The rank of "Grandmaster" could be interpreted as merely the "leading" rank in the Order; obviously a battlemaster would have to be ridiculously skilled in combat (especially when compared to his peers). Yoda would very likely win by his much superior strength and skill with the Force, but I think Kyle could easily contend with him in a saber match.
Originally posted by Gideon
The rank of "Grandmaster" could be interpreted as merely the "leading" rank in the Order; obviously a battlemaster would have to be ridiculously skilled in combat (especially when compared to his peers). Yoda would very likely win by his much superior strength and skill with the Force, but I think Kyle could easily contend with him in a saber match.
So now your sayin' Luke a Grand master would be beaten in Saber combat by Kyle plz 😎
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because you implied Kyle could beat another Grand Master in Lightsaber combat
Okay, well first, I didn't. Being able to "easily contend with someone" doesn't mean you can beat them.
Secondly, Yoda =/= Luke. Luke is a good ways more powerful than Yoda. Kyle would give Yoda more trouble than he would Luke.
Battle 1: Jedi Master Yoda vs. Kyp Durron
A. Lightsaber duel - Yoda takes this. Kyp's a very unbalanced Jedi with very little emphasis on saber skills. Yoda takes this will some difficulty, but not much.
B. Force duel - Kyp has the win here. With the exception of Luke he's the strongest Jedi ever when it comes to Force Powers. For example, in Star by Star Kyp was able to shove a freighter with the Force with very little effort. He was also able to control a black hole and showed less signs of drain afterwards than even Luke did. Yoda's just not up to Kyp's level here.
C. Overall (added by me to decide who fights in round 7) - I'd give this to Kyp. He's not good enough to defeat Yoda with his saber, but he'd be plenty able to hold Yoda off and defeat him with Force Powers.
Battle 2: Darth Sidious/Palpatine vs. Jacen Solo
A. Lightsaber duel - Jacen has been stated to be more powerful than Kyp Durron in one of the more recent books. Jacen was able to fight four Slayers at the same time which puts him extremely high in saber skills; high enough, I think, to defeat Sidious.
B. Force duel - Sidious has it here. Jacen has a large knowledge of exotic Force Powers but has shown little in the way of pure power. Sidious takes him down.
C. Overall - I'm leaning towards Jacen here. He's plenty skilled to take Sidious in a saber fight but would lose in a pure Force Battle. I think that his Force Powers are enough to hold off Sidious' attacks and he should be able to kill Sidious with his saber.
Battle 3: Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku vs. Jaina Solo
A. Lightsaber duel - Dooku wins. Jaina really not that impressive with her saber. She spends way to much time as a pilot and not enough time training.
B. Force duel - Same as the saber battle. Jaina isn't that powerful here.
C. Overall - Dooku for sure. I honestly don't know why she was labled the Sword of the Jedi. She's really not to great of a fighter.
Battle 4: Anakin Skywalker vs. Anakin Solo & Tahiri Veila
A. Lightsaber duel - This is hard to decided. Anakin Solo is very capable and I wouldn't be surprised if he won. However, Tahiri isn't up to par and Solo might end up dying trying to protect her. I'd give this to Skywalker.
B. Force duel - To close to call. Solo is very capable and with Tahiri's help could convievably win, but I'm not sure.
C. Overall - This goes to Skywalker, but just barely. Solo gets killed because he spends to much time looking out for Tahiri.
Battle 5: Mace Windu vs. Coron Horn
A. Lightsaber duel - Well, firstly it's Corran, not Coron. Anyway, this goes to Corran. I know that many people don't think of him as very good, but I personally put him above the likes of Kyle. In fact, I think he could give *gasp* Luke a tough time. Why do I think he's so good? Because he can take a hit from a lightsaber and only recieve minor charring of the skin. Even if Mace manages to land a hit on him it won't hurt Corran much and would allow for Corran to win.
B. Force duel - This goes to Corran also. Corran is not very well known for his Force powers, but they are very power. His alter mind technique is so power than he was able to control the minds of more than ten other trainee's, plus Luke Skywalker, for a period of time and make them think that he was lifting a giant rock into the air.
C. Overall - This goes to Corran, obviously, as he is better with both the Force and the lightsaber. Shatter
Battle 6: Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Ganner Rhysode
A. Lightsaber duel - I'm giving this to Obi-wan. Ganner is awsome but he's not that strong except in the final moments before he died (during that time he could possibly have taken Luke!).
B. Force duel - Again going to Obi-wan. Ganner cool-ness comes from the fact that he really isn't a very good Jedi but somehow still manages to come out on top despite his inferior skills. However, he's just not up to Obi-wan's level.
C. Overall - Since Obi-wan is better with both the Force and saber he obviously wins.
All PT members who makes it passed this battle-
vs. NJO Luke Skywalker
Ahem. Obi-wan and Dooku vs. Luke? I'm not even going to break this down into sabers and the Force. Luke wins both.
I don't agree with Jacen being more powerful than Sidious, at least not yet. Yes the extent of his force skills come close to rivaling Sidious', or even surpassing him, but he does not yet have Sidious' mastery of the force. And as I recall, him being able to fight four slayers does not put him above anybody else. I can go in the ring toe to toe with Mike Tyson but I'd get my ass beat.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Jacen not only went up against the Slayers, he defeated several of them. He definately didn't get his ass beat.
How would this feat put him above Sidious? This is where the bullshit inconsistencies come in. In one story you have Jacen rival only Luke, in another you have Jacen not coming close..
A single Slayer was enough to overwhelm Kyp. Jacen handled 4 of them. That's freakin impressive, enough so as to put him above Sidious in my book. Think about it. the Slayers are the very strongest strongest warriors out of an entire society of trillions of beings that is dedicated to combat. They're good. And what's this about inconsistencies?
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
A single Slayer was enough to overwhelm Kyp. Jacen handled 4 of them. That's freakin impressive, enough so as to put him above Sidious in my book. Think about it. the Slayers are the very strongest strongest warriors out of an entire society of trillions of beings that is dedicated to combat. They're good. And what's this about inconsistencies?
Four slayers puts Jacen above DE Sidious, yet Luke destroying an entire army of slayers won't get him past Exar Kun(as you like to use IKC's arguments)? Interesting Glentract. What could Sidious do? Oh thats right, create a force storm that would destroy an entire army of Vong Slayers, without actually having to fight any of them. Not to mention his force speed is insane.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Four slayers puts Jacen above DE Sidious,
It's ROTS Sidious, moron.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
yet Luke destroying an entire army of slayers won't get him past Exar Kun(as you like to use IKC's arguments)?
I'd hardly consider seven an army. And I've said many times that Luke would take Exar.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Interesting Glentract. What could Sidious do? Oh thats right, create a force storm that would destroy an entire army of Vong Slayers, without actually having to fight any of them.
ROTS Sidious can't use Force Storm.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Not to mention his force speed is insane.
There are people who have superior Force Speed. Prove Sidious' is above Jacen's.