Darth Revan vs. DE Sidious

Started by Deception7 pages

LOL!!!

I haven't been on these forums for a while, and the arguments are getting ridiculous.

When has Revan shown ANYTHING even CLOSE to the power of Sidious?

Really, if Revan could tear down fleets like Sidious does, i would seriously wonder why he didn't attempt it when the Republic's Fleet were against him.

Next i'll hate to bring up an old topic, but i can think of atleast an entire race of Sith Lords being superior to Revan: The Ancient Sith.

He learnt FRACTIONS of their power, unless you want to illogically speculate that all the knowledge the Ancients had were never looted, were never lost or destroyed.

Oh i'm sorry, but when has killing a scouting party become the equivalent of frying Jedi, destroying Star Destroyers and fleets?

The onus is on you to prove that Revan's ability to fry non force users is even comparable to Sidious's destructive power.

Originally posted by Deception
LOL!!!

I haven't been on these forums for a while, and the arguments are getting ridiculous.

When has Revan shown ANYTHING even CLOSE to the power of Sidious?

Really, if Revan could tear down fleets like Sidious does, i would seriously wonder why he didn't attempt it when the Republic's Fleet were against him.

Next i'll hate to bring up an old topic, but i can think of atleast an entire race of Sith Lords being superior to Revan: The Ancient Sith.

He learnt FRACTIONS of their power, unless you want to illogically speculate that all the knowledge the Ancients had were never looted, were never lost or destroyed.

Oh i'm sorry, but when has killing a scouting party become the equivalent of frying Jedi, destroying Star Destroyers and fleets?

The onus is on you to prove that Revan's ability to fry non force users is even comparable to Sidious's destructive power.

It the new Bane book, its spurred a resurgence of Revan fanboyism not seen since the days of KOTOR's release.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Can you provide this canon source that states 1000 troops?

The Lore Master in the Black Rakatan base says this. He is the most knowledgeable Black Rakatan.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Wrong. "At every turn" generally means, that even where they went, and everything they did, was met with Revan's wrath. They quote uses plurals...a few times, which means it wasn't one attacks. "Magics" in no way can be construed as ONE Force or ONE force power. Magics, in the plural sense, means more than 1. Whether it's the same attack multiple times, or multiple attacks one time each, there was more than one. Sorry.

We can't say properly that what form of attack was it but can Rakatans really tell you that which type of attack was it? Here is a hint:

Force Lightning has a advanced Form called Chain Lightning. Chain Lightning hits one target and the moves towards next and then next and then next. This can explain the theory of "every turn" or something. It seems that it was a powerful blast of Lightning as it killed many.

Now if you think that this is not the case, then it is unknown. Still what Revan did was imperssive. Killing an entire army through Force is impressive.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
If Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord EVER, then it would stand to reason, that his darkside abilities would surpass others, hence making him the most powerful ever.

Did I said that Sidious would loose? Don't you people have eyes or something?

Revan is also among the most powerful Jedi of all times. Possibly in TOP 5 and this means something. He will not be defeated so easily.

Your so called mighty Sidious could not destroy DE Luke in combat. And DE Luke got his @ss whooped by a 4000 year old spirit of Exar Kun. See the difference?

Originally posted by Deception
LOL!!!

I haven't been on these forums for a while, and the arguments are getting ridiculous.

When has Revan shown ANYTHING even CLOSE to the power of Sidious?

Really, if Revan could tear down fleets like Sidious does, i would seriously wonder why he didn't attempt it when the Republic's Fleet were against him.

Next i'll hate to bring up an old topic, but i can think of atleast an entire race of Sith Lords being superior to Revan: The Ancient Sith.

He learnt FRACTIONS of their power, unless you want to illogically speculate that all the knowledge the Ancients had were never looted, were never lost or destroyed.

Oh i'm sorry, but when has killing a scouting party become the equivalent of frying Jedi, destroying Star Destroyers and fleets?

The onus is on you to prove that Revan's ability to fry non force users is even comparable to Sidious's destructive power.


Here is a List:

- Destroyed the entire Rakatan Army on Lehon through Force. And not just a scouting party.

- Wiped out the entire Rakatan Race in his second venture against them.

- Destroyed an entire Army of Sith on Star Forge and never even sweat. And then also easily took down Malak in combat.

- According to POD: his knowledge surpassed the entirety of Sith Archives in Korriban planet. His teachings made Bane more powerful then before.

- Was referred to as a "Prodigous knight" By a Jedi Master.

- Killed two Terentatek beasts easily in Tomb of Naga Sadow and did not even sweat.

- Killed several impressive and powerful individuals easily.

- He is considered to be one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

- Executed "Mandalore - The Ultimate" like he was nothing (even after being heavily trained and leader of millions of Mandalorian warriors)

- Killed Yusanis in the single spot. Yusanis was a master swordman as well and had excellent precognition capabilities. He was the best Echani Warrior ever known and Revan slaughtered him very easily.

- Kriea herself says that "Revan was power. Staring in to his eyes was like staring in to the heart of the Force".

And Kriea has not seen ancients in combat. She was possibly refering to Tulak's skills but Revan got hold of Tulak's secrets and studied them. kriea admits that Tulak's secrets were gone.

All of this is impressive. And if not then it is up to you.

And Sidious teared down a fleet through his Force Storm that he himself cannot control. That Force Storm will kill him too if he unleashes it in single combat.

yea i do see a difference, ones a tangible being, and one is an ancient spirit...good comparison though...

ill address the rest of that shit tomorrow...

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
yea i do see a difference, ones a tangible being, and one is an ancient spirit...good comparison though...

ill address the rest of that shit tomorrow...


That ancient spirit possessed body of Kyp and then attacked. Luke himself admits that Kyp was fighting very differently (after being possessed).

And that spirit wreaked havok on him. If that spirit would not have been stopped by Luke's students, then it would be end of Luke. Now imagine that how powerful real Exar Kun was.

exar kun is nothing, he hasnt demonstrated anything spetacular other than freezing what 100 000 non force users and "teh" amulet blasts

And luke fell because kun used the entire dark side of yavin to back him up, According to lightsnake

Originally posted by Kadesh And luke fell because kun used the entire dark side of yavin to back him up, According to lightsnake

A 400 year old ancient spirit could do that. So it is impressive.

He put Luke down no matter what arguement is raized. Real Exar Kun would be more dangerous.

Fights are not as black and white as some people try to make them sound. Each individual has his ups and downs.

DE Luke also had disadvantages. No one is prefect.

Um you do know that he possessed kyp and combined powers? That overwhelms luke and + with the golden globe, the entire dark side of yavin isnt it obvious he would beat luke?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um you do know that he possessed kyp and combined powers? That overwhelms luke and + with the golden globe, the entire dark side of yavin isnt it obvious he would beat luke?

It was Kun that acted through Kyp's body in his own ways. This is why Luke admits that Kyp was acting very differently.

And Kun managed to do what DE Sidious could not.

Despite all his power, DE Sidious failed to accomplish that. I did not see DE Sidious curbstomping him, despite being assumed as a mighty Force God or something.

It is because that DE Luke was also powerful and so is Revan. Curbstomping a very powerful individual is not as easy as it seems to some people here.

Originally posted by Gideon
Assuming that your deduction is accurate, that would still make his feat much less impressive than the Emperor's. If you are even implying that the two are somehow equal in that sort've thing, you're wrong.

Does it really matters?

He faced an entire army while Sidious faced 100 troopers. Their is a difference here.

Revan can also counter Lightning attacks so their is no point in discussing this.

Originally posted by Gideon
Good. You've admitted that you've made a stupid assertion. Great job.

I have got the balls to admit my mistakes. This does not damages my image because I am not perfect. Call it stupid assertion or whatever, but you surely don't know how to remain CIVIL.

Originally posted by Gideon
I can.

You've failed to provide accounts of Revan's lightning being equal or above Sidious's own. You have failed to bring evidence to your conclusions that both of them "are masters". And even if they both are, it is irrelevent. Yoda was a master; Obi-Wan was as well. Yet Yoda would thoroughly curbstomp Obi-Wan in anything related to the Force. You have a similar situation here; color it anyway you want, but Sidious is much more powerful than Revan, and based on onpanel evidence, he is the more potent caster of Force lightning.


Lightning is something that if mastered to its highest form would be deadly and will spread and kill large number of individuals. Revan, Malak, Bane and Sidious were all master practitioners of Lightning, so it does not makes them superior to each other in this regard.

The point is that will Lightning harm Revan? Answer is No because he can counter it.

So move on! Sidious Lover.

Originally posted by Gideon
Well... it would seem that most of the people here seem to agree with me and not you. You tell me. 😉

Do I care? No!

Originally posted by Gideon
Your observation isn't canon.

Still Revan slaughtered the entire army through Force. So it was impressive.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lmao. Then do as the Anomaly suggested and quit being so irritating. You assume to be right; your points have been rendered moot or irrelevent. You win when you outlogic me; you haven't. You've lost.

Does not matters actually. This really is not something to worry about as I don't take fiction very seriously.

Originally posted by Gideon
Quantify how many people are in an army. I'm not aware of a set number for an army. I've always considered an army to be a reasonably large amount of individuals. 100 meets that requirement. It can be considered an army.

Both Revan and Sidous killed large number of individuals so does it matters? 100 Troops does not sounds like an army to me. It is more like a division or something.

Originally posted by Gideon
You don't learn much.

Do you know me by nature? No! so stop making stupid judgements.

Originally posted by Gideon
Sidious is better due to on panel evidence supporting as such. And, really, you call me the fanboy. 😆

Did I said that Revan is more powerful then Sidious? I pity your stupid mentality.

Originally posted by Gideon
This is me not really caring. Denying facts doesn't make them any less of a fact.

I have not denied any single fact. Try again!

Originally posted by Gideon
I think I'm going to take out my "idiot shrine" to Planet, since he and I are getting along, and replace it with you. You're not a canon source. You do not tell me "what" it would have looked like. Period. 🙂

I don't care. I follow canon aspects of things as well and put them just like that.

This is why I state that Sidious is more powerful then Revan. So stop Bull-shitting around.

Originally posted by Gideon
The traditional excuse of the savagely beaten.

And what harm did I endured. Just a debate and thats it.

Wow! you made a better arguement in one debate and you assume that I am messed up! idiot. 🙄

Stop being a child, Escape!

Originally posted by Gideon
Aww... that's cute. See, guys? He thinks his opinion matters. He thinks that was what I was trying to do: change his mind. 😆

No. It wasn't. 🙁


Others don't really care as well so move along.

Does it really matters?

He faced an entire army while Sidious faced 100 troopers. Their is a difference here.

Revan can also counter Lightning attacks so their is no point in discussing this.

Yes, it does matter. The sooner you accept that Sidious's lightning is more powerful, we can move along. Because you saying "no, they're both master practitioners!" means jack. Sidious is the stronger Force user and his lightning is more potent.

I have got the balls to admit my mistakes. This does not damages my image because I am not perfect. Call it stupid assertion or whatever, but you surely don't know how to remain CIVIL.

Lmao. Let's leave your balls out of this, kay? Small subject.

Anyways, I'll be "civil" when you understand that you're wrong. On panel evidence backs me up. Not you. 🙂

Lightning is something that if mastered to its highest form would be deadly and will spread and kill large number of individuals. Revan, Malak, Bane and Sidious were all master practitioners of Lightning, so it does not makes them superior to each other in this regard.

:erm:

Yes, it does. Tell me, where the hell do you get these assertions? Do you just come up with randomly stupid stuff and try to pass it off as fact? I suppose since Yoda is a "master practitioner" of the Force, that it is useless to say anyone is more powerful than him? No. Because making one a "master" doesn't make one equal to every other master.

Sidious has the stronger lightning.

The point is that will Lightning harm Revan? Answer is No because he can counter it.

There ought to be a klaxon for stupid assertions. You have many.

So move on! Sidious Lover.

Please. I could call you a Revan fanboy because you try to fellate him, fail, and then argue "oh, they're equal" because you're wrong, you know you're wrong, and you've got nothing else left to argue. Sidious's lightning is stronger.

Do I care? No!

Lol, you overvalue your opinion. Not everything is about you caring. 🙁

It means that most of the people here seem to think that I'm using logic and you aren't. Sorry.

Still Revan slaughtered the entire army through Force. So it was impressive.

You can't define the circumstances. Really takes the shazam! out of the damn feat. And, I never said it wasn't impressive. But Sidious's use of lightning is much moreso.

Does not matters actually. This really is not something to worry about as I don't take fiction very seriously.

You're a walking contradiction, y'know.

Both Revan and Sidous killed large number of individuals so does it matters? 100 Troops does not sounds like an army to me. It is more like a division or something.

How many makes up an army is open to interpretation. Bottom line: Sidious's feats > Revan's feats. This would include lightning.

Do you know me by nature? No! so stop making stupid judgements.

:erm:

If anyone's making "stupid" anything, it would be you.

Did I said that Revan is more powerful then Sidious? I pity your stupid mentality.

Did I say that you said otherwise? Jeez. Anyways, let's use logic here. If Sidious is more powerful... then his lightning would logically be stronger as well, right?

Guess that thought never occured to you? 😕

I have not denied any single fact. Try again!

Actually, yeah, you have. It's pretty much the reason we're debating this. You're denying that Sidious's lightning is more powerful. Why? Well, one can only guess.

I don't care. I follow canon aspects of things as well and put them just like that.

If you followed canon, then you'd understand that Sidious's lightning would be stronger than Revan's. 😉

This is why I state that Sidious is more powerful then Revan. So stop Bull-shitting around.

Bingo. 😉

And what harm did I endured. Just a debate and thats it.

Well, really, it's not much of a debate. It's me telling you that you're wrong and I'm right - and I'm proving it.

Wow! you made a better arguement in one debate and you assume that I am messed up! idiot. 🙄

So you're calling me an idiot, despite me using logic better than you, and proving you wrong to the point where it's getting a bit redundant? Riiight...

Stop being a child, Escape!

Don't you always start out your arguments with something like "NO! You are wrong! Waa!"

I believe you did that to me earlier, lol, but we know how that went. 😎

Please. You quit acting like a dumb child, and I'll stop acting like a mean one.

Others don't really care as well so move along.

Lol. You can read minds, now? o0

Originally posted by Gideon
Yes, it does matter. The sooner you accept that Sidious's lightning is more powerful, we can move along. Because you saying "no, they're both master practitioners!" means jack. Sidious is the stronger Force user and his lightning is more potent.

Prove to me that how being more powerful makes you better with Lightning as well.

Bane also executed a huge form of Force Lightning. Does this means that he is stronger then Sidious?

Term "mastery" is not defined by just power of a Jedi or Sith. A powerful Jedi can be better in one ability then others but he/she could be lesser in other ability then others.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lmao. Let's leave your balls out of this, kay? Small subject.

Anyways, I'll be "civil" when you understand that you're wrong. On panel evidence backs me up. Not you. 🙂


I can insult you as well. So keep this in mind. And it is better to stay Civil in these kinds of debates.

Originally posted by Gideon
:erm:

Yes, it does. Tell me, where the hell do you get these assertions? Do you just come up with randomly stupid stuff and try to pass it off as fact? I suppose since Yoda is a "master practitioner" of the Force, that it is useless to say anyone is more powerful than him? No. Because making one a "master" doesn't make one equal to every other master.

Sidious has the stronger lightning.


Once again this is not a fixed thing. Some Sith Lords have demonstrated more mastery then Sidious in certain abilities.

Example: Nihilus demonstrated more mastery in Drain then Sidious. Does this means that Nihilus is more powerful then Sidious?

So keep your stupid logics with you.

Originally posted by Gideon
There ought to be a klaxon for stupid assertions. You have many.
Your case is not any better as well.

You keep on saying that if a Jedi is more powerful then the other jedi, then this means that he/she is better in everything then the less powerful Jedi. This is utterly rubbish and false.

Originally posted by Gideon
Please. I could call you a Revan fanboy because you try to fellate him, fail, and then argue "oh, they're equal" because you're wrong, you know you're wrong, and you've got nothing else left to argue. Sidious's lightning is stronger.

I defend him to a certain extend and I try not to over-hype his abilities. But you are doing that in case of Sidious.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lol, you overvalue your opinion. Not everything is about you caring. 🙁

It means that most of the people here seem to think that I'm using logic and you aren't. Sorry.


You also over-value your opinions. It is not that you always speak the Truth so keep your lectures with you.

Originally posted by Gideon
You can't define the circumstances. Really takes the shazam! out of the damn feat. And, I never said it wasn't impressive. But Sidious's use of lightning is much moreso.

That's your opinion. We don't have a picture of Revan's Lightning but we do know that he was a master practitioner of Lightning as well.

Originally posted by Gideon
You're a walking contradiction, y'know.

No! I don't really take these debates very seriously. It is not very important for me. I just participate and thats it.

Originally posted by Gideon
How many makes up an army is open to interpretation. Bottom line: Sidious's feats > Revan's feats. This would include lightning.

This is not the case. Both have done some impressive things in their lives. Sidious was over-all more impressive.

Originally posted by Gideon
:erm:

If anyone's making "stupid" anything, it would be you.


You too have made a stupid assertion now in your above lines.

Originally posted by Gideon
Did I say that you said otherwise? Jeez. Anyways, let's use logic here. If Sidious is more powerful... then his lightning would logically be stronger as well, right?

Guess that thought never occured to you? 😕


This is the most stupid assertion. It is not true that Sidious will be above all Sith Lords in each and every ability. I have quoted an example above.

Example: Bastilla was a master in Meditation Abilities. Now Sidious also knew Meditation and even Revan as well. Does this means that Bastilla is over-all more powerful then Sidious and Revan?

No! Mastery in an ability is not just limited to the over-all power of a Jedi. So my point stands.

Originally posted by Gideon
Actually, yeah, you have. It's pretty much the reason we're debating this. You're denying that Sidious's lightning is more powerful. Why? Well, one can only guess.

Their is not fact behind this so I have do not accept this.

In KOTOR games, you can master Lightning to its highest forms.

Originally posted by Gideon
If you followed canon, then you'd understand that Sidious's lightning would be stronger than Revan's. 😉

Logical Fallasy here. No proper evidence available.

Originally posted by Gideon
Well, really, it's not much of a debate. It's me telling you that you're wrong and I'm right - and I'm proving it.

No! you have put up a wrong assertion and I have proved it to be wrong in one of my above statements.

Originally posted by Gideon
So you're calling me an idiot, despite me using logic better than you, and proving you wrong to the point where it's getting a bit redundant? Riiight...

Your logics are as flawed as mine.

Originally posted by Gideon
Don't you always start out your arguments with something like "NO! You are wrong! Waa!"

I believe you did that to me earlier, lol, but we know how that went. 😎

Please. You quit acting like a dumb child, and I'll stop acting like a mean one.


I will be more careful but I have the right to state my opinions. If you disagree then try to convince me or let go the debate.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lol. You can read minds, now? o0

Another stupid assertion from you.

Are you saying revans lightning > sidious? Firstly S_w_legend as much as i like you, please dont make ridiculous claims, How would you even know that revan used lightning to whoop the rakatas ass? He could have used his lightsaber(rakatas dont know what it is and they can call it "magic"😉 he could have used lightning and he could have used other powers.

Nothing at all indicates he killed the scouting part instantly

Prove to me that how being more powerful makes you better with Lightning as well.

Wow. You're pulling stuff out of your ass, now. When did I say that? Oh, wait. I thought I was proving my point by offering evidence of Sidious's lightning being stronger, which you - of course - try to argue against.

Bane also executed a huge form of Force Lightning. Does this means that he is stronger then Sidious?

Has Bane's lightning wiped out a small army? Has Bane's lightning mortally wounded Jedi with single blasts? Has Bane's lightning reduced three very powerful Prophets to charred remains in a single blast?

No. 🙂

Bane's lightning isn't more powerful than Sidious's.

Term "mastery" is not defined by just power of a Jedi or Sith. A powerful Jedi can be better in one ability then others but he/she could be lesser in other ability then others.

Lol, you've really got no point here, do ya?

I can insult you as well. So keep this in mind. And it is better to stay Civil in these kinds of debates.

Lmao, you already have insulted me. So, really, don't lecture on being civil. Like I said: a walking contradiction.

Once again this is not a fixed thing. Some Sith Lords have demonstrated more mastery then Sidious in certain abilities.

Prove it.

Example: Nihilus demonstrated more mastery in Drain then Sidious. Does this means that Nihilus is more powerful then Sidious?

Please.

Nihilus's hunger surpassed Sidious; not his drain. Sidious also drained planets. The only difference is, he did so for experimental purposes and for maintaining his health due to the toll the dark side was taking on him. Nihilus WTFdrained things because he had a never ending appetite.

So keep your stupid logics with you.

😆

If my logic is stupid, what does that make yours? Uberstupid?

Your case is not any better as well.

Do you practice this in a mirror or something, lol? Just because your logic is failing, doesn't mean that mine is.

You keep on saying that if a Jedi is more powerful then the other jedi, then this means that he/she is better in everything then the less powerful Jedi. This is utterly rubbish and false.

When have I said that?

I defend him to a certain extend and I try not to over-hype his abilities. But you are doing that in case of Sidious.

Oh, I see. So, by offering accounts of Sidious's superiority, I am overhyping his abilities. But when you defend him without proof or conclusive evidence and say that his power is equal to or greater than Sidious's own (when it comes to lightning), you are "defending him to a certain extent".

You also over-value your opinions. It is not that you always speak the Truth so keep your lectures with you.

[LeGenD] Wrong! [/LeGenD]

I am speaking the truth. Otherwise, you'd have refuted it by now.

That's your opinion. We don't have a picture of Revan's Lightning but we do know that he was a master practitioner of Lightning as well.

Yeah, you totally ignored the example of Yoda up there, didn't ya? Some "masters" are better than other "masters". Kind've like Sidious and Revan. Revan may be a master lightning practitioner, lol, but Sidious is the stronger one.

No! I don't really take these debates very seriously. It is not very important for me. I just participate and thats it.

Translation: I am indeed a walking contradiction!

This is not the case. Both have done some impressive things in their lives. Sidious was over-all more impressive.

Disagree? Oh, well, then prove it.

You too have made a stupid assertion now in your above lines.

Like I said. Just because you've lost doesn't mean that my assertions (which are backed by canon) are wrong or stupid as well. Sorry.

This is the most stupid assertion. It is not true that Sidious will be above all Sith Lords in each and every ability. I have quoted an example above.

Yeah, and your example got curbstomped.

Example: Bastilla was a master in Meditation Abilities. Now Sidious also knew Meditation and even Revan as well. Does this means that Bastilla is over-all more powerful then Sidious and Revan?

No, lol, because there's no proof that Bastilla's meditation surpassed Sidious's. Sidious may very well be the most potent user of battle meditation ever, either. What he did to the Imperial Starfleet (if you've ever read the RotJ novelization) is hand-in-hand with mind control. He completely dominated them in every way, and even Thrawn makes it clear.

And he maintained control of the fleet even during his confrontation with Luke and Vader.

So, yeah. Pretty much thinking Sidious > Bastilla there, too. 🙂

No! Mastery in an ability is not just limited to the over-all power of a Jedi. So my point stands.

Your point kind've reminds me of Darth Maul. Bisected and at the bottom of Theed's melting pit.

Their is not fact behind this so I have do not accept this

In KOTOR games, you can master Lightning to its highest forms.

I hear the dumbass klaxon ringing. Sidious is the more potent caster of Force lightning.

Logical Fallasy here. No proper evidence available.

Bingo! You don't have proper evidence to support your point, so you try (and fail) to question mine.

No! you have put up a wrong assertion and I have proved it to be wrong in one of my above statements.

Oh, the workings of a deluded mind.

Your logics are as flawed as mine.

No. Your logics are more flawed than Planet's one-time belief that Freedon Nadd was the Chosen One. Seriously, I'd probably believe that over any garbage you spill out.

I will be more careful but I have the right to state my opinions. If you disagree then try to convince me or let go the debate.

You should be the one considering letting go of the debate. Y'know, with the sheer absence of an argument on your part.

Another stupid assertion from you.

In a way, you're entertaining. I said "assertion", and wham! You try to cram it in every other line. Then you whine about "being civil!". Yeah. It's cute.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Are you saying revans lightning > sidious? Firstly S_w_legend as much as i like you, please dont make ridiculous claims, How would you even know that revan used lightning to whoop the rakatas ass? He could have used his lightsaber(rakatas dont know what it is and they can call it "magic"😉 he could have used lightning and he could have used other powers.

Nothing at all indicates he killed the scouting part instantly


I have not said that Revan's Lightning is greater then that of Sidious's Lightning. I said that both ware master practitioner's of Lightning. Thats it.

Gideon is having difficulty in understang this simple point.

I have not said that Revan's Lightning is greater then that of Sidious's Lightning. I said that both ware master practitioner's of Lightning. Thats it.

Don't lie. You did say that, but according to you, you "rectified" it. 😉

Gideon is having difficulty in understang this simple point.

Lmao. No, you're having difficulty understanding that Sidious's lightning is more potent than Revan's. 😉

Originally posted by Gideon
Wow. You're pulling stuff out of your ass, now. When did I say that? Oh, wait. I thought I was proving my point by offering evidence of Sidious's lightning being stronger, which you - of course - try to argue against.

What does this comment means then: Anyways, let's use logic here. If Sidious is more powerful... then his lightning would logically be stronger as well, right?

You are obviously blind to your own statements.

That Lightning Feat (in image) could be performed by any master Lightning practitioner. It requires great affinity in Force and Revan and Bane were both sufficiently strong in the Force to perform that Feat.

Originally posted by Gideon
Has Bane's lightning wiped out a small army? Has Bane's lightning mortally wounded Jedi with single blasts? Has Bane's lightning reduced three very powerful Prophets to charred remains in a single blast?

No. 🙂

Bane's lightning isn't more powerful than Sidious's.


What would have happened if Bane's Lightning would have hit them? Obviously those soldiers would be dead.

Logic really lacks in your statements and you try to twist your comments to change the dynamics of debates and this is your weakness.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lol, you've really got no point here, do ya?

I have posted a simple logical statement that you can't understand.

Originally posted by Gideon
Prove it.

Sure!

- Bastilla's meditation ability was better then that of Sidious. She could destroy the moral of an entire fleet of an enemy and make them weak. And at the same time make the other fleet fully perfect in terms of every move.

- Nihilus's Drain is more devastating then that of Sidious. He drained entire worlds in an instant. His Drain consumed Force itself.

- Freedon Nadd could hit a Jedi from Light Years away. Something Sidious has not done.

Originally posted by Gideon
Please.

Nihilus's hunger surpassed Sidious; not his drain. Sidious also drained planets. The only difference is, he did so for experimental purposes and for maintaining his health due to the toll the dark side was taking on him. Nihilus WTFdrained things because he had a never ending appetite.


His hunger fueled his Draining abilities. His Drain not just drained people but also consumed the Force itself.

Originally posted by Gideon
😆

If my logic is stupid, what does that make yours? Uberstupid?


Your logic is biased towards Sidious.

Originally posted by Gideon
Do you practice this in a mirror or something, lol? Just because your logic is failing, doesn't mean that mine is.

Your biasedness towards Sidious is what has made you blind in this debate.

Originally posted by Gideon
When have I said that?

Comment Reposted: Anyways, let's use logic here. If Sidious is more powerful... then his lightning would logically be stronger as well, right?

Originally posted by Gideon
Oh, I see. So, by offering accounts of Sidious's superiority, I am overhyping his abilities. But when you defend him without proof or conclusive evidence and say that his power is equal to or greater than Sidious's own (when it comes to lightning), you are "defending him to a certain extent".

Master practitioners of Lightning do not have edge over others in terms of Lightning in Combat situations. Those who practice this, surely know how to defend against this.

Originally posted by Gideon
[LeGenD] Wrong! [/LeGenD]

I am speaking the truth. Otherwise, you'd have refuted it by now.


No! you even deny your own comments. Hints are already above.

Originally posted by Gideon
Yeah, you totally ignored the example of Yoda up there, didn't ya? Some "masters" are better than other "masters". Kind've like Sidious and Revan. Revan may be a master lightning practitioner, lol, but Sidious is the stronger one.

Their is no canonical evidence to suggest that Sidious's Lightning is strongest then that of all others. This is your own assumption. But if their is such evidence then post it here and I will accept it.

Originally posted by Gideon
Translation: I am indeed a walking contradiction!

This comment suits you now well.

Originally posted by Gideon
Disagree? Oh, well, then prove it.

Prove what? That Sidious's performance is over-all more impressive? You surely fail to understand simple logics, which is pathetic. Are you drunk or something?

Originally posted by Gideon
Like I said. Just because you've lost doesn't mean that my assertions (which are backed by canon) are wrong or stupid as well. Sorry.

Where it is canonically stated that Sidious's Lightning is most powerful then that of all others?

Originally posted by Gideon
Yeah, and your example got curbstomped.

Nopes!

Originally posted by Gideon
No, lol, because there's no proof that Bastilla's meditation surpassed Sidious's. Sidious may very well be the most potent user of battle meditation ever, either. What he did to the Imperial Starfleet (if you've ever read the RotJ novelization) is hand-in-hand with mind control. He completely dominated them in every way, and even Thrawn makes it clear.

Again you are making a personal assumption that Sidious may be the most potent user of Battle Meditation in Star Wars Galaxy, which is not said anywhere. He commanded the Imperial Fleet and was ruler of Empire. He used Mind Domination abilities but he did not demonstrated what Bastilla has demonstrated.

Originally posted by Gideon
And he maintained control of the fleet even during his confrontation with Luke and Vader.

So, yeah. Pretty much thinking Sidious > Bastilla there, too. 🙂


He had obvious advantage of Death Star. He said that the rebellion was in-significant. And he was more concentrating on Luke then on his fleet as shown in the movies. Plus! Death Star was protected by the Shield that would have to be de-activated before Rebel Forces could make a move.

It was not like what Bastilla was doing on Star Forge. Bastilla turned the tide in war without any Death Star or something and simply through her Battle Meditation.

Two very different cases here.

Originally posted by Gideon
Your point kind've reminds me of Darth Maul. Bisected and at the bottom of Theed's melting pit.

You remind of those people who think that they are always right.

Originally posted by Gideon
I hear the dumbass klaxon ringing. Sidious is the more potent caster of Force lightning.

Prove this through an official statement and I will accept it. Also post the link of that evidence.

Originally posted by Gideon
Bingo! You don't have proper evidence to support your point, so you try (and fail) to question mine.

You have not proved your point yet so your case is not better then mine.

Originally posted by Gideon
Oh, the workings of a deluded mind.

I can say the same thing about you.

Originally posted by Gideon
No. Your logics are more flawed than Planet's one-time belief that Freedon Nadd was the Chosen One. Seriously, I'd probably believe that over any garbage you spill out.

I have not stated that kind of garbage. Your assumption is wrong.

Originally posted by Gideon
You should be the one considering letting go of the debate. Y'know, with the sheer absence of an argument on your part.

In a way, you're entertaining. I said "assertion", and wham! You try to cram it in every other line. Then you whine about "being civil!". Yeah. It's cute.


You also let go the debate then.

Originally posted by Gideon
Don't lie. You did say that, but according to you, you "rectified" it. 😉

Blind people like you can never understand. I have addressed that issue already so get over it.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lmao. No, you're having difficulty understanding that Sidious's lightning is more potent than Revan's. 😉 [/B]

Provide me written evidence with Link that Sidious's Lightning is most powerful.

Everyone wants to spout this shit about Nadd attacking from light years away, but fail to mention that Vodo received absolutely NO injuries. So really, point moot.