Originally posted by quanchi112😆 😆 😆
again wake up, he got owned by superman who is comparable to thor. darkseid couldnt beat beyonder/maker
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have read them actually.
You're lying.
There is no way you could have read them and made that mistake. Absolutely no way.
It's you who aren't willing to just realize what the new gods are. how do you explain supergirl on apok as a gnat? she flew there under her own angelic power and was like a speck to the gods.
Yeah, it must be that I'm not willing to realize it. Couldn't be I just have a better understanding of the situation than you do.
Here is the thing...I'm not arguing that the New Gods aren't bigger than mortals. Thats been established, both in the S'ivva example and in the Supergirl you mention.
The original poster I was responding to said the New Gods were bigger than a universe. That is flatly untrue. Not even in the bit that introduced them did they seem bigger than a universe.
And OUR conversation was specifically about the "universe in the hand" showing, which was a metaphor but you are trying to claim as literal.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you mean when the uber powerful joker and mxy where playing with them as if they were chess pieces? As in not in thier control and mxy resets everything?
No, he probably means in Apokolips Now, which was a legit loss, or the Austen Action Comics issue where he and his army was thrown back into a Boom Tube.
Originally posted by Desaad
You're lying.There is no way you could have read them and made that mistake. Absolutely no way.
Yeah, it must be that I'm not willing to realize it. Couldn't be I just have a better understanding of the situation than you do.
Here is the thing...I'm not arguing that the New Gods aren't bigger than mortals. Thats been established, both in the S'ivva example and in the Supergirl you mention.
The original poster I was responding to said the New Gods were bigger than a universe. That is flatly untrue. Not even in the bit that introduced them did they seem bigger than a universe.
And OUR conversation was specifically about the "universe in the hand" showing, which was a metaphor but you are trying to claim as literal.
A metaphore? OH PLEASE. everytime a rediculous feat involves the new gods it's a metaphore. Like when highfather and DS shook the cosmos when fighting and destroyed planets with thier mere presence. people say it was a metaphore. I'm not buying it. And many silly people have called me a liar and been made to look a fool. you realize it was I many months ago who brought up the true forms. No one was talking about them before me. And Orion said the universes were bubbles. So yeah, the new gods are bigger than universes in thier true form.
Originally posted by Desaad
No, he probably means in Apokolips Now, which was a legit loss, or the Austen Action Comics issue where he and his army was thrown back into a Boom Tube.
I'd have to study those. I'm sure I can pick apart both. It's very easy to do. Supers never beats DS for real. It's always some dumb moment of PIS or something someone missed.
Originally posted by starking
Why do you think Thanos wins?
Like it or not, he has a number of low showings...lower than post ressurection Thanos.
Vs Doomsday (nearly dying once, being scarred enough to run away another time), vs Superman (Apokolips Now!, OWAW fight II, Austen's Action Comics, Superman/Batman Supergirl arc).
Darkseid, I hope, is on his way back to prominence, but for right now he has more low showings than Thanos does.
Originally posted by Desaad
Like it or not, he has a number of low showings...lower than post ressurection Thanos.Vs Doomsday (nearly dying once, being scarred enough to run away another time), vs Superman (Apokolips Now!, OWAW fight II, Austen's Action Comics, Superman/Batman Supergirl arc).
Darkseid, I hope, is on his way back to prominence, but for right now he has more low showings than Thanos does.
doomsday once adapted to the near limitless energies of a gaurdian and cost him his life. DS killed doomsday and dd adapted and came back even stronger. As his character always does. Superman batman arc doesn't count. mxy showed his hand in that one.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A metaphore? OH PLEASE. everytime a rediculous feat involves the new gods it's a metaphore. Like when highfather and DS shook the cosmos when fighting and destroyed planets with thier mere presence. people say it was a metaphore. I'm not buying it.
I don't care if you don't buy it. That was a metaphor too, and its obvious from the context.
And many silly people have called me a liar and been made to look a fool. you realize it was I many months ago who brought up the true forms. No one was talking about them before me. And Orion said the universes were bubbles. So yeah, the new gods are bigger than universes in thier true form.
You may have been the first one to bring them up on this board, but the New Gods' true form has been talked about since before I started posting on Alvaroes and SHC, way back in 1998, so you aren't the first ever to talk about it.
What I suspect is that you went to a site -- probably Sean's Fourth World website - read the FAQ and then mentioned it here. Or maybe you saw it on another discussion board.
Either way, you aren't the first to mention it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
doomsday once adapted to the near limitless energies of a gaurdian and cost him his life. DS killed doomsday and dd adapted and came back even stronger.
There is no evidence that Darkseid killed Doomsday. Given the length of time he was down, it is more likely that he just knocked him back for a little.
Doomsday was defeated, handily, by Superman a number of times. He's not far beyond top tier in most showings.
As his character always does. Superman batman arc doesn't count. mxy showed his hand in that one.
I don't see how that totally invalidates everything from the series. I can see you arguing it, but it isn't absolutely true.
Originally posted by Desaad
I don't care if you don't buy it. That was a metaphor too, and its obvious from the context.You may have been the first one to bring them up on this board, but the New Gods' true form has been talked about since before I started posting on Alvaroes and SHC, way back in 1998, so you aren't the first ever to talk about it.
What I suspect is that you went to a site -- probably Sean's Fourth World website - read the FAQ and then mentioned it here. Or maybe you saw it on another discussion board.
Either way, you aren't the first to mention it.
I expect that you dont' know what the **** you are talking about. I have that book. I even remember the art. it looked just like the art from a silver surfer one shot. I think a guy named claudio drew the surfer one shot. please dont' tell me i looked at a site. get the fuk outtta here. If I looked at a site i would have remembered the book numbers. everyone here knows I dont' remember book numbers for shit. but I remember reading what I read. And I was the first one HERE who brought up the new gods true forms. HERE. as In ON THIS ****ING SITE.
Originally posted by Desaadget him desaad, i for one actually respect ur new gods knowledge. ur not biased and dont try to misrepresent the facts as nver obviously does.
I don't care if you don't buy it. That was a metaphor too, and its obvious from the context.You may have been the first one to bring them up on this board, but the New Gods' true form has been talked about since before I started posting on Alvaroes and SHC, way back in 1998, so you aren't the first ever to talk about it.
What I suspect is that you went to a site -- probably Sean's Fourth World website - read the FAQ and then mentioned it here. Or maybe you saw it on another discussion board.
Either way, you aren't the first to mention it.
Originally posted by Desaad
There is no evidence that Darkseid killed Doomsday. Given the length of time he was down, it is more likely that he just knocked him back for a little.Doomsday was defeated, handily, by Superman a number of times. He's not far beyond top tier in most showings.
I don't see how that totally invalidates everything from the series. I can see you arguing it, but it isn't absolutely true.
Except we know that doomsday adapts to the challenge at hand. Superman isn't the radiant nor is he a guardian. doomsday had nothing supremely powerful to adapt to. like oh say the omega beams. which didn't knock him back for a bit. they burried him and stopped his halt and darksied had time for a nice monologue.
Originally posted by DesaadWell to be fair a few low showings should not discount a character's history 😉. Yes I'll admit Darkseid has some truely embarrasing moments, but compared to the numerous good ones, I for one can't take it seriously. It's just plain bad writing what it is. Superman is Dc's poster boy, and with his kind of powerset ANYTHING can be possible. Besides, he recently soloed Firestorm, Orion, and Mr.Miracle, two of the bunch are near, or greater than Superman in power. Btw, wasn't Doomsday beating Darkseid retconned?
Like it or not, he has a number of low showings...lower than post ressurection Thanos.Vs Doomsday (nearly dying once, being scarred enough to run away another time), vs Superman (Apokolips Now!, OWAW fight II, Austen's Action Comics, Superman/Batman Supergirl arc).
Darkseid, I hope, is on his way back to prominence, but for right now he has more low showings than Thanos does.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I expect that you dont' know what the **** you are talking about.
Burn.
I have that book.
How could you mistake the Mr. Miracle scene for being from the same book?
Why did you say you "suspect" what the plot was, if you had read it, and own it?
I even remember the art.
From the scans earlier in this thread?
it looked just like the art from a silver surfer one shot. I think a guy named claudio drew the surfer one shot.
Claudio Castellini drew the Dangerous Artifacts one shot, that is correct.
Claudio Castellini did not draw this issue of the New Gods.
please dont' tell me i looked at a site. get the fuk outtta here. If I looked at a site i would have remembered the book numbers. everyone here knows I dont' remember book numbers for shit. but I remember reading what I read. And I was the first one HERE who brought up the new gods true forms. HERE. as In ON THIS ****ING SITE.
Congratulations. It was still talked about years before you brought it up, so give the patting yourself on the back a rest for a minute.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Get lost chump. he's only arguing his own interpretation. The fact remains that Orion said that the universes where bubbles.
Yes, bubbles compared to the true universe of New Genesis.
Not compared to Orion's size. Orion and company looked big enough that planets were the size of marbles to them. That is it.
Originally posted by Desaad
Burn.How could you mistake the Mr. Miracle scene for being from the same book?
Why did you say you "suspect" what the plot was, if you had read it, and own it?
From the scans earlier in this thread?
Claudio Castellini drew the Dangerous Artifacts one shot, that is correct.
Claudio Castellini did not draw this issue of the New Gods.
Congratulations. It was still talked about years before you brought it up, so give the patting yourself on the back a rest for a minute.
Are you stupid or what? who the hell said the mr. miracle scene was from the same book as the orion and superman scene? I sure as hell didn't. please find it for me.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Except we know that doomsday adapts to the challenge at hand. Superman isn't the radiant nor is he a guardian. doomsday had nothing supremely powerful to adapt to. like oh say the omega beams. which didn't knock him back for a bit. they burried him and stopped his halt and darksied had time for a nice monologue.
Superman has fought Doomsday a number of times. Why hasn't he adapted to that?
Doomsday most likely wasn't killed by Darkseid. We've never seen him ressurect that fast from a death, a true death.
What that means is that, in that showing, Darkseid's Omegas delivered less power than did Superman's punches, or the Radiant's energies.
Originally posted by starking
Well to be fair a few low showings should not discount a character's history 😉. Yes I'll admit Darkseid has some truely embarrasing moments, but compared to the numerous good ones, I for one can't take it seriously. It's just plain bad writing what it is. Superman is Dc's poster boy, and with his kind of powerset ANYTHING can be possible. Besides, he recently soloed Firestorm, Orion, and Mr.Miracle, two of the bunch are near, or greater than Superman in power. Btw, wasn't Doomsday beating Darkseid retconned?
No, it wasn't. Fan speculation retconned it in some people's minds, but no books support that specifically.