Christians...

Catholics and Protestants alike have killed people.....that must mean niether of your organizations are of God

Originally posted by peejayd
* and Jesus also commanded His followers to love their enemies... so, is it correct for me to say that any religious organization that kills people is not of God? 😉

not quite

A christian organization that promotes and practices violence does go against teachings in the bible. This does not mean that they don't think they're doing God's work however.

Secondly not all religious organizations are Christian and a few religions can be interpereted to condone violence.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A christian organization that promotes and practices violence does go against teachings in the bible. This does not mean that they don't think they're doing God's work however.

* whoa... care to expound this matter? violence esp. killings and murders are transgression in Old and moreso in the New Testament... i doubt that an organization that promotes and practices violence can do God's work... dontgetit

Originally posted by peejayd
* whoa, wait... you reject Saint Paul's epistles, and Saint Peter's... now, Saint James'? what other books/letters in the Bible do you reject? and how come you always stick in the Old Testament? that's only for all Israel, my friend... 😉

Answer me this...If you make all creation and if came from you, right, then if some of your liveing creation didn't please you...you torment it?

OK,........If my body were to produce all of my cells and limbs and one thing got sick, would I cut it off and torment it ....??

Originally posted by debbiejo
I regect them all except for the parables............other things were told fourth of others and ya know.......lies..........

Answer me this...If you make all creation and if came from you, right, then if some of your living creation didn't please you...you torment it?

OK,........If my body were to produce all of my cells and limbs and one thing got sick, would I cut it off and torment it ....??

Would you?

Sorry the screwed up edit.......... 🙁

Originally posted by peejayd
* whoa... care to expound this matter? violence esp. killings and murders are transgression in Old and moreso in the New Testament... i doubt that an organization that promotes and practices violence can do God's work... dontgetit

I didn't say they were really doing God's work I meant they might be of that belief

Not to bash but Charles Manson was convinced he was doing God's work just as much as many great peace loving religious leaders have been

Originally posted by debbiejo
I regect them all except for the parables............other things were tell fourth of others and ya know.......lies..........

* why except the parables? if all those parables are in the context of the Four Gospels you seemed to reject?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Answer me this...If you make all creation and if came from you, right, then if some of your liveing creation didn't please you...you torment it?

* if i am a creator, yes... i can create a new one... this is what you failed to understand, my friend... if you are a creator, you want your creatures to serve you, but how would you feel if one despises and curses you instead? and one serves, praises and give thanks to you?

Originally posted by debbiejo
OK,........If my body were to produce all of my cells and limbs and one thing got sick, would I cut it off and torment it ....??

* a house lizard in trouble was willing to sacrifice a cut-off tail because it will regrow later... God created the heavens and the earth, but these will eventually end... and God will create a new heaven and new earth... 😉

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I didn't say they were really doing God's work I meant they might be of that belief

* their belief... but what do you think is the basis of Christian doctrine? question

Originally posted by peejayd

* if i am a creator, yes... i can create a new one... this is what you failed to understand, my friend... if you are a creator, you want your creatures to serve you, but how would you feel if one despises and curses you instead? and one serves, praises and give thanks to you?

If I created a universe I would want it populated with interesting people not a mob of people going pray constantly

If one of my creations got pissed at me I'd be the bigger man and ignore it because I'M FKING GOD.

Originally posted by peejayd
* their belief... but what do you think is the basis of Christian doctrine? question

Faith in the lord of the heavens and earth

And acceptance that salvation come through his son Jesus Christ

aren't you the one thats been posting about how we should so what God wants us to do anyway? Manson and my psycotics think they are doing just that (I think they're wrong)

The fact that God EVER condoned violence, whether recently or thousands of years ago, says a lot about this "unchanging" God...

I refuse to worship this kind of being, so sorry

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If I created a universe I would want it populated with interesting people not a mob of people going pray constantly

* i can't picture the followers of Christ doing that, i mean constantly... true Christians in the Bible are interesting people...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If one of my creations got pissed at me I'd be the bigger man and ignore it because I'M FKING GOD.

* but there is an afterlife... where would you put those who loved you, and those who despises you?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Faith in the lord of the heavens and earth

And acceptance that salvation come through his son Jesus Christ

aren't you the one thats been posting about how we should so what God wants us to do anyway? Manson and my psycotics think they are doing just that (I think they're wrong)

* i believe the basis of Christian doctrine is the Bible, esp. the New Testament...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The fact that God EVER condoned violence, whether recently or thousands of years ago, says a lot about this "unchanging" God...

I refuse to worship this kind of being, so sorry

* both Old and New Testament tells us that killing is a transgression against God... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* i can't picture the followers of Christ doing that, i mean constantly

Never been to a catholic church then, have you?

But, I guess they're not "true" christians....just the ones who invented it.

* i meant constantly... catholics go to church every Sunday, and others only on their birthday and Christmas... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* both Old and New Testament tells us that killing is a transgression against God... 😉

Except when He condones it:

Numbers 31:7-18

So they made war against Midian, just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed every male.

They killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword.

The sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods they plundered.

Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire.

They took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast.

They brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho.

Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.

Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.

And Moses said to them:

"Have you spared all the women?

Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the LORD.

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves."

Oh, wow Moses is SUCH a role model Peejayd !

God, he must be the most Loving and Forgiving being ordering the deaths of thousands of men 🙄

War != murder.

Originally posted by FeceMan
War != murder.

The Lord cannot be a man of War AND Peace...it's either one or the other

And i would hardly call God flooding the entire Earth, killing young Egyptian men in effort to hurt every family, sending plagues, and burning down two cities a "war"

It's more like a slaughter

* all in the Old Testament... and even if God commanded those things in the Old Testament, God is giver of life and He can take it whenever He wants to...

"See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; And there is none that can deliver out of my hand."
Deuteronomy 32:39

* that is the power/authority of the God Almighty...

* and as i have said, all in the Old Testament... what's more important is the New... killings are trangression against God...

"Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire."
Matthew 5:21-22

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians 5:19-21

* now the commandment is more strict... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* all in the Old Testament... and even if God commanded those things in the Old Testament, God is giver of life and He can take it whenever He wants to...

"See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; And there is none that can deliver out of my hand."
Deuteronomy 32:39

* that is the power/authority of the God Almighty...

* and as i have said, all in the Old Testament... what's more important is the New... killings are trangression against God...

"Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire."
Matthew 5:21-22

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians 5:19-21

* now the commandment is more strict... 😉

Whether or not murder is wrong is not arbitrary to the will of God. Murder is either a transgression against God or it is not.