powered one side with her Meditation ability but at the same time destroyed the will of other side to turn tide in wars. Her meditation performance in Battle of Star Forge was simply amazing.

Bastilla's Meditation > then that of Sidous. Until this is canonically refuted, then I am not accepting this assumption.

Bull shit, FOC and the EU proved palpatines battle meditation was galaxy-wide, and the rebel forces in ROTJ were getting pwned and the star destroyers didnt even do shit until palpatine died, Thats when they got the crushing blow

You know what galaxy wide is right? Even bastila cant do that

Originally posted by Kadesh
Bull shit, FOC and the EU proved palpatines battle meditation was galaxy-wide, and the rebel forces in ROTJ were getting pwned and the star destroyers didnt even do shit until palpatine died, Thats when they got the crushing blow

You know what galaxy wide is right? Even bastila cant do that

Also, Rebel Forces were getting hit by direct fire from the Death Star itself. Surely that would scare anybody.

But Bastilla installed fear in to the heart of the enemies by her Will through her meditation. She did not required any Death Star to do that.

Rebel raiders were waiting for shield of Death Star to go down to make a killer strike at its core. And after the shield was de-activated, they just did that.

Watch the fight in the movie for better clarification. G-canon is greater then any C-canon.

All he did was block his meditation, that could be construed as blocking it on his end. The point of an attack is to injure and/or kill someone...neither happened to Vodo, so its not that impressive.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
All he did was block his meditation, that could be construed as blocking it on his end. The point of an attack is to injure and/or kill someone...neither happened to Vodo, so its not that impressive.

He just did that and it was an amazing feat. He succeeded in doing what he wanted and thats the point here.

Killing is irrelevant. Nadd was powerful enought to kill a Jedi if he wanted to. And attacks are not always made to kill.

FFS i said in the EU, during the dark times, That was where he did galaxy-wide battle mediation

and palpatine was busy tempting luke to the dark side, had he fully focused on battle meditation the rebel alliance would collapse and disintegrate, and sidious was doing it sub consciously. And bastila had to concentrate like hell just to even make her battlemeditation on the same level as his

And the fight shows that the rebel alliance was losing before palpatine got killed and the shields went down,

Bastilas battlemeditation is crap compared to lukes,

Seriously are you trying to compare an inferior to the most powerful sith lord in the galaxy? When he learns something, he masters it to its highest degree

Originally posted by Kadesh
FFS i said in the EU, during the dark times, That was where he did galaxy-wide battle mediation

and palpatine was busy tempting luke to the dark side, had he fully focused on battle meditation the rebel alliance would collapse and disintegrate, and sidious was doing it sub consciously. And bastila had to concentrate like hell just to even make her battlemeditation on the same level as his

And the fight shows that the rebel alliance was losing before palpatine got killed and the shields went down,

And Rebel Alliance was being directly hit by Death Star's super laser. What would you expect from Rebels in such a situation?

If shields went down earlier, then Rebels would attack earlier. Remember that the Rebels were perpared for this mission.

Also canonically, where it is said that Bastilla's meditation is inferior to that of Sidious? A direct statement would be nice along with the link.

And canonically where does it state that bastilas battle mediation is greater than sidious? What part of GALAXY WIDE dont you understand?
Note this happened in to EU.

And the DS only could hit capital ships and yet there were so many Y-wings and x wings blowing up and getting pwned by tie fighters

And palpatine planned all this, he did it at a level which wont crush the rebels, he wanted luke to fall to his trap,

By the way Eaw and FOC featured the empire destroying its enemies in every part of the galaxy and they won at every single planet that was under imperial control, all due to palpatines battle meditation which is masterfull and galaxy wide.

QUIT being a kotor fanboy, its totally ridiculous that you are comparing bastila, an inferior to the mostpowerful sith lord in the galaxy.

O and a canon statement that his powers > bastila? DESB, "Palpatine is believed to MASTER all known force powers, unknown force powers and invents them at his pleasure."

ill continue this tomorrow

Originally posted by Kadesh
And canonically where does it state that bastilas battle mediation is greater than sidious? What part of GALAXY WIDE dont you understand?
Note this happened in to EU.

And the DS only could hit capital ships and yet there were so many Y-wings and x wings blowing up and getting pwned by tie fighters

And palpatine planned all this, he did it at a level which wont crush the rebels, he wanted luke to fall to his trap,

By the way Eaw and FOC featured the empire destroying its enemies in every part of the galaxy and they won at every single planet that was under imperial control, all due to palpatines battle meditation which is masterfull and galaxy wide.

QUIT being a kotor fanboy, its totally ridiculous that you are comparing bastila, an inferior to the mostpowerful sith lord in the galaxy.

O and a canon statement that his powers > bastila? DESB, "Palpatine is believed to MASTER all known force powers, unknown force powers and invents them at his pleasure."

So two master practitioners of Battle Meditation were using this ability in one single battle despite having the advantage of Death Star. Very convincing!

Bastilla alone turned the tide of the entire war in Battle of Rakata Prime easily in short time. This was very impressive.

She was one of the master practitioners of Battle Meditation and she mastered it in very early age. What point of this don't you actually understand?

And "Battle Meditation" is such a powerful ability that it can be effective through-out the Galaxy.

She can be easily compared to palpatine in this regard and their is no fanboyism here and her case looks better. She was the biggest trouble for Sith Empire in KOTOR due to this ability and that's why Malak wanted her so badly.

What bullshit who the hell is nial declenn. care to stop making bull shit up?

battle meditation works quickly, its not impressive when you turned the tide

Accoring to my knowledge palaptine only used minimal BM in the battle of endor, and yet it turned out sweatly for him before he got his ass wiped by vader.

And no, theres no way in hell she can compare to someone who did a galaxy-wide battle meditation. If the great bastila is so damm good with BM, why did she need to concentrate like hell and why couldnt she do it galaxy wide?

Is this crap still continuing?

Apparantly, Sw legend claims bastila is better than palaptine in BM which is bull shit

She could be, it's very possible. But Bastilla was the most famous BM practitioner. Her feat in the battle over Rakata Prime and in the battle in which they caught Revan kinda surpasses Sidious' BM. But at the same time it never states that Sidious was a BM master, so it's very possible.

Originally posted by Kadesh
What bullshit who the hell is nial declenn. care to stop making bull shit up?

battle meditation works quickly, its not impressive when you turned the tide

Accoring to my knowledge palaptine only used minimal BM in the battle of endor, and yet it turned out sweatly for him before he got his ass wiped by vader.

And no, theres no way in hell she can compare to someone who did a galaxy-wide battle meditation. If the great bastila is so damm good with BM, why did she need to concentrate like hell and why couldnt she do it galaxy wide?

Two people: Palpatine and Nial Declann were using Battle Meditation in Battle of Endor.

Here is quote: "Grand Admiral Nial Declann had also mastered this technique, and used it to great effect in the Battle of Endor."

Nial Declann was a Grand Admiral in Imperial Navy and also had mastered Battle Meditation ability. He was using it to great effect during Battle of Endor.

You have to note that Bastilla mastered this technique in very early age, which was extremely rare. She alone turned the tide of war in the massive battle of Rakatan Prime in a short time.

She has done more impressive job with it. And Battle Meditation has no limitations in terms of Area. It can effect targeted people throughout the Galaxy.

Kadesh, Bastila's BM is possibly the best in the SW Galaxy, she turned the tide of a battle in seconds just by deciding on which side she wanted to win.

Palpatine himself was able to control the billions of soldiers in the armada at Endor...Thrawn notes when he died, everything changed immediately

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Palpatine himself was able to control the billions of soldiers in the armada at Endor...Thrawn notes when he died, everything changed immediately

Emperor was getting distracted by Luke vs Vader showdown and during the battle he gets off to kill Luke himself. Nial Declann was making sure that in case if something happens to Emperor, his BM will help.

So technically two persons were using BM during Battle of Endor and still lost.

Bastilla however changed the fate of the entire battle in a very short time. She was alone influencing minds of her enemies (making their moral and tactics weak) and also of that of her allies (making them respond perfectly in all situations). And they all numbered in billions as well.