Darth Nihilus vs. Yoda

And at the very end, there's very little proof that Yoda new the special fallanassi technique despite what lightsnake is saying about Yoda knowing them.

You mean Yoda knowing the Fallanassi personally?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yoda

I know Wookie isn't exactly the most reliable thing in the world, but I kinda find it interesting that it doesn't list the Black Fleet Crisis as a source that Yoda is mentioned in...

Could you maybe give a direct quote that proves that they were acquainted?

Perhaps you shouldn't use SW Wiki as a source? Especially when it doesn't list a single book as a Yoda source when he's mentioned in numerous ones? Seriously, does it seem strange to you that Yoda isn't mentioned in ANY books under those sources ones?

Well I could check, do you know what is said, or where abouts it is said?

Wialu just tells Luke The Fallanassi knew the Jedi of old and was saddened by their passing? She's also saddened at Yoda's passing

In Courtship of Princess Leia, Mother Rell says she knew Yoda centuries ago

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Wialu just tells Luke The Fallanassi knew the Jedi of old and was saddened by their passing? She's also saddened at Yoda's passing

In Courtship of Princess Leia, Mother Rell says she knew Yoda centuries ago

Ok lightsnake, but does that in any way equate to him knowing the Fallanassi technique? OF course not. I can just as easily say "Well Jacen knew Luke personally", but does that mean Luke taught him the emerald lightning? Of course not, it's all speculation, and not logical.

You mean someone as knowledgable and knowledge seeking as Yoda who spent his entire life fighting the Dark Side wouldn't benefit from that?

I suppose Jacen was just boozing with the Fallanassi when HE visited them

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You mean someone as knowledgable and knowledge seeking as Yoda who spent his entire life fighting the Dark Side wouldn't benefit from that?

I suppose Jacen was just boozing with the Fallanassi when HE visited them

And yet again you're missing the point. There is NO proof that Yoda learned the looping technique from them. There's not even logical deduction for it either as I've just stated. Jacen also learned from Luke Skywalker but he still doesn't know techniques X, Y, Z, etc. So you saying "Oh Yoda knew 1 fallanassi MAYBE so he MUST know the technique" is both invalid, and illogical.

Isn't emerald lightning just a nickname given to Luke's incredible grasp of electric judgement, 'cause Jacen knows electric judgement, and so the analogy doesn't apply.

No, it's a better technique that would be classified as an instakill. Luke also has force lightning but they are two different things mind you. And the Jacen learning from the Fallanassi analogy is also invalid, considering Jacen went on a 5 year hiatus JUST to study ALL the aspects of the force.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And yet again you're missing the point. There is NO proof that Yoda learned the looping technique from them. There's not even logical deduction for it either as I've just stated. Jacen also learned from Luke Skywalker but he still doesn't know techniques X, Y, Z, etc. So you saying "Oh Yoda knew 1 fallanassi MAYBE so he MUST know the technique" is both invalid, and illogical.

He was clsoe to the Fallanassi so it's likely he learned from them as well. Especially when you consider what Tholme could do and the nature of Vaapad has with the loops

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ther'es a logical basis for it and that's what is required.
Yoda spent his life learning technqiues and fighting the Dark Side. He consulted Sith holocrons to discover their techniques and how to fight the,

He was clsoe to the Fallanassi so it's likely he learned from them as well. Especially when you consider what Tholme could do and the nature of Vaapad has with the loops

There is no logical basis for your argument lightsnake. Now if you were to say "Sidious more than likely knows the looping technique because he has come across the fallanassi", then it has a logical basis, because Sidious hungered for power and studied every aspect of the force. Yoda spent 900 years studying but wasn't hellbent on knowing every aspect of the force, so if Yoda ever DID come across a Fallanassi, there's no reason to think "Oh that means he knows technique X, Y, and Z".

Yoda wasn't hellbent on knowing every aspect, but he was dedicated to fighting the Darkside and preserving the light. The Fallanassi ways, The White Current, were sought after and extremely valuable.
Yoda did not just 'come across them', he knew them very well. His Order were friends to the Fallanassi and Yoda was apparently personal friends wthWialu

Yoda was a great teacher AND learner. He never missed an opportunity to do either.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda wasn't hellbent on knowing every aspect, but he was dedicated to fighting the Darkside and preserving the light. The Fallanassi ways, The White Current, were sought after and extremely valuable.
Yoda did not just 'come across them', he knew them very well. His Order were friends to the Fallanassi and Yoda was apparently personal friends wthWialu

Yoda was a great teacher AND learner. He never missed an opportunity to do either.

Your argument is based on biased speculation. You assume that he wanted their knowledge, you assume that he knew them well, etc. So by your logic, he knew force lightning, Sidious' instakill, etc. Seriously lightsnake no offense, but you don't have an argument. You, one again, have speculation based on bias.

No, I assume Yoda, who loved learning and knowledge above all else, would have taken the chance to learn and teach. The Fallanassi were servants of the light side and Yoda learned all he could on that front
Again: Yoda would never learn Force lightning or a dark side technique because it goes against his principles. He learned how to defend against those.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, I assume Yoda, who loved learning and knowledge above all else, would have taken the chance to learn and teach. The Fallanassi were servants of the light side and Yoda learned all he could on that front
Again: Yoda would never learn Force lightning or a dark side technique because it goes against his principles. He learned how to defend against those.

Ok then get a third party into this debate so we don't have an episode from this morning. Someone unbiased like Escape. I stand by the fact that your argument is speculatory and biased.

Yeah, I'd actually say there's sufficient proof to assume that Yoda would know of this looping technique, but it would be nice if someone could explain a bit about the technique here.

Surely. I'm talking to escape now

The visual guide seems to imply it: "a great traveler in his younger years, Yoda has visited hundreds of worlds on his own, spending years learning different lifeways and appreciating the Force." I'd say that if he met up with the Falanassi, it is logical to assume that he would attempt to learn from them.