Christians...

Originally posted by peejayd
* is this the verse?

"Else what shall they do that are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?"
American Standard Version
I Corinthians 15:29

* it was written as those that are baptized for the dead... it is not the dead who is baptized... but the living person being baptized for the dead... in a revised version:

[i]"Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?"
Revised Standard Version

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You are the worst Buddist I've ever met. (you should hunt ducks with a shotgun btw)

You just don't like my bandanna. 😛

runlfrun Watch the girl and be happy.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You just don't like my bandanna. 😛

runlfrun Watch the girl and be happy.

seriously where do you get those?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes, that is the verse. It raises a lot of questions. My biggest one would be, how do you get baptized on the behalf of the dead and what effect would that have?

* first, we must see the context, albeit, the whole chapter 15 of I Corinthians... it is the mystery of resurrection... and the best example is our Lord Christ Jesus...

"Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?"
I Corinthians 15:29

* who was the one being referred to as "dead" in the verse? it was Jesus... Jesus died... Saint Paul raised an argument here for those who are doubtful of Jesus' resurrection... that's why he asks some doubtful Corinthians the question: "If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?"

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
Matthew 28:19-20

"And Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
Acts 2:38

* the members in the Church are baptized after the commandment of Jesus who died... Saint Paul argues the fact that if they are baptized for the dead (Jesus), their baptism is null and void because:

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward; but the memory of them is lost."
Ecclesiastes 9:5

* the dead knows nothing... the argument was excellently done by Saint Paul to prove Jesus' resurrection... and also prove the authenticity of the baptism the members of the Church had once received... 😉

As I lay in my bed thinking of what god is and trying to be more inept to see this being, I can see the abuse of old old books, old old thought, and non that have studied anthology...

I'm going to bed now, good night.,

Originally posted by peejayd
* first, we must see the context, albeit, the whole chapter 15 of I Corinthians... it is the mystery of resurrection... and the best example is our Lord Christ Jesus...

"Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?"
I Corinthians 15:29

* who was the one being referred to as "dead" in the verse? it was Jesus... Jesus died... Saint Paul raised an argument here for those who are doubtful of Jesus' resurrection... that's why he asks some doubtful Corinthians the question: "If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?"

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
Matthew 28:19-20

"And Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
Acts 2:38

* the members in the Church are baptized after the commandment of Jesus who died... Saint Paul argues the fact that if they are baptized for the dead (Jesus), their baptism is null and void because:

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward; but the memory of them is lost."
Ecclesiastes 9:5

* the dead knows nothing... the argument was excellently done by Saint Paul to prove Jesus' resurrection... and also prove the authenticity of the baptism the members of the Church had once received... 😉

Or perhaps it is more simple and is referring to vicarious work for those that have passed away without the opportunity to receive the Gospel, thus allowing them the possibility of accepting Christ, thus proving God as a just being.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Now, to answer Regret's question at the beginning of the thread: Why aren't Mormon considered "true" Christians? (Please correct me if any of this is incorrect.)

1. The Book of Mormon is not part of the Bible.

2. There is historical evidence suggesting that Smith and his early followers had involvements with things generally deemed "occultic."

3. Smith's ability to translate the text was based on his use of a "seer stone" placed into a hat, which he then put to his face--which is occultic in nature.

4. Smith lied to his followers about receiving the Book of Mormon from an angel--at least, he may have. Letters unearthed from one of his early disciples claim that he obtained it from a "magical white salamander" that transformed itself into a spirit. (Now, this is a bit of a tangent, and I have not thought upon it thoroughly, but a salamander and a serpent are not so different, especially if they both speak.)

5. It is taught that men and women can become gods/goddesses and will be worshiped by others if they achieve this status.

6. It is taught that Yahweh was once a man who became God.

7. It is taught that the Holy Spirit is a spirit in the form of a man.

8. Baptism for the dead is practiced (a misinterpretation of Paul's writing in 1 Corinthians).

9. "As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be."

Originally posted by Regret
My question is for anyone that feels themselves capable of denying another individual of classifying themselves as Christian.

What is it that leads you to believe yourself in a position to make such a statement?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes, that is the verse. It raises a lot of questions. My biggest one would be, how do you get baptized on the behalf of the dead and what effect would that have?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Now, to answer Regret's question at the beginning of the thread: Why aren't Mormon considered "true" Christians? (Please correct me if any of this is incorrect.)

4. Smith lied to his followers about receiving the Book of Mormon from an angel--at least, he may have. Letters unearthed from one of his early disciples claim that he obtained it from a "magical white salamander" that transformed itself into a spirit. (Now, this is a bit of a tangent, and I have not thought upon it thoroughly, but a salamander and a serpent are not so different, especially if they both speak.)

This is inaccurate, but it is a claim made by detractors of the LDS faith. LDS history does not, and never has, held record of such a statement. Also, Joseph Smith was shown where the Book of Mormon was buried, he was not given them by the angel. The claim of lie as presented can be used against any subjective statement in any religion, including the claims made by the Bible. Atheists often state that claims to Christ's divinity were of the same type of lie.

Originally posted by FeceMan
5. It is taught that men and women can become gods/goddesses and will be worshiped by others if they achieve this status.

The rest are fairly accurate. Although I do not see why the Book of Mormon not being a part of the Bible would impact one's being Christian, it is not a part of the Bible, it is the word of God recorded by someone other than the Hebrews of the old world.

Whoops. I thought you were also going for why people didn't consider Mormons to be Christians.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Whoops. I thought you were also going for why people didn't consider Mormons to be Christians.

Mormons are Christians but not all Christians are Mormons. That's how it works with pedigree. 😎 😆

I just find it funny how anyone can claim they have all the answers....