Atheism

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Hitler a Christian? Stop fooling yourself...

[list][*]Hitler was born and baptized into Catholicism.

[*]His Jewish antisemitism came from his Christian background.

[*]His early personal notes shows his interest in religion and Biblical views.

[*]He believed that the Bible represented the history of mankind.

[*]His Nazi party platform included a section on Positive Christianity, and he never removed it.

[*]He confessed his Christianity.

[*]He tried to establish a united Reich German Church.

[*]Hitler allowed the destruction of Jewish synagogues and temples, but not Christian churches.

[*]He encouraged Nazis to worship in Christian churches.

[*]He spoke of his Christian beliefs in his speeches and proclamations.

[*]His contemporaries, friends, Protestant ministers and Catholics priests, including the Vatican, thought of Hitler as a Christian.

[*]The Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler. He died a Catholic.[/list]

Catholicism is not Christianity, mind you. Plus, many people such as George Bush hide behind this veil of Christianity to get support from people. He is non-Christian, so was Hitler. Being a Christian means submitting to Jesus Christ and doing God's Will. You're supposed to humble yourself, not look down on other races. Since Hitler did the direct opposite, calling him a Christian is an invalid statement.

If you want to know the real (and only) definition of Christianity, I urge you to look to the Gospel Brethren. Only then will you discover that God and Truth are inseperable.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Catholicism is not Christianity, mind you.

That will come as a great surprise to Catholics considering that the Catholic church is the first Christian church.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Catholicism is not Christianity, mind you. Plus, many people such as George Bush hide behind this veil of Christianity to get support from people. He is non-Christian, so was Hitler. Being a Christian means submitting to Jesus Christ and doing God's Will. You're supposed to humble yourself, not look down on other races. Since Hitler did the direct opposite, calling him a Christian is an invalid statement.

If you want to know the real (and only) definition of Christianity, I urge you to look to the Gospel Brethren. Only then will you discover that God and Truth are inseperable.

oh dear God in heaven he's turning into Marchello

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's the fact that the article says Jesus healed her, but doesn't SHOW HOW HE HEALED HER. It's just a case of, "You got better, you prayed, therefore Jesus did it." how is that supposed to prove it?

Exactly. Jesus must have healed her somehow, but the story convieniently refrains from revealing that part.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
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" Please show me evidence where Hitler says he didn't believe in God and where he believed in Evolution." Is very off topic isn't it?
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The very idea that Hitler believed the aryan race to be the dominant of all races clearly shows that he believed them to be the more evolved race of humans. He also stated in the Olympic games (the year Germany hosted it when Hitler was in power), "It is unfair that my athletes have to compete against this animal", after a black american won one of the track events. It fully signifies that according to his beliefs, black-skinned people have not fully evolved from the animal he thinks humans used to be: monkeys.

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I must ask, what has Hitler got to do with Atheism? Does Hitler preach atheism? Do atheist learn about Hitler like he's a prophet or something?
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He spread his idea that the aryan race were not just the more dominant in the world, but universally as a whole. This shows that he didnt believe in a higher being (God), and this belief deemed him an atheist. Of course, he wasnt concerned with saying "I am an atheist" since he was too busy with hatred and mass murder.

* Hitler was born and baptized into Catholicism.

* His Jewish antisemitism came from his Christian background.

* His early personal notes shows his interest in religion and Biblical views.

* He believed that the Bible represented the history of mankind.

* His Nazi party platform included a section on Positive Christianity, and he never removed it.

* He confessed his Christianity.

* He tried to establish a united Reich German Church.

* Hitler allowed the destruction of Jewish synagogues and temples, but not Christian churches.

* He encouraged Nazis to worship in Christian churches.

* He spoke of his Christian beliefs in his speeches and proclamations.

* His contemporaries, friends, Protestant ministers and Catholics priests, including the Vatican, thought of Hitler as a Christian.

* The Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler. He died a Catholic.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/boyhood.htm

Catholicism is not Christianity, mind you. Plus, many people such as George Bush hide behind this veil of Christianity to get support from people. He is non-Christian, so was Hitler. Being a Christian means submitting to Jesus Christ and doing God's Will. You're supposed to humble yourself, not look down on other races. Since Hitler did the direct opposite, calling him a Christian is an invalid statement.

If you want to know the real (and only) definition of Christianity, I urge you to look to the Gospel Brethren. Only then will you discover that God and Truth are inseperable.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
there's this really interesting book by Hitler called Mein Campf

according to it his religion did inspire his genocide

Have you actually read Mein Kampf, or is that something you just guessed on.

Originally posted by Marxman
His actions were religiously driven. They were mainly racially driven but if he hadn't killed more than just Jews I would agree with you. However, when you kill Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Communists, Gays, and so on it becomes apparent that he is simply exterminating anybody different. That includes race, color, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, political ideals, etc.

And to go on with the point you tried to make, Stalin's killings weren't inspired by religion either. They were politically driven, those you opposed were executed.

No they were not. I challange you to show me at what point were his actions religiously driven.
If you remember your history lesson, Hitler used Cahtolic Church at the begining of his power because of its influence.
It counted on getting suppot for his immense hateret of Jews!

All Church related speach has been taken from Hitler's speeches from '22 to '39. Once Hitler gained power, he revealed his true intentions and thus Catholic Church had opposed him.

Jewish historian, Jenoe Leva wrote a book ''The Church Did Not Keep Silent''. I suggest you read it.
Pope at the time was instrumetal at saving 860,000 Jews from the Holocaust.

Furthermore, remembering your HISTORY lessons, 6 million Jews, and 3 million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust.

In December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine on page 38, Albert Einstein said:

''Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.''

So please, learn your history.
This sorry debate of Hitler was a Christian / his actions were Religiously driven etc. is so tiering and is very often used by people who are not well informed of the European History.

Point to look back on: Hitler didn't start hatred towards Jews, the Catholic Church did, and Hitler thought if everyone hated Jews, they should be ridded, and then thought if he ridded the Jews he would be great.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Point to look back on: Hitler didn't start hatred towards Jews, the Catholic Church did, and Hitler thought if everyone hated Jews, they should be ridded, and then thought if he ridded the Jews he would be great.

Erm no. Did you ever read any history?
The Church was instrumetal in saving over 800 000 Jews from Holocoust!

Furthermore, you said few posts back you don't remember any Catholics being killed.
3 million were actually killed.
As far as Christians as a whole go, the numbe is sagnificantly larger.

Hitler's hateret of Jews did not start cos he heard it Church say so. Thats stupid. You have not read Mein Kampf. In fact you have not reay any history. What year are you in at school?

In any case, this is not a thread about Hitler. There is one in History forum.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Erm no. Did you ever read any history?
The Church was instrumetal in saving over 800 000 Jews from Holocoust!

Furthermore, you said few posts back you don't remember any Catholics being killed.
3 million were actually killed.
As far as Christians as a whole go, the numbe is sagnificantly larger.

Hitler's hateret of Jews did not start cos he heard it Church say so. Thats stupid. You have not read Mein Kampf. In fact you have not reay any history. What year are you in at school?

In any case, this is not a thread about Hitler. There is one in History forum.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Bardock and Alliance are right, you are an idiot.

Watch what you'e saying. I will be treating this as name calling and a personal attack.
Consider yourself warned.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Have you actually read Mein Kampf, or is that something you just guessed on.

Have you read Mein Kampf?

And no but I have heard passages from it that describe Hitler talking about how it is his God given mission to purge the Jews

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Have you read Mein Kampf?

And no but I have heard passages from it that describe Hitler talking about how it is his God given mission to purge the Jews

He was a believer in Deity.
However...
A Hitler Youth marching song (quotation taken from Grunberger's A Social History):

We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and Holy Water,
The Church can go hang for all we care,
The Swastika brings salvation on Earth.

That ain't Hitler personally.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
He was a believer in Deity.
However...
A Hitler Youth marching song (quotation taken from Grunberger's A Social History):

We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and Holy Water,
The Church can go hang for all we care,
The Swastika brings salvation on Earth.

Perhaps he wasn't a Christian

Are you willing to admit he wasn't an Athiest?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Watch what you'e saying. I will be treating this as name calling and a personal attack.
Consider yourself warned.

Originally posted by Funkadelic
That ain't Hitler personally.

Atheism itself has never inspired atheists to do bad things, has it? Yes some have done bad things, most haven't, same with Christians, same with everybody. BUT there are Christians that were inspired by Christianism to do bad things.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[list][*]Hitler was born and baptized into Catholicism.

[*]His Jewish antisemitism came from his Christian background.

[*]His early personal notes shows his interest in religion and Biblical views.

[*]He believed that the Bible represented the history of mankind.

[*]His Nazi party platform included a section on Positive Christianity, and he never removed it.

[*]He confessed his Christianity.

[*]He tried to establish a united Reich German Church.

[*]Hitler allowed the destruction of Jewish synagogues and temples, but not Christian churches.

[*]He encouraged Nazis to worship in Christian churches.

[*]He spoke of his Christian beliefs in his speeches and proclamations.

[*]His contemporaries, friends, Protestant ministers and Catholics priests, including the Vatican, thought of Hitler as a Christian.

[*]The Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler. He died a Catholic.[/list]

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Perhaps he wasn't a Christian

Are you willing to admit he wasn't an Athiest?

I never said he was. Hitler is known to have been religious. He had his own idea of nature worship.

Him being religious, or atheist has nothing to do with his actions - in Mein Kampf, which you said you have some knowledge of, Hitler explcitally critisises the Church for allowing the ''racial problems'' to happen in Gemany and Europe.

His motives were not religious in nature. They were political.
Stalin did terible things in the name of poressing religion. He was an atheist, but his actions did not sprin from Atheism, but from political interest of instating pure Marxism.

As far as Hitler not being excommunicated from Catholic Church, that is wrong. All Nazis were excommunicated in 1930 and in 1932 all CAtholics were forbiden by Vatican to vote for Nazi paty.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Is this any different to when other people are called idiots?

True, this was written by one of Hitler's listeners. Who could have been an arrogant christian.

Nope, name calling is not allowed at all, so please don't argue with me futher on this. Althouh, I have just looked your profile and seen you still 14 years old.

Eitherway, please don't do it again.