Christians...

Originally posted by Thundar
People can agree. But the world and the devil, have brought a spirit of confusion to many, specifically those who earnestly desire to know the truth of God's word. This is exactly why Jesus makes the decision in the end for each individual. It cuts through all of the confusion, and gets to the heart of the matter.

😆 IMO There is no such thing as the devil. The reason there are so many different type of Christianity is because humans have a hard time agreeing on anything. All human organizations like religion divide and diversify.

Originally posted by Thundar
Not invalid, just further extrapolated upon. Its okay for God to add to his word of course, since he is the word. But it's not okay for others to add to it. That's what was meant in scripture. So if you practically and logically interpret the verse, then its quite easy to understand what is meant.

Biblical use of the term "world" and being separate from it is referencing sin, not people, Peter's experience eating unclean foods is a clarification of this misinterpretation.

Originally posted by Regret
No, Catholicism does not accept Mormons as Christian. The reason is our differing view of the Godhead, we believe God the Father, Christ and the Holy Ghost are entirely separate, being one in purpose and intent not one in substance.

Thank you for the response.

No problem. And, for the record, just because I'm Catholic, doesn't mean I think you are not a Christian, though my faith says otherwise.

That is for a higher power to decide. And secondly, (I mean this as nicely as it can possibly sound) I (personally) could care less if you are considered one by my faith or not. 😉

Originally posted by Regret
Provide an example where love of others in any way conflicts with Biblical teachings. If loving others conflicts with an interpretation of the Bible, that interpretation is very obviously in error. And physiological sexual relations is not love, it is a separate item, and is only a possible means of showing intimate love, it is not the love.

The first part of your inquiry is fallicious, as it already makes the assumption that worldly love, is comparable to the love that Jesus represents. With that being stated, let us now distinguish between Worldly love and Godly love by giving definitions of both below.

Godly love: Love is long suffering, kind, not boast, not inflated.
not discourteous, not selfish, not irritable, not enumerate the evil.
It does not rejoice over the wrong, but rejoices in the truth. It covers all things, it has faith for all things, it hopes in all things, it endures in all things. Love never falls in ruins;

Wordly love: boasts, proud, inflated, based on condition, will lie if it has to in order to get ahead, is only enduring if it thinks it will receive something. Basically it is the opposite of everything Godly love represents above.

An individual is a Christian, even if they have no knowledge of the scriptures or Christ, if they have willfully attempted to follow this Godly love within their lives. Each individual is instilled with an awareness of this love at birth, so no individual has an excuse about not ever knowing it existed.

Originally posted by Regret
That is good, as many attack Mormons based in that verse due to the fact that God has given us scripture, and continues communication with our prophets.

Well I do agree that others shouldn't attack or condemn you. But they should correct you about certain aspects of your doctrine being wrong. Denying the diety of Christ is a big problem with Mormon doctrine, and greatly contradicts the scriptures..as does the belief that Morman themselves will at some point be "gods."

Originally posted by BobbyD
No problem. And, for the record, just because I'm Catholic, doesn't mean I think you are not a Christian, though my faith says otherwise.

That is for a higher power to decide. And secondly, (I mean this as nicely as it can possibly sound) I (personally) could care less if you are considered one by my faith or not. 😉

Originally posted by Thundar
The first part of your inquiry is fallicious, as it already makes the assumption that worldly love, is comparable to the love that Jesus represents. With that being stated, let us now distinguish between Worldly love and Godly love by giving definitions of both below.

Godly love: Love is long suffering, kind, not boast, not inflated.
not discourteous, not selfish, not irritable, not enumerate the evil.
It does not rejoice over the wrong, but rejoices in the truth. It covers all things, it has faith for all things, it hopes in all things, it endures in all things. Love never falls in ruins;

Wordly love: boasts, proud, inflated, based on condition, will lie if it has to in order to get ahead, is only enduring if it thinks it will receive something. Basically it is the opposite of everything Godly love represents above.

An individual is a Christian, even if they have no knowledge of the scriptures or Christ, if they have willfully attempted to follow this Godly love within their lives. Each individual is instilled with an awareness of this love at birth, so no individual has an excuse about not ever knowing it existed.

Do you believe that only Christians can show Love that is long suffering, kind, not boastful, not inflated, not discourteous, not selfish, not irritable, not enumerate the evil? If you think that, you need to learn more about history. There have been people in the world like Ghandi who have given all for others even to their own death.

Originally posted by Thundar
Well I do agree that others shouldn't attack or condemn you. But they should correct you about certain aspects of your doctrine being wrong. Denying the diety of Christ is a big problem with Mormon doctrine, and greatly contradicts the scriptures..as does the belief that Morman themselves will at some point be "gods."

Also, it only conflicts your, and many other's, interpretations of scripture.

Originally posted by Thundar
The first part of your inquiry is fallicious, as it already makes the assumption that worldly love, is comparable to the love that Jesus represents. With that being stated, let us now distinguish between Worldly love and Godly love by giving definitions of both below.

Godly love: Love is long suffering, kind, not boast, not inflated.
not discourteous, not selfish, not irritable, not enumerate the evil.
It does not rejoice over the wrong, but rejoices in the truth. It covers all things, it has faith for all things, it hopes in all things, it endures in all things. Love never falls in ruins;

Wordly love: boasts, proud, inflated, based on condition, will lie if it has to in order to get ahead, is only enduring if it thinks it will receive something. Basically it is the opposite of everything Godly love represents above.

An individual is a Christian, even if they have no knowledge of the scriptures or Christ, if they have willfully attempted to follow this Godly love within their lives. Each individual is instilled with an awareness of this love at birth, so no individual has an excuse about not ever knowing it existed.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you believe that only Christians can show Love that is long suffering, kind, not boastful, not inflated, not discourteous, not selfish, not irritable, not enumerate the evil? If you think that, you need to learn more about history. There have been people in the world like Ghandi who have given all for others even to their own death.

I believe that everyone who sincerely demonstrates the Godly love as defined by the bible, and has the right intentions when demonstrating this type of love - is a Christian. It's up to Jesus to determine if an individual's intentions are sincere.

Originally posted by Thundar
I believe that everyone who sincerely demonstrates the Godly love as defined by the bible, and has the right intentions when demonstrating this type of love - is a Christian. It's up to Jesus to determine if an individual's intentions are sincere.

Then you should consider my good friend Regret as a Christian. He is a lot more Jesus like then most the other so called Christians on this forum.

Originally posted by Regret
We do not deny the divinity of Christ. Christ is and was God. We conflict only in that we do not believe Christ is God the Father, we believe Christ is the Son of God. We believe that Christ was not lying or misleading when he spoke of being the Son of God.

We are commanded to worship only one god, not two..meaning that Christ is undoubtly one with the father. I do not understand God completely, so I cannot explain to you why he chooses to represent himself in this way.

But I can testify to you that if one denies Christ as being one with the father, as well as denies him of possessing the same amount of authority as the father, then they are denying the divinity of Christ.

Originally posted by Regret
You are in error, the love of which I speak is the love you describe. Your "worldly love" doesn't fit a proper definition of love. You insult me with your statement, but I will not hold it against you as you clearly do not know me or my beliefs. I agree with everything but the insult.

I apologize if my tone came across as insulting or condescending. As that was not my purpose. My purpose was to inform you that any "love of others" that you see present within this world, should not be equated or looked for in Christ. As Christians, we should look for Christ's love in those of this world and teach this love to others who cannot see it, not the other way around.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you should consider my good friend Regret as a Christian. He is a lot more Jesus like then most the other so called Christians on this forum.

He may be, or he may not be..again that's up to Jesus to decide for all of us, not you or I. Both of you should take note though, that not everyone who is out there supporting your beliefs, is truly demonstrating love. Particularly when those beliefs contradict what is written within the scriptures.

Originally posted by Thundar
We are commanded to worship only one god, not two..meaning that Christ is undoubtly one with the father. I do not understand God completely, so I cannot explain to you why he chooses to represent himself in this way.

But I can testify to you that if one denies Christ as being one with the father, as well as denies him of possessing the same amount of authority as the father, then they are denying the divinity of Christ.

Originally posted by Thundar
I apologize if my tone came across as insulting or condescending. As that was not my purpose. My purpose was to inform you that any "love of others" that you see present within this world, should not be equated or looked for in Christ. As Christians, we should look for Christ's love in those of this world and teach this love to others who cannot see it, not the other way around.

Originally posted by Thundar
He may be, or he may not be..again that's up to Jesus to decide for all of us, not you or I. Both of you should take note though, that not everyone who is out there supporting your beliefs, is truly demonstrating love. Particularly when those beliefs contradict what is written within the scriptures.

Originally posted by Regret
Interestingly enough, it was only in the last decade that Catholics decided we were no longer to be considered "Christian".

So in essence, at one time Catholics did consider Mormons to be Christians?
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That's what I'm hearing here.

Originally posted by Regret
Shaky's a Buddhist, and one of the most Christian individuals I know.

Pfft. 😱

Shaky's not even human.

😛

Originally posted by BobbyD
So in essence, at one time Catholics did consider Mormons to be Christians?
😕

That's what I'm hearing here.

It may have been that they were silent before. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It may have been that they were silent before. 😉

Really? What did they say?

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