The PT Jedi order vs. The New Jedi Order

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
It's ROTS Sidious, moron.

I'd hardly consider seven an army. And I've said many times that Luke would take Exar.

ROTS Sidious can't use Force Storm.

There are people who have superior Force Speed. Prove Sidious' is above Jacen's. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Really? Weird, considering you get all your arguments from EOD and they seem to disagree.

Glentract's made his own arguments in the past, and I don't see much connection between Glentract's arguments and those made at EoD. When it comes down to things like "X vs. the Empire" or Jacen Solo, I've yet to see him copy any arguments.

Also, considering IKC has ridiculed Glentract for being a Luke fanboy, what are you talking about?

First, prove Jacen has force speed, then prove that he has mastered it to the extent DE Sidious did against Luke.

1. If a padawan Obi-Wan knew Force speed, I honestly don't see why Jacen wouldn't. Anyways, the New Jedi Order Sourcebook lists force speed (burst of speed) as an ability Jacen can use (Ch 5, pg 105).

2. Why would he have to "master it" to the degree DE Sidious has? If I'm not mistaken, he's only arguing against RotS Sidious in this case, so why should he prove something he's not exactly debating?

I keep forgetting that it's ROTS Sidious and not DE Sidious, my mistake.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No need to get angry because you've been pwned one too many times child. Learn to talk to your elders and address me as the great one, thanks.

Pwned by who? It certainly wasn't anyone who goes by Darth Sexy. Are you going to go ahead and admit that you made a mistake when you thought it was DE Sidious or what?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Really? Weird, considering you get all your arguments from EOD and they seem to disagree.

I think Advent covered this quite well.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No really?

Really.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
First, prove Jacen has force speed, then prove that he has mastered it to the extent DE Sidious did against Luke.

You made the mistake again. It's ROTS Sidious. And Advent already Jacen has Force Speed, so I won't restate it.

Ok then Glentract, explain what puts Jacen above ROTS Sidious?

1. He took out four Slayers. A single Slayer was enough to overwhlem Kyp Durron. On the same note, that Slayers were the strongest warriors out of the greatest warrior race in all of Star Wars. That puts them above the super-elites of organizations like the Mandalorians and the Echani.

2. He downright rivals Luke in power. Luke at this point is WAY past ROTS Sidious.

3. Jacen managed to kill the Voxyn Queen. The Voxyn are probably the most capable Jedi Hunters ever.

4. Take this as you will, but here's a quote from Vergere - "I tell you this: though neither he nor they yet know it, he is the greatest of all the Jedi. Jacen Solo is the living Jedi dream. Even without the Force, he is more dangerous than you can possibly imagine."

There's more, but I feel that's enough reasons for now.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
1. He took out four Slayers. A single Slayer was enough to overwhlem Kyp Durron. On the same note, that Slayers were the strongest warriors out of the greatest warrior race in all of Star Wars. That puts them above the super-elites of organizations like the Mandalorians and the Echani.

2. He downright rivals Luke in power. Luke at this point is WAY past ROTS Sidious.

3. Jacen managed to kill the Voxyn Queen. The Voxyn are probably the most capable Jedi Hunters ever.

4. Take this as you will, but here's a quote from Vergere - "I tell you this: though neither he nor they yet know it, he is the greatest of all the Jedi. Jacen Solo is the living Jedi dream. Even without the Force, he is more dangerous than you can possibly imagine."

There's more, but I feel that's enough reasons for now. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Who's to say Kyp was worth a shit in combat?

Because he's the kind of guy who tosses around ships that are hundreds of meters long with a thought that it effortless.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh really? Now what is your basis on this assumption, besides from the author inconsistencies? Jacen does not rival Luke.

No, Jacen does infact rival Luke. It's late her, so I'll get you proof tomorrow.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Probably, and this equates to him being superior to Sidious how?

You've got to look at the bigger picture. It's another testament to Jacen's power.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
The same Vergere that thought Sidious was the most dangerous and most powerful person in the galaxy? Interesting.

Are you calling me a liar?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Hardly a compelling argument Glentract.

Let's see you make one for Sidious.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Because he's the kind of guy who tosses around ships that are hundreds of meters long with a thought that it effortless.

Let's see you make one for Sidious.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
His force abilities have nothing to do with his combat prowess. I don't know how those two are intertwined.

They are related very much. I have yet to see a single example of a Force god who sucks with a lightsaber. It's even been stated that the Force plays a massive role in lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Would love to see it.

And you will. Tomorrow.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
How so. Joruus Cbaoth was able to control an entire fleet, would I put him on par with Luke? Hell no.

And this relates to my point how?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I'm asking you to prove up.

Take a good look at the quote I provided and the statement you provided (which you have shown no source for). If you look real hard she calls Sidious in yours the most powerful and dangerous person in the galaxy and the if you look at my quote it calls Jacen the greatest Jedi in the galaxy. Not all people are Jedi! $&%^!*# genius concept.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Make what for Sidious, he's the strongest sith lord by ROTS with incredible force abilities..

Can you read! Make a freakin argument for him. Where the heck do you get the notion that Sidious is the strongest Sith Lord by ROTS? He's the strongest one in ROTS, but not by ROTS.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
They are related very much. I have yet to see a single example of a Force god who sucks with a lightsaber. It's even been stated that the Force plays a massive role in lightsaber combat.

Can you read! Make a freakin argument for him. Where the heck do you get the notion that Sidious is the strongest Sith Lord by ROTS? He's the strongest one in ROTS, but not by ROTS.

NJO sucks, cept for luke and mara jade

Love The New Jedi Order. Mara Jade. Jacen and Jaina Solo. BenSkywalker. They rock

Agreed... (maybe for the first time, don't get using to this kadesh lololol)

By the way:

"Battle 1: Jedi Master Yoda vs. Kyp Durron

A. Lightsaber duel - Yoda takes this. Kyp's a very unbalanced Jedi with very little emphasis on saber skills. Yoda takes this will some difficulty, but not much.

B. Force duel - Kyp has the win here. With the exception of Luke he's the strongest Jedi ever when it comes to Force Powers. For example, in Star by Star Kyp was able to shove a freighter with the Force with very little effort. He was also able to control a black hole and showed less signs of drain afterwards than even Luke did. Yoda's just not up to Kyp's level here.

C. Overall (added by me to decide who fights in round 7) - I'd give this to Kyp. He's not good enough to defeat Yoda with his saber, but he'd be plenty able to hold Yoda off and defeat him with Force Powers.

Battle 2: Darth Sidious/Palpatine vs. Jacen Solo

A. Lightsaber duel - Jacen has been stated to be more powerful than Kyp Durron in one of the more recent books. Jacen was able to fight four Slayers at the same time which puts him extremely high in saber skills; high enough, I think, to defeat Sidious.

B. Force duel - Sidious has it here. Jacen has a large knowledge of exotic Force Powers but has shown little in the way of pure power. Sidious takes him down.

C. Overall - I'm leaning towards Jacen here. He's plenty skilled to take Sidious in a saber fight but would lose in a pure Force Battle. I think that his Force Powers are enough to hold off Sidious' attacks and he should be able to kill Sidious with his saber.

Battle 3: Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku vs. Jaina Solo

A. Lightsaber duel - Dooku wins. Jaina really not that impressive with her saber. She spends way to much time as a pilot and not enough time training.
B. Force duel - Same as the saber battle. Jaina isn't that powerful here.

C. Overall - Dooku for sure. I honestly don't know why she was labled the Sword of the Jedi. She's really not to great of a fighter.

Battle 4: Anakin Skywalker vs. Anakin Solo & Tahiri Veila

A. Lightsaber duel - This is hard to decided. Anakin Solo is very capable and I wouldn't be surprised if he won. However, Tahiri isn't up to par and Solo might end up dying trying to protect her. I'd give this to Skywalker.

B. Force duel - To close to call. Solo is very capable and with Tahiri's help could convievably win, but I'm not sure.

C. Overall - This goes to Skywalker, but just barely. Solo gets killed because he spends to much time looking out for Tahiri.

Battle 5: Mace Windu vs. Coron Horn

A. Lightsaber duel - Well, firstly it's Corran, not Coron. Anyway, this goes to Corran. I know that many people don't think of him as very good, but I personally put him above the likes of Kyle. In fact, I think he could give *gasp* Luke a tough time. Why do I think he's so good? Because he can take a hit from a lightsaber and only recieve minor charring of the skin. Even if Mace manages to land a hit on him it won't hurt Corran much and would allow for Corran to win.

B. Force duel - This goes to Corran also. Corran is not very well known for his Force powers, but they are very power. His alter mind technique is so power than he was able to control the minds of more than ten other trainee's, plus Luke Skywalker, for a period of time and make them think that he was lifting a giant rock into the air.

C. Overall - This goes to Corran, obviously, as he is better with both the Force and the lightsaber. Shatter

Battle 6: Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Ganner Rhysode

A. Lightsaber duel - I'm giving this to Obi-wan. Ganner is awsome but he's not that strong except in the final moments before he died (during that time he could possibly have taken Luke!).

B. Force duel - Again going to Obi-wan. Ganner cool-ness comes from the fact that he really isn't a very good Jedi but somehow still manages to come out on top despite his inferior skills. However, he's just not up to Obi-wan's level.

C. Overall - Since Obi-wan is better with both the Force and saber he obviously wins.

All PT members who makes it passed this battle-
vs. NJO Luke Skywalker

Ahem. Obi-wan and Dooku vs. Luke? I'm not even going to break this down into sabers and the Force. Luke wins both."

THIS is fanboyism... Kyp durron beating yoda? Jacen beating sidious? Corran beating MACE (!!) with a LIGHTSABER (!!!!!)? Just lol...

PT Jedi Order seems stronger and will win.

Kamhal, sidious woukd **** jacen with the lightsaber, Being able to kill 3 jedi masters swiftly is impressive considering the fact he NEVER touched a lightsaber for 13 years strait

You have no proof of that... If is this the case, if he couldn't dedicate himself to the force, how he ever teach dooku all he knew about the darkside?

What makes you think he taught Dooku all he knew? You forget, Sidious didn't plan on anyone succeeding him as DLOTS, so it's VERY unlikely he even taught Vader everything he knew.

Originally posted by kamhal
You have no proof of that... If is this the case, if he couldn't dedicate himself to the force, how he ever teach dooku all he knew about the darkside?

You require a lightsaber to teach people about the dark side? Weird. LoE states that Dooku was such an accomplished swordsman when he came into Sidious's care that he did not need any training with a blade. The only things they did were Force-based only.

New Jedi Order will win after a long battle.