Most Overrated Character?

Originally posted by quanchi112
To me it is. They were afraid of Orion and Mantis gave up before their was even a fight just by the mere sight of him. This all took place after Supes lay at their feet,helpless smiling because Orion was going to save him.

My point is for a character like Kalibak to knock him senseless it means a lot of other inferior strong characters can as well.

Originally posted by Raoul
they fear orion cos firstly, he's a new god, and second, orion has no qualms about ripping your head off if it suits him...

and they'd just been in a fight with superman... who was not 'helpless' by any means...

a character 'like kalibak'?

kalibak was amped, and insanely so. even clark said so. and this is in the same series where not two, three issues later clark was slugging it out with the infinity man, and holding his own.

Supes was on the ground and helpless. Did you read the scan? he was smiling because help was on the way. His eyes were all dazed.

You exaggerate. Supes didnt even phase IM. Im didnt want him killed so he easily contained him.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Kalibak has stalemated Orion before and Mantis can solo Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Dr. Fate.......simutaneously...these are the pc incarnations btw.

Yes because Kalibak is just featless brick, that's never been shown to rival Supes in the strength department. 🙄

Pathetic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you realize how different things have become since pc. Back then Ds holograms could solo jla practically. Mantis was looked at in this very comic as a joke and someone giving up against Orion two on one before a punch was thrown.

Pathetic.

I love how you pick and choose a character's feats(rather it's the low for the ones dislike, or the high for the ones you love) and speak about them as if they're the most accurate and consistent portrayals around. It's easy to blatantly ignore established canon, it's as fun as it's a shitty way to debate. 🙂

The sheer fact that your trying to play this off as if it's a low showing, tells me how far you'll go to to demean a character. If anything, that should be a high showing. Mantis alone should one shot Superman to hell, adding Kalibak should be overkill.

I'll give you credit for one thing though. You may have not proved how Superman is overrated, but you did prove that Dc tends to over power him to point that he makes everyone, from their grandma and aunt, look pathetic in comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kalibak wasnt amped for this story. He was shown to be more powerful in the firestorm series. Look how Morrison is looking at the new gods. Different writers sometimes change the rules drastically. Its obvious Kalibak was nowhere near as powerful as the other writer saw him. Starlin didn't view Kalibak as anywhere near as powerful as the firestorm writer did.

how do you know if that's true or not? he was fighting superman after all...

Supes was on the ground and helpless. Did you read the scan? he was smiling because help was on the way. His eyes were all dazed.

incorrect.

You exaggerate. Supes didn't even phase IM. Im didn't want him killed so he easily contained him.

didn't even phase him? sweet lord... and you say I exaggerate? bull. shit.

You know what, let's do this...

First of all, the Kalibak/Mantis fight:

First Scan:

Now. The writer says (he doesn't hint, he doesn't insinuate, he says DEFINITIVELY) that Superman is taken by surprise by Kalibak's strength and speed... Superman has fought Kalibak plenty of times before, so the fact that he was surprised lends credence to the opinion that Kalibak was amped... Even if he wasn't Superman recovers in seconds and smacks Kalibak.

Second Scan:

Clark BFR's Kalibak and heads after Mantis, intent on protecting Scott Free. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Third Scan:

Superman is concentrating on Kalibak, and gets smacked with an energy blast by Mantis, which sets him up for:

Fourth Scan:

In Starlin's own words "So that Kalibak could put everything he had into one incredibly lucky and devastating blow."

Yes, that's right, EVERYTHING HE HAD. LUCKY. As in:

–adjective, luck·i·er, luck·i·est.
1. having or marked by good luck; fortunate: That was my lucky day.
2. happening fortunately: a lucky accident.
3. bringing or foretelling good luck, or supposed to do so: a lucky penny.

Kalibak puts all his might into ONE BLOW, and its still only through blind luck that he STUNS, not KO's, STUNS Superman... The same Superman who still has the presence of mind (despite just being whacked with a NEW GOD weapon) to protect Scott Free any way he can. So he grabs both of them, and:

Fifth Scan:

SUPERMAN slams THEM into the ground. Not the other way around, HE smashes THEM into the ground. Tell me again how that means he lost?

Sixth Scan:

All three are on the ground. Kalibak says Clark is down, yet he's still awake, and Kalibak says "Let us finish him." Clark says "I don't think so." Which means he KNOWS Orion is coming. Mantis even says "Doesn't look like he's trying (to get up). And why's he smiling". This is pretty damning evidence that Superman knew Scott was safe and that Orion was coming in, meaning he had no reason to continue fighting.

Now, the fight with the Infinity Man.

In this scan:

Superman tells Infinity Man that if they slug it out long enough, Superman will beat him. Infinity Man doesn't argue, or disagree, or anything like that, he actually agrees, saying: "Then it would be judicious of us to cut short your assault and encase you within a prison of solidified light."

Starlin doesn't hint, he doesn't leave it vague, he just lays it simply and definitively...

If you don't agree with the fight, then fine, go the Dwayne Mcduffie route and disregard the fight as being poor writing. If you aren't going to do that, though, you take it as it is.

Now, if you don't like Superman, FINE. Just admit it, and move on, it doesn't make a difference to me. If you've convinced yourself that you do give him credit, then ok, if you think he can be beaten by Thanos, Thor, Surfer, Wonder Woman or WWH, then fair enough, that's your choice. But you use evidence. You research.

You do not twist scans to suit your own purposes, you do not lie, and you do NOT TROLL THE FORUMS WITH UNFOUNDED STATEMENTS.

You can reply if you wish, but i've said all i'm going to...

P....P.....P...PAULTALITY!

Originally posted by Raoul
how do you know if that's true or not? he was fighting superman after all...

incorrect.

didn't even phase him? sweet lord... and you say [B]I exaggerate? bull. shit.

You know what, let's do this...

First of all, the Kalibak/Mantis fight:

First Scan:

Now. The writer says (he doesn't hint, he doesn't insinuate, he says DEFINITIVELY) that Superman is taken by surprise by Kalibak's strength and speed... Superman has fought Kalibak plenty of times before, so the fact that he was surprised lends credence to the opinion that Kalibak was amped... Even if he wasn't Superman recovers in seconds and smacks Kalibak.

Second Scan:

Clark BFR's Kalibak and heads after Mantis, intent on protecting Scott Free. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Third Scan:

Superman is concentrating on Kalibak, and gets smacked with an energy blast by Mantis, which sets him up for:

Fourth Scan:

In Starlin's own words "So that Kalibak could put everything he had into one incredibly lucky and devastating blow."

Yes, that's right, EVERYTHING HE HAD. LUCKY. As in:

–adjective, luck·i·er, luck·i·est.
1. having or marked by good luck; fortunate: That was my lucky day.
2. happening fortunately: a lucky accident.
3. bringing or foretelling good luck, or supposed to do so: a lucky penny.

Kalibak puts all his might into ONE BLOW, and its still only through blind luck that he STUNS, not KO's, STUNS Superman... The same Superman who still has the presence of mind (despite just being whacked with a NEW GOD weapon) to protect Scott Free any way he can. So he grabs both of them, and:

Fifth Scan:

SUPERMAN slams THEM into the ground. Not the other way around, HE smashes THEM into the ground. Tell me again how that means he lost?

Sixth Scan:

All three are on the ground. Kalibak says Clark is down, yet he's still awake, and Kalibak says "Let us finish him." Clark says "I don't think so." Which means he KNOWS Orion is coming. Mantis even says "Doesn't look like he's trying (to get up). And why's he smiling". This is pretty damning evidence that Superman knew Scott was safe and that Orion was coming in, meaning he had no reason to continue fighting.

Now, the fight with the Infinity Man.

In this scan:

Superman tells Infinity Man that if they slug it out long enough, Superman will beat him. Infinity Man doesn't argue, or disagree, or anything like that, he actually agrees, saying: "Then it would be judicious of us to cut short your assault and encase you within a prison of solidified light."

Starlin doesn't hint, he doesn't leave it vague, he just lays it simply and definitively...

If you don't agree with the fight, then fine, go the Dwayne Mcduffie route and disregard the fight as being poor writing. If you aren't going to do that, though, you take it as it is.

Now, if you don't like Superman, FINE. Just admit it, and move on, it doesn't make a difference to me. If you've convinced yourself that you do give him credit, then ok, if you think he can be beaten by Thanos, Thor, Surfer, Wonder Woman or WWH, then fair enough, that's your choice. But you use evidence. You research.

You do not twist scans to suit your own purposes, you do not lie, and you do NOT TROLL THE FORUMS WITH UNFOUNDED STATEMENTS.

You can reply if you wish, but i've said all i'm going to... [/B]

Originally posted by llagrok
P....P.....P...PAULTALITY!

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Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Lol, when Quan sees this, his prostate is going to explode.

😆

That poll was pre-WWH.

If it was done now....man! Would Hulk take the whole cake.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That poll was pre-WWH.

If it was done now....man! Would Hulk take the whole cake.

Originally posted by Raoul
how do you know if that's true or not? he was fighting superman after all...

incorrect.

didn't even phase him? sweet lord... and you say [B]I exaggerate? bull. shit.

You know what, let's do this...

First of all, the Kalibak/Mantis fight:

First Scan:

Now. The writer says (he doesn't hint, he doesn't insinuate, he says DEFINITIVELY) that Superman is taken by surprise by Kalibak's strength and speed... Superman has fought Kalibak plenty of times before, so the fact that he was surprised lends credence to the opinion that Kalibak was amped... Even if he wasn't Superman recovers in seconds and smacks Kalibak.

Second Scan:

Clark BFR's Kalibak and heads after Mantis, intent on protecting Scott Free. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Third Scan:

Superman is concentrating on Kalibak, and gets smacked with an energy blast by Mantis, which sets him up for:

Fourth Scan:

In Starlin's own words "So that Kalibak could put everything he had into one incredibly lucky and devastating blow."

Yes, that's right, EVERYTHING HE HAD. LUCKY. As in:

–adjective, luck·i·er, luck·i·est.
1. having or marked by good luck; fortunate: That was my lucky day.
2. happening fortunately: a lucky accident.
3. bringing or foretelling good luck, or supposed to do so: a lucky penny.

Kalibak puts all his might into ONE BLOW, and its still only through blind luck that he STUNS, not KO's, STUNS Superman... The same Superman who still has the presence of mind (despite just being whacked with a NEW GOD weapon) to protect Scott Free any way he can. So he grabs both of them, and:

Fifth Scan:

SUPERMAN slams THEM into the ground. Not the other way around, HE smashes THEM into the ground. Tell me again how that means he lost?

Sixth Scan:

All three are on the ground. Kalibak says Clark is down, yet he's still awake, and Kalibak says "Let us finish him." Clark says "I don't think so." Which means he KNOWS Orion is coming. Mantis even says "Doesn't look like he's trying (to get up). And why's he smiling". This is pretty damning evidence that Superman knew Scott was safe and that Orion was coming in, meaning he had no reason to continue fighting.

Now, the fight with the Infinity Man.

In this scan:

Superman tells Infinity Man that if they slug it out long enough, Superman will beat him. Infinity Man doesn't argue, or disagree, or anything like that, he actually agrees, saying: "Then it would be judicious of us to cut short your assault and encase you within a prison of solidified light."

Starlin doesn't hint, he doesn't leave it vague, he just lays it simply and definitively...

If you don't agree with the fight, then fine, go the Dwayne Mcduffie route and disregard the fight as being poor writing. If you aren't going to do that, though, you take it as it is.

Now, if you don't like Superman, FINE. Just admit it, and move on, it doesn't make a difference to me. If you've convinced yourself that you do give him credit, then ok, if you think he can be beaten by Thanos, Thor, Surfer, Wonder Woman or WWH, then fair enough, that's your choice. But you use evidence. You research.

You do not twist scans to suit your own purposes, you do not lie, and you do NOT TROLL THE FORUMS WITH UNFOUNDED STATEMENTS.

You can reply if you wish, but i've said all i'm going to... [/B]

Ohhhh Snap! someone just got WTF owned.

Originally posted by Raoul
how do you know if that's true or not? he was fighting superman after all...

incorrect.

didn't even phase him? sweet lord... and you say [B]I exaggerate? bull. shit.

You know what, let's do this...

First of all, the Kalibak/Mantis fight:

First Scan:

Now. The writer says (he doesn't hint, he doesn't insinuate, he says DEFINITIVELY) that Superman is taken by surprise by Kalibak's strength and speed... Superman has fought Kalibak plenty of times before, so the fact that he was surprised lends credence to the opinion that Kalibak was amped... Even if he wasn't Superman recovers in seconds and smacks Kalibak.

Second Scan:

Clark BFR's Kalibak and heads after Mantis, intent on protecting Scott Free. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Third Scan:

Superman is concentrating on Kalibak, and gets smacked with an energy blast by Mantis, which sets him up for:

Fourth Scan:

In Starlin's own words "So that Kalibak could put everything he had into one incredibly lucky and devastating blow."

Yes, that's right, EVERYTHING HE HAD. LUCKY. As in:

–adjective, luck·i·er, luck·i·est.
1. having or marked by good luck; fortunate: That was my lucky day.
2. happening fortunately: a lucky accident.
3. bringing or foretelling good luck, or supposed to do so: a lucky penny.

Kalibak puts all his might into ONE BLOW, and its still only through blind luck that he STUNS, not KO's, STUNS Superman... The same Superman who still has the presence of mind (despite just being whacked with a NEW GOD weapon) to protect Scott Free any way he can. So he grabs both of them, and:

Fifth Scan:

SUPERMAN slams THEM into the ground. Not the other way around, HE smashes THEM into the ground. Tell me again how that means he lost?

Sixth Scan:

All three are on the ground. Kalibak says Clark is down, yet he's still awake, and Kalibak says "Let us finish him." Clark says "I don't think so." Which means he KNOWS Orion is coming. Mantis even says "Doesn't look like he's trying (to get up). And why's he smiling". This is pretty damning evidence that Superman knew Scott was safe and that Orion was coming in, meaning he had no reason to continue fighting.

Now, the fight with the Infinity Man.

In this scan:

Superman tells Infinity Man that if they slug it out long enough, Superman will beat him. Infinity Man doesn't argue, or disagree, or anything like that, he actually agrees, saying: "Then it would be judicious of us to cut short your assault and encase you within a prison of solidified light."

Starlin doesn't hint, he doesn't leave it vague, he just lays it simply and definitively...

If you don't agree with the fight, then fine, go the Dwayne Mcduffie route and disregard the fight as being poor writing. If you aren't going to do that, though, you take it as it is.

Now, if you don't like Superman, FINE. Just admit it, and move on, it doesn't make a difference to me. If you've convinced yourself that you do give him credit, then ok, if you think he can be beaten by Thanos, Thor, Surfer, Wonder Woman or WWH, then fair enough, that's your choice. But you use evidence. You research.

You do not twist scans to suit your own purposes, you do not lie, and you do NOT TROLL THE FORUMS WITH UNFOUNDED STATEMENTS.

You can reply if you wish, but i've said all i'm going to... [/B]

Originally posted by Madvillain
who or what is the most overrated character on this forum?

Superman
Flash
Green Lantern
Thanos
Dr. Strange
Phoenix Force
Wolverine
Odin
Silver Surfer
Wonder Woman

What, no Hulk?

Originally posted by Raoul
how do you know if that's true or not? he was fighting superman after all...

incorrect.

didn't even phase him? sweet lord... and you say [B]I exaggerate? bull. shit.

You know what, let's do this...

First of all, the Kalibak/Mantis fight:

First Scan:

Now. The writer says (he doesn't hint, he doesn't insinuate, he says DEFINITIVELY) that Superman is taken by surprise by Kalibak's strength and speed... Superman has fought Kalibak plenty of times before, so the fact that he was surprised lends credence to the opinion that Kalibak was amped... Even if he wasn't Superman recovers in seconds and smacks Kalibak.

Second Scan:

Clark BFR's Kalibak and heads after Mantis, intent on protecting Scott Free. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Third Scan:

Superman is concentrating on Kalibak, and gets smacked with an energy blast by Mantis, which sets him up for:

Fourth Scan:

In Starlin's own words "So that Kalibak could put everything he had into one incredibly lucky and devastating blow."

Yes, that's right, EVERYTHING HE HAD. LUCKY. As in:

–adjective, luck·i·er, luck·i·est.
1. having or marked by good luck; fortunate: That was my lucky day.
2. happening fortunately: a lucky accident.
3. bringing or foretelling good luck, or supposed to do so: a lucky penny.

Kalibak puts all his might into ONE BLOW, and its still only through blind luck that he STUNS, not KO's, STUNS Superman... The same Superman who still has the presence of mind (despite just being whacked with a NEW GOD weapon) to protect Scott Free any way he can. So he grabs both of them, and:

Fifth Scan:

SUPERMAN slams THEM into the ground. Not the other way around, HE smashes THEM into the ground. Tell me again how that means he lost?

Sixth Scan:

All three are on the ground. Kalibak says Clark is down, yet he's still awake, and Kalibak says "Let us finish him." Clark says "I don't think so." Which means he KNOWS Orion is coming. Mantis even says "Doesn't look like he's trying (to get up). And why's he smiling". This is pretty damning evidence that Superman knew Scott was safe and that Orion was coming in, meaning he had no reason to continue fighting.

Now, the fight with the Infinity Man.

In this scan:

Superman tells Infinity Man that if they slug it out long enough, Superman will beat him. Infinity Man doesn't argue, or disagree, or anything like that, he actually agrees, saying: "Then it would be judicious of us to cut short your assault and encase you within a prison of solidified light."

Starlin doesn't hint, he doesn't leave it vague, he just lays it simply and definitively...

If you don't agree with the fight, then fine, go the Dwayne Mcduffie route and disregard the fight as being poor writing. If you aren't going to do that, though, you take it as it is.

Now, if you don't like Superman, FINE. Just admit it, and move on, it doesn't make a difference to me. If you've convinced yourself that you do give him credit, then ok, if you think he can be beaten by Thanos, Thor, Surfer, Wonder Woman or WWH, then fair enough, that's your choice. But you use evidence. You research.

You do not twist scans to suit your own purposes, you do not lie, and you do NOT TROLL THE FORUMS WITH UNFOUNDED STATEMENTS.

You can reply if you wish, but i've said all i'm going to... [/B]

Well Quan just had to go and fack with the celtic god of pwnage. You reap what you sow...

Originally posted by Air Legend
Cop-out, huh?

PROOF THAT LUCIFER IS THE MOST OVERRATED CHARACTER!

[B]"not to forget people, he DID outsmart and defeat yahweh"

"youd know that lucifer threatened yahweh by assasination and got him to no leave his creation"
Here's the link since the thread got closed.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=484744&pagenumber=2

Yea, Lucifer tried rebelling, though by attempting such a thing he in fact was doing exactly what God wanted. What a badass boy that Lucifer kid is.

Michael "sissy soljer-boy" as you like to call him just patiently waited and didn't defy his creator and consequently almost made his "daddy" despair. [/B]

Concerning the first part, I'll get back to you with some scans once my comics are in order. I need to organize about 400 so...when I get to Lucifer I'll hopefully remember.

Concerning the second part, no. Lucifer wanted more. He rebelled. Ok, let's say that was God's plan. But at the point where he speaks to God and God asks him to merge...nah...

Originally posted by llagrok
Reported

For El Sexism peaches

quoted for truth 👆

Originally posted by Madvillain
who or what is the most overrated character on this forum?

Superman
Flash
Green Lantern
Thanos
Dr. Strange
Phoenix Force
Wolverine
Odin
Silver Surfer
Wonder Woman

Batman.

Originally posted by Faceman
Batman.

Originally posted by Badabing
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Originally posted by Badabing
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