The point is that sidious could also be alone nad have his privacy in order to teach dooku dark side aspects, and don't tell he didn't knew the dark side. In fact it was the dark side how powered him up in his later life. In this case is much possible sidious sometimes practised his lightsaber skill...
Originally posted by kamhal
The point is that sidious could also be alone nad have his privacy in order to teach dooku dark side aspects, and don't tell he didn't knew the dark side. In fact it was the dark side how powered him up in his later life. In this case is much possible sidious sometimes practised his lightsaber skill...
He kept his lightsaber in a statue that was present since his first term as Chancellor. The RotS novelization confirms it. So he didn't touch a lightsaber for about 13 years.
Sorry I'm a few days late. Been real busy recently.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Well we have an ancient sith like Naga Sadow that was never shown to do anything special with a saber. I can name others but the point is just because you haven't seen it, doesn't make it so. Force abilities and combat prowess aren't necessarily synonymous with each other, and you can't prove it.
Do they increase in proportion to one another? No, but we have yet to see a single person with amazing Force Powers that can at least hold his own with a lightsaber. Kyp isn't going to totally suck with a saber, yet the Slayers were so good that he lost to one. Four times that, and a win, make Jacen awsome with a saber.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
The statement you provided is nowhere near being clear cut, nor is there anywhere that states Yoda is the best of all Jedi, in those exact words. And since when does Vergere's opinion make it fact? She wanted Jacen to be the chosen sith to lead the galaxy, so you can call her opinion "biased".
Why are you talking about Yoda? I'm totally confused now.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What argument do you want me to make? That he's stronger? YOU are the one that claims Jacen is stronger, and you have yet to prove it. Instead of proving it, you offer me a counterargument?
Yeah, I have claimed that Jacen is stronger and I have backed it with proof. If you want to prove that I am wrong you not only have to disprove my arguments but also creates new arguments for Sidious.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You have provided proof that Jacen is stronger because he fought four slayers? What is it with people these days spewing out nonsense and then claiming they have an argument. You do NOT have an argument by stating Jacen is powerful because he took on four slayers.
Are you claiming that the ONLY argument I have made is that he defeated four Slayers?
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
So your admitting that the Slayers argument puts Jacen ahead of Sidious?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No Glentract Jesus, do you know how to read? I said that the only argument you have made(albeit an invalid and unsound argument), is that Jacen defeating four slayers puts him ahead of Sidious.
Well you're wrong. Here are some examples (but are not all of my arguments).
1. Jacen is 100% immune to pain. Even if Sidious managed to stab a hole through Jacen or chop off one of his arms, which he won't get the chance to do, it wouldn't stop Jacen or even slow him down for more than a second or two.
2. Jacen has been directly stated to be more powerful than Kyp Durron. Kyp is more powerful than Sidious.
3. Jacen's Force Phantom (he and Luke were fighting eachother from lightyears apart in the form of Force Phantoms due to Lumiya's trickery) was able to give Luke a very hard time. He certainly rivals Luke, there is no inconsistency in that.
4. Jacen was able to shrug off Raynar's influence more easily then Luke. Raynar direcly stated that this was because Jacen was to powerful for anyone to control.
There are others that I have posted as well, but I'll leave you with these for now.
1. Jacen is 100% immune to pain. Even if Sidious managed to stab a hole through Jacen or chop off one of his arms, which he won't get the chance to do, it wouldn't stop Jacen or even slow him down for more than a second or two.
That will save him from getting his head lobbed off how? How does that even matter? You do remember Sidious took his own force Lightning in his face...the same lightning that nearly caused Mace Windu to choke on the ozone from his Lightsaber.
2. Jacen has been directly stated to be more powerful than Kyp Durron. Kyp is more powerful than Sidious.
LOL! Kyp is stronger now!
3. Jacen's Force Phantom (he and Luke were fighting eachother from lightyears apart in the form of Force Phantoms due to Lumiya's trickery) was able to give Luke a very hard time. He certainly rivals Luke, there is no inconsistency in that4. Jacen was able to shrug off Raynar's influence more easily then Luke. Raynar direcly stated that this was because Jacen was to powerful for anyone to control.
So now Jacen > Luke because Unuthrul wasn't able to control him, yet his force phantom loses to Luke in LOTF...makes sense doesn't it...
If thats all you have then I'd suggest you stop with this argument...
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
That will save him from getting his head lobbed off how? How does that even matter? You do remember Sidious took his own force Lightning in his face...the same lightning that nearly caused Mace Windu to choke on the ozone from his Lightsaber.
What makes you think that Sidious would ever manage to decapitate Jacen? Jacen has shown himself to be the superior fighter. And notice that Jacen is immune to pain where Sidious was screaming when he was getting hit by lightning.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
LOL! Kyp is stronger now!
Kyp has been stronger than ROTS Sidious for a long time.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
So now Jacen > Luke because Unuthrul wasn't able to control him, yet his force phantom loses to Luke in LOTF...makes sense doesn't it...If thats all you have then I'd suggest you stop with this argument...
Are you retarded? When did I ever say that Jacen > Luke?
What makes you think that Sidious would ever manage to decapitate Jacen? Jacen has shown himself to be the superior fighter. And notice that Jacen is immune to pain where Sidious was screaming when he was getting hit by lightning.
His uber speed. Glad you could notice the acting taking place on Sidious behalf, I'm sure you could also notice how he gets up a second after that with a smile on his face. Jacen has shown to be the superior fighter? Examples please, that say he could compete with the likes of Yoda and Mace.
Kyp has been stronger than ROTS Sidious for a long time.
I admit i thought this was about DE Sidious, but I still don't see what makes Kyp stronger. Please no "LAWL he moved teh Black holedslse!"
Are you retarded? When did I ever say that Jacen > Luke?
Are you so retarded that you couldn't see that thats what your "argument" implied? You say Jacen was too powerful to be controlled, then you say Luke struggled not to be controlled. That implies that Jacen is stronger then Luke. Then you post about how Jacen LOST to a Force Phantom of Luke. Makes sense doesn't it. AGAIN heres a site I think you should take a look at...secure.hop.com
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Well you're wrong. Here are some examples (but are not all of my arguments).1. Jacen is 100% immune to pain. Even if Sidious managed to stab a hole through Jacen or chop off one of his arms, which he won't get the chance to do, it wouldn't stop Jacen or even slow him down for more than a second or two.
He's immune to pain now? Wow um.. I doubt that but lets assume for argument's sake that you're correct. Apparently you don't understand the physics of a human body. If you're immune to pain and you get your legs chopped off, you end up losing quite a lot of blood. Now because you're immune to this pain, your brain doesn't get the "signals" stating "OH my god that hurts". So you would eventually just collapse in the middle of fighting due to a loss of blood, shock, etc. But I guess that doesn't apply to the star wars universe huh.. Jacen supposedly being immune to pain means he wont' scream when he gets pwned(debatable) or he'll die in the middle of the fight. Not much of an argument there.
[quote]2. Jacen has been directly stated to be more powerful than Kyp Durron. Kyp is more powerful than Sidious.
3. Jacen's Force Phantom (he and Luke were fighting eachother from lightyears apart in the form of Force Phantoms due to Lumiya's trickery) was able to give Luke a very hard time. He certainly rivals Luke, there is no inconsistency in that.
4. Jacen was able to shrug off Raynar's influence more easily then Luke. Raynar direcly stated that this was because Jacen was to powerful for anyone to control.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
His uber speed. Glad you could notice the acting taking place on Sidious behalf, I'm sure you could also notice how he gets up a second after that with a smile on his face. Jacen has shown to be the superior fighter? Examples please, that say he could compete with the likes of Yoda and Mace.
So the fact that he was able to stand up a minute after the lightning hit him must mean that he was faking the thing, right? WRONG! If this was true, I duess Luke must have been faking the pain in ROTJ.
It's like when a friend of mine shot himself with a tazer (his dad is a cop and let us play with one) he was on the ground writhing in pain while it was on but was fine only seconds after he turned it off.
And Sidious has had uber speed since when? This is ROTS Sidious, not his DE incarnation. For the record, DE Sidious would defeat Jacen for sure. He'd still have a hard time, but it'd be a solid win for DE Sidious. Notice the repeated use of DE.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
I admit i thought this was about DE Sidious, but I still don't see what makes Kyp stronger. Please no "LAWL he moved teh Black holedslse!"
Why shouldn't him controlling a black hole count as an argument? Anyway, Kyp Durron did pull a complete thunderstorm out of his sleeve after studying the force for one year.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Are you so retarded that you couldn't see that thats what your "argument" implied? You say Jacen was too powerful to be controlled, then you say Luke struggled not to be controlled. That implies that Jacen is stronger then Luke. Then you post about how Jacen LOST to a Force Phantom of Luke. Makes sense doesn't it. AGAIN heres a site I think you should take a look at...secure.hop.com
LMAO! That site is funny. I know of a few people around here who have need of it.
And it never occured to you that Jacen might have a particular talen in that area? Want some examples where a weaker person is better at particular talent? Here:
1. Mace is weaker than Yoda, but his Shatterpoint ability is FAR better than Yoda's.
2. Corran Horn's level of energy absorbtion is so high that he can be hit by a lightsaber and recieve only minor charring of the skin. No version of Luke can do this even though Luke is much stronger.
3. Streen has one of the most extreme examples of this. He has an affinity for controlling wind and the weather. He was able to create a tornado with only a few months of training.
As you can see, Jacen being better at resisting Raynar's manipulation than Luke doesn't mean that he is better at Luke, just that he is very powerful.
Now then, Jacen lost to Luke, but he was able to give him a hard time. Now, I'm NOT a fan of Jacen being this close to Luke in power, but that's just how the story has unfolded and we all have to accept it.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
So the fact that he was able to stand up a minute after the lightning hit him must mean that he was faking the thing, right? WRONG! If this was true, I duess Luke must have been faking the pain in ROTJ.
And Sidious has had uber speed since when? This is ROTS Sidious, not his DE incarnation. For the record, DE Sidious would defeat Jacen for sure. He'd still have a hard time, but it'd be a solid win for DE Sidious. Notice the repeated use of DE.
Why shouldn't him controlling a black hole count as an argument? Anyway, Kyp Durron did pull a complete thunderstorm out of his sleeve after studying the force for one year.
1. Mace is weaker than Yoda, but his Shatterpoint ability is FAR better than Yoda's.
As you can see, Jacen being better at resisting Raynar's manipulation than Luke doesn't mean that he is better at Luke, just that he is very powerful.
Now then, Jacen lost to Luke, but he was able to give him a hard time. Now, I'm NOT a fan of Jacen being this close to Luke in power, but that's just how the story has unfolded and we all have to accept it. [/B]