Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Adn the many times he was hit, grabbed, and tossed away. But nevertheless even Carnage is much harder to dodge than guys like Cap. 😬
due to the fact that he doesn't trigger spidey's spider sense not neseccarily because he's faster which was the point.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's inconsistent because you are using feats where slower characters
see this right here is what we're talking about...
what makes these character's slower to a degree that there will be any descernable difference?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's who have had less experience around them have dodged them fine, but a faster character with precog can't, it doesn't make sense.
It only doesn't make sense if you negate the capabilities of these other characters, which is what you're side is doing.
and again, you missed the first point in that spidey dodging the tenticals isn't a good statute of comparison, spidey doesn't dodge them as a standard.. but if you want to make the argument that he can, then it so to shall be argued that these "slower" characters have delt with ock just fine.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No I'm not, because bullets are really big jobbers. There isn't any way around this.
yes you are helping my argument you just don't see it yet.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because Spiderman would be one of the only street levelers able to dodge a bullet in the first place. The rest can't fully move out of the way between the latency time of a bullet firing and it pursuing its target. That's nonsense. They simply aren't fast enough even *if* they had the reflexes of Spiderman. But these same characters have a harder time up close than with bullets for no other reason for the fight to look more interesting. Especially ones like Spiderman.
this only makes sense if you're willing to again ignore the capabilities of a peak human.. but I think we're close to a major breakthrough here...
so far it seems that you dictate that we can't use random feats due to jobbing, we can't use direct comparison's due to lowering of standards and such... so what then are you using to determine these finalities C?
If it's "logic", I must again defer to the position that logic's only as acceptable as it's source.. in the marvel 616 universe, the source says it's perfectly acceptable for these peak humans to do these things on the daily... If we're going to apply real world logic... we can't do it subjectively but we' ve already been down this road.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There's no real good reason why he should have more trouble dodging a fist than a bullet, we could make a discussion on it now and the favour would definitely be on the bullet, especially when it comes from an experienced marksman. They aren't going to have their characters shot up all day, but they know their characters can take some punches as well. Bullets are simply jobbers, there to make the other character look good. Oldest trick in the book.
so we ignore feats?
see I don't follow that "logic" a character is defined by what they do, you can't simply ignore what you don't like in a fictionalized media....
however in concerning bullets.. bullet have a defnite linear path, arms and legs do not, bullets also don't have fighting ability, and the ability to strategize, fighters do.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't see where running 60 mph (10 mph slower than he tosses his shield being bs anyways) and being "slightly above an Olympic athlete" is faster than 40x.
how about moving so fast it looked like he evaporated?
and again with this olympic nonsense... daredevil breaks olympic records doing his half assed building hopping routine on a nightly basis after 2+ hours of doing it, none of these guys are NEAR olympic level and you should know that by now, that handbook crap is almost never accurate so there's no need to reguritate it here.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
1. How would you know?
cause he's never landed 40 blows on a human before they could throw one.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
2. Why would he lie to the person he tells all of his deepest darkest secrets. It's like he just said he could lift 100 tons for no reason. Peter isn't the type to boost his ego, he sells himself short.
did you see what she was wearing? he wasn't using his right mind! 😛
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Richards did to a test on it..
Issue number?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sure he has, and he is listed as such... Artists will simply use certain animations to make their character look faster. All depends on interpretation and evidence you wish to use.
other than saying so, no he hasn't... he isn't listed as such either.. he's one tier above peak humans in terms of speed... and I highly call into question whether that's foot speed or fighting speed.
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