Christians...

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Christians...

I am not considered a "Christian" by most "Christians". This is due to my beliefs as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

My question is for anyone that feels themselves capable of denying another individual of classifying themselves as Christian.

What is it that leads you to believe yourself in a position to make such a statement?

Regret you know that I am not a Christian, but I used to be one of those Christians. This is my answer: Fear and ignorance with a good portion of arrogance.

Originally posted by Regret
I am not considered a "Christian" by most "Christians". This is due to my beliefs as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

My question is for anyone that feels themselves capable of denying another individual of classifying themselves as Christian.

What is it that leads you to believe yourself in a position to make such a statement?


When you deny core teachings of Christianity, you are no longer a Christian.

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Originally posted by Regret
I am not considered a "Christian" by most "Christians". This is due to my beliefs as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

My question is for anyone that feels themselves capable of denying another individual of classifying themselves as Christian.

What is it that leads you to believe yourself in a position to make such a statement?

to answer your question my friend..i think we need to look at what bible tells us...

***Do not despise the Lord's discipline and do not resent His rebuke, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, as a father the son he delights in. (Proverbs 3:11-12.)

**Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. (Proverbs 9:7-8)

**He who heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray. (Proverbs 10:17 NIV)

**He who listens to a life-giving rebuke will be at home among the wise. He who ignores discipline despises himself, but whoever heeds correction gains understanding. (Proverbs 15:31-32 NIV)

you seem like an intelligent dude..so please dont take offense to what ive said...as im just referencing scriptures from the word of god.

so to answer your question my friend..if your brother correctly informs you that your conduct, doctrine, or beleif system that you follow is not a christian one..and you earnestly want to find truth..then you will appreciate any form of correction your brother gives you..

still...as others have posted on this board, god is more concerned about us being loving people..as opposed to having all of the facts perfectly presented or layed out. so it is quite possible..that an individual who has never had knowledge of the scriptures or christ..would still be a christian, based on the type of life that they lived or as paul so graciously put it...

Romans 13:8-10

**Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For this, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.

so if an individual has lived a loving life without ever knowing of christ or the scriptures..as love is defined by the the bible. then ofcourse..they are a christian.

so its not all just about knowing the scriptures..its also about being loving..😉

Originally posted by FeceMan
When you deny core teachings of Christianity, you are no longer a Christian.

I thought Mormons added to the teachings of Christainity rather then ignoring everything but the Book of Mormon.

Originally posted by Regret
I am not considered a "Christian" by most "Christians". This is due to my beliefs as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

My question is for anyone that feels themselves capable of denying another individual of classifying themselves as Christian.

What is it that leads you to believe yourself in a position to make such a statement?

You are a christian, but one of the best there is, for you are very smart and knowledgeable, unlike others. I am surprised you are mormon.

Originally posted by Regret
I am not considered a "Christian" by most "Christians". This is due to my beliefs as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

My question is for anyone that feels themselves capable of denying another individual of classifying themselves as Christian.

What is it that leads you to believe yourself in a position to make such a statement?

"of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings"

You are Christian to me, buddy.

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Originally posted by Regret
I am not considered a "Christian" by most "Christians". This is due to my beliefs as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

My question is for anyone that feels themselves capable of denying another individual of classifying themselves as Christian.

What is it that leads you to believe yourself in a position to make such a statement?

I am Catholic. I am pretty sure that we don't consider you a Christian.

However, just because I'm Catholic doesn't necessarily mean I think you are not one.

I really don't know if you're a Christian or not. I have 1 good reason: ignorance about your faith.

Originally posted by FeceMan
When you deny core teachings of Christianity, you are no longer a Christian.
"Core teachings" - Mormons believe entirely in the "core teachings" of Christ, so that argument can't be a valid rationale. Or, are you referring to "core" interpretations? Because we do deny the validity of most interpretation accepted by mainstream Christian religions.

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Originally posted by supdude
Romans 13:8-10

**Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For this, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.

so if an individual has lived a loving life without ever knowing of christ or the scriptures..as love is defined by the the bible. then ofcourse..they are a christian.

so its not all just about knowing the scriptures..its also about being loving..😉

This is true. But remember, the scriptures are important too. Adding to the scriptures, or prostlyzing false doctrines, or being prideful with one's knowledge of the scrptures, is definitely not Christ-like either. The bottom line however, is that the decision is really made by Christ, and whether or not he considers the intentions of your heart to be loving.

Originally posted by Regret
"Core teachings" - Mormons believe entirely in the "core teachings" of Christ, so that argument can't be a valid rationale. Or, are you referring to "core" interpretations? Because we do deny the validity of most interpretation accepted by mainstream Christian religions.

Interesting response. I'm guessing that a lot of Christian denominations/sects deny or interpret teachings differently. I don't know for sure, but that's just me.

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Originally posted by supdude
so to answer your question my friend..if your brother correctly informs you that your conduct, doctrine, or beleif system that you follow is not a christian one..and you earnestly want to find truth..then you will appreciate any form of correction your brother gives you..

Ahhh, then I am still a Christian since, given my beliefs, those attempting to inform me have not been correct in their information.

Originally posted by supdude
so its not all just about knowing the scriptures..its also about being loving..😉
I believe loving of others is all there is.

If a person is truly loving of others all sin will be beyond them. Sins are the result of characteristics that are in conflict with love of others.
As Christ stated, the greatest commandment is love the Lord thy God, second is love thy neighbor. I believe that proper and complete adherence to the second is resultant in the first being obeyed properly.

Thanks everyone that provided supportive posts 🙂

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Originally posted by Regret
Ahhh, then I am still a Christian since, given my beliefs, those attempting to inform me have not been correct in their information.

I believe loving of others is all there is.

If a person is truly loving of others all sin will be beyond them. Sins are the result of characteristics that are in conflict with love of others.
As Christ stated, the greatest commandment is love the Lord thy God, second is love thy neighbor. I believe that proper and complete adherence to the second is resultant in the first being obeyed properly.

You are correct somewhat. It is important to note that we are to be "loving", but we are to strictly follow being "loving", as it is defined by God's word - not by the world. It is up to Jesus to decide if an individual has possessed this type of Godly love within their lives.

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Originally posted by BobbyD
I am Catholic. I am pretty sure that we don't consider you a Christian.

However, just because I'm Catholic doesn't necessarily mean I think you are not one.

I really don't know if you're a Christian or not. I have 1 good reason: ignorance about your faith.

No, Catholicism does not accept Mormons as Christian. The reason is our differing view of the Godhead, we believe God the Father, Christ and the Holy Ghost are entirely separate, being one in purpose and intent not one in substance.

Thank you for the response.

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Originally posted by Thundar
You are correct somewhat. It is important to note that we are to be "loving", but we are to strictly follow being "loving", as it is defined by God's word - not by the world. It is up to Jesus to decide if an individual has possessed this type of Godly love within their lives.

The problem is, no one can agree on what "God's word" means. The separation between "God's word" and "the world" is all in your head, so, that is way there are so many different types of Christian denominations.

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Originally posted by Thundar
This is true. But remember, the scriptures are important too. Adding to the scriptures, or prostlyzing false doctrines, or being prideful with one's knowledge of the scrptures, is definitely not Christ-like either. The bottom line however, is that the decision is really made by Christ, and whether or not he considers the intentions of your heart to be loving.
The "adding to" argument is slightly invalid, as the Bible itself contradicts the typical interpretation of the verse in the Revelation of John the Beloved if one applies the same interpretation to Deuteronomy 4:2 -

Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

If the adding interpretation is correct, everything following this verse is invalid by the same token.

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The problem is, no one can agree on what "God's word" means.

People can agree. But the world and the devil, have brought a spirit of confusion to many, specifically those who earnestly desire to know the truth of God's word. This is exactly why Jesus makes the decision in the end for each individual. It cuts through all of the confusion, and gets to the heart of the matter.

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Originally posted by Regret
The "adding to" argument is slightly invalid, as the Bible itself contradicts the typical interpretation of the verse in the Revelation of John the Beloved if one applies the same interpretation to Deuteronomy 4:2 -

If the adding interpretation is correct, everything following this verse is invalid by the same token.

Not invalid, just further extrapolated upon. Its okay for God to add to his word of course, since he is the word. But it's not okay for others to add to it. That's what was meant in scripture. So if you practically and logically interpret the verse, then its quite easy to understand what is meant.

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Originally posted by Thundar
You are correct somewhat. It is important to note that we are to be "loving", but we are to strictly follow being "loving", as it is defined by God's word - not by the world. It is up to Jesus to decide if an individual has possessed this type of Godly love within their lives.
Provide an example where love of others in any way conflicts with Biblical teachings. If loving others conflicts with an interpretation of the Bible, that interpretation is very obviously in error. And physiological sexual relations is not love, it is a separate item, and is only a possible means of showing intimate love, it is not the love.