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The PT vs. The Old-School

1. Grandmaster Yoda vs. Darth Revan
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

2. Palpatine/Darth SIdious vs. Exar Kun
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

3. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus vs. Darth Sion
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

4. Mace Windu vs. Darth Malak
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

5. Anakin Skywalker vs. Kas'im
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

6. ? vs. Darth Traya (can't think of an opponent for her. Pick your own from the PT Jedi/Sith that have not been used)
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Darth Sexy Restricted

Re: The PT vs. The Old-School

Originally posted by Nikkolas
[B]1. Grandmaster Yoda vs. Darth Revan
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

A. Both were the best in the order in the force and in saber abilities. I am leaning towards a complete draw here based on the fact that Revan, like Palpatine, was a master strategist and would try to gain advantage somehow. If he doesn't, Yoda more than likely wins both.

2. Palpatine/Darth SIdious vs. Exar Kun
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

What Sidious is this? If its DE Sidious, he'd win both. If it's any other Sidious, he wins in the force duel, although they're close. If it's a saber duel, Kun wins.

3. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus vs. Darth Sion
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Sion might be somewhat invincible, but I think Dooku is superior to him in both saber and force abilities, so he'd win both.

4. Mace Windu vs. Darth Malak
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Mace is superior in saber combat, that much is a fact. The force abilities are debatable, but I would give that one to Malak.

5. Anakin Skywalker vs. Kas'im
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Both are master swordsman, but Kas'im's experience and saber knowledge are superior to Anakin's, so he would win the saber duel. Anakin would win the force duel.

Kadesh Restricted

Re: The PT vs. The Old-School

Originally posted by Nikkolas
1. Grandmaster Yoda vs. Darth Revan
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Yoda

Originally posted by Nikkolas

2. Palpatine/Darth SIdious vs. Exar Kun
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Sidious

Originally posted by Nikkolas

3. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus vs. Darth Sion
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Dooku

Originally posted by Nikkolas

4. Mace Windu vs. Darth Malak
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Windu

Originally posted by Nikkolas

5. Anakin Skywalker vs. Kas'im
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Anakin in saber kasim in the force

Originally posted by Nikkolas

6. ? vs. Darth Traya (can't think of an opponent for her. Pick your own from the PT Jedi/Sith that [b]have not been used)
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel [/B]

How about post suit vader?

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Re: The PT vs. The Old-School

Originally posted by Nikkolas
1. Grandmaster Yoda vs. Darth Revan
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

This will be Draw.

a. Revan has excellent Saber Skills. Revan will stalemate Yoda, if not win in this category.
b. Revan's Force knowledge is no joke either (hint: POD). This will be like Sidious vs Yoda scenario but Revan won't be defeated even in this case. Call it stalemate again.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
2. Palpatine/Darth SIdious vs. Exar Kun
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Palpatine will win after a hard fight because Exar Kun was no push over either. But Kun might has a chance with his Amulets (if he has them).

Originally posted by Nikkolas
3. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus vs. Darth Sion
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Count Dooku is better over-all then Sion but Sion has immortality. So this fight is more then an average clash.

Scenario 1: (Possible)
Dooku is good at convincing others and he might convince Sion to die, then he wins.

Scenario 2:
And if Sion is not convinced to die then Sion takes this.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
4. Mace Windu vs. Darth Malak
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

a. Mace
b. Malak

Originally posted by Nikkolas
5. Anakin Skywalker vs. Kas'im
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

a. This is Draw (Kas'im is too good with Saber)
b. Kas'im perhaps.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
6. ? vs. Darth Traya (can't think of an opponent for her. Pick your own from the PT Jedi/Sith that have not been used)
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

You decide and then I will post my view.

Kadesh Restricted

Re: Re: The PT vs. The Old-School

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This will be [b]Draw.
a. Revan has excellent Saber Skills. Revan will stalemate Yoda, if not win in this category.
b. Revan's Force knowledge is no joke either (hint: POD). This will be like Sidious vs Yoda scenario but Revan won't be defeated even in this case. Call it stalemate again.
[/B]

1. We dont know what form revan uses, and just because he is excellent doesnt mean he will draw, Dooku was excellent and got wacked by anakin, sidious is excellent and got wacked by windu
2. Revan is much stronger as a jedi as malak stated and thus he became a foe of darkness, Yoda on the other hand has been stated to be the strongest foe of darkness

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Re: Re: Re: The PT vs. The Old-School

Originally posted by Kadesh
1. We dont know what form revan uses, and just because he is excellent doesnt mean he will draw, Dooku was excellent and got wacked by anakin, sidious is excellent and got wacked by windu
2. Revan is much stronger as a jedi as malak stated and thus he became a foe of darkness, Yoda on the other hand has been stated to be the strongest foe of darkness

1. Revan uses a modified Saber Form with combination of elements of Juyo and Djem techniques when wielding a single Saber. This can be seen in a video in KOTOR Game. He also unleashes Jar Kai form, when facing large number of individuals (indicated in wookiee).

2. We don't know that whether Revan is much stronger as a Jedi or not because Revan as a DLOTS was also very powerful and Malak did not knew jack shit about his true knowledge and betrayed him from afar. POD actually shows the DLOTS form of Revan and he was indicated to be very powerful even as a Sith.

Yoda was indeed the greatest foe to the darkness but you should note that he lived for over 800 years and remained the true servant of Light through-out his life and never fell to the Dark Side. And his power and experience are just a few of the total reasons. But this does not guarantees him victory in every fight against some one as powerful as Revan. I would still call it a "draw" because Revan not just uses his power in fights but also uses his smart mind to out-smart his enemies.

Kadesh Restricted

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Revan uses a modified Saber Form with combination of elements of Juyo and Djem techniques when wielding a single Saber. This can be seen in a video in KOTOR Game. He also unleashes [b]Jar Kai form, when facing large number of individuals (indicated in wookiee).
[/B]

And where did you get this ridiculous assertion? There is no evidence that he even used djem so or even juyo, And that "jar kai" picture was only fanart due to seeing revan in K2 holding 2 sabers, So he might be using jar kai, and yoda can simply switch to makashi which is jar kais weakness as dooku proved

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

2. We don't know that whether Revan is much stronger as a Jedi or not because Revan as a DLOTS was also very powerful and Malak did not knew jack shit about his true knowledge and betrayed him from afar. POD actually shows the DLOTS form of Revan and he was indicated to be very powerful even as a Sith.

He was even stronger as a jedi, malak knows him as obi knows anakin. Come on they were pals for a long time, and malak could "sense" his power as a redeemed jedi and therefore made his statement

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Yoda was indeed the greatest foe to the darkness but you should note that he lived for over 800 years and remained the true servant of Light through-out his life and never fell to the Dark Side. And his power and experience are just a few of the total reasons. But this does not guarantees him victory in every fight against some one as powerful as Revan. I would still call it a "draw" because Revan not just uses his power in fights but also uses his [b]smart mind to out-smart his enemies. [/B]

it does, simply because he is the strongest jedi until NJO luke. It garentees victory in fact almost every one, save for sidious whom is his equal

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The PT vs. The Old-School

Originally posted by Kadesh
And where did you get this ridiculous assertion? There is no evidence that he even used djem so or even juyo, And that "jar kai" picture was only fanart due to seeing revan in K2 holding 2 sabers, So he might be using jar kai, and yoda can simply switch to makashi which is jar kais weakness as dooku proved

Jar Kai style is confirmed as it was shown in K2. Revan's other form is closely related to Juyo but it is more modified. Regardless of this, Revan was excellent in Saber Dueling.

Originally posted by Kadesh
He was even stronger as a jedi, malak knows him as obi knows anakin. Come on they were pals for a long time, and malak could "sense" his power as a redeemed jedi and therefore made his statement

Revan did not shared all of his knowledge with Malak. He kept his work secret from Malak and thats why Malak had second thoughts about Revan's intentions. Revan was far stronger then Malak even when he was a Sith.

Revan himself says that he was as strong in the Light as he was with the Dark.

Originally posted by Kadesh
it does, simply because he is the strongest jedi until NJO luke. It garentees victory in fact almost every one, save for sidious whom is his equal

This is questionable. Even Count Dooku put up a good fight against him and Revan is more then twice as powerful as Dooku.

Yoda might be able to beat Revan in a few cases but not in all situations.

Kadesh Restricted

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Jar Kai style is confirmed as it was shown in K2. Revan's other form is closely related to Juyo but it is more modified. Regardless of this, Revan was excellent in Saber Dueling.

Wrong, do you even know how the juyo stance looks like?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan did not shared all of his knowledge with Malak. He kept his work secret from Malak and thats why Malak had second thoughts about Revan's intentions. Revan was far stronger then Malak even when he was a Sith.

Doenst change the fact yoda > revan

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

This is questionable. Even Count Dooku put up a good fight against him and Revan is more then twice as powerful as Dooku.

What the hell? Did you know what on earth you just said? Dooku is close to vader in power, and vader is very close in power to sidious. By what you just said, revan > sidious is it? Dooku would give revan a hard time then go down. To make things worse, you said revan is more than twice as powerful as dooku, that would make him lets say 50% stronger than sidious?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Yoda might be able to beat Revan in a few cases but not in all situations.

Give me an example. id say in many cases, yoda > revan and yoda lifted a mountain by the way, far better than what revan has ever done

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((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

Wow, S W Legend yammering Revan BS as usual. How surprising. 🙄

Lord Saboteur Utinni!

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Wow, S W Legend yammering Revan BS as usual. How surprising. 🙄

And Kadesh, yammering some untranslatable BS as usual. How suprising. Sometimes I can see us all in some retirement home, arguing the same things over and over again.

Faunus Boss

Re: The PT vs. The Old-School

Originally posted by Nikkolas 1. Grandmaster Yoda vs. Darth Revan
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Insofar as Revan is a complete unknown. . .

2. Palpatine/Darth SIdious vs. Exar Kun
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

I'd say Exar takes Sidious in a lightsaber duel, and possibly the Force duel, too, if he uses his amulets well.

3. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus vs. Darth Sion
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

I'm assuming Dooku's the better duelist, and arguably a superior Force-user. But Sion, like Revan, is an unknown.

4. Mace Windu vs. Darth Malak
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

Unknown, again, but I guess Malak would take it in a Force battle.

5. Anakin Skywalker vs. Kas'im
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

I don't see why Anakin would win this, given Kas'im's absurd mastery of the lightsaber, and greater experience with the Dark Side.

General Kenobl [:::::{============)

The PT vs. The Old-School
1. Grandmaster Yoda vs. Darth Revan
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel
2. Palpatine/Darth SIdious vs. Exar Kun
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel
3. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus vs. Darth Sion
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel
4. Mace Windu vs. Darth Malak
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel
5. Anakin Skywalker vs. Kas'im
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel
6. ? vs. Darth Traya (can't think of an opponent for her. Pick your own from the PT Jedi/Sith that have not been used)
a. Lightsaber duel
b. Force duel

1. A- Yoda
B- Yoda, albeit a tough fight from the Sith Lord.

2. A- Sidious (most powerful Sith Lord in existence)
B- Sidious

3. A- Tyrannus (hmm I would say Dooku's Dun Moch is strong enough to break Sion's will to live, and Dooku is better with a lightsaber)
B- Sion? Though Tyrannus was able to bring Ventress down a finger...

4. A- Mace (the Vapaad and Shatterpoint take out Malak)
B- Hmmm interesting....this is not exactly easy to say....somebody can debate this.

5. A- Anakin (Powerful Djem So overwhelms Kas'Im two lightsaber style)
B- Kas'Im probably.

6. I'll go with TESB Vader for this match. If Traya has Instakill, well I guess she might win. However...

A- Vader (he may be slow, but he's extremely skilled with the blade)
B- Vader (he has quite considerable Force strength)

Darth Sexy Restricted

Faunus, how is Revan a complete unknown? After reading POD, we know he is at the very least, on par with the likes of Exar Kun. The only unknown details are his lightsaber dueling abilities.
And Exar Kun wins if this is any versionf Sidious except DE..

Mic Assassin Restricted

That's evry much true, he's gardly an unknown, people just don't seem to have paid too much attention during KotOR.

Lightsnake Senior Member

In the Force, Palpatine>Exar.

And in the Force alone, Mace's still a powerhouse....not afraid to use somethings that may be considered 'dark'

Faunus Boss

Originally posted by Darth Sexy Faunus, how is Revan a complete unknown? After reading POD, we know he is at the very least, on par with the likes of Exar Kun.

Pardon me for not reading PoD, but how did you come to this conclusion?

The only unknown details are his lightsaber dueling abilities.

Yeah, which is half the battle.

And Exar Kun wins if this is any versionf Sidious except DE..

Agreed. Although I still think the amulet blast should be able to do him in.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Faunus
Pardon me for not reading PoD, but how did you come to this conclusion?

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Bane's Darkside knowledge comes from his holocron. However, it's a given that Yoda is stronger than him.

Yeah, which is half the battle.
Agreed. Although I still think the amulet blast should be able to do him in.

Seriously....Palpatine is pretty much the strongest as is by ROTS...and those amulet blasts are the most overrated thing ever, considering:
A. You're telling me master force users can't deflect or block them? wen was the last time they were used on an opponent of any significance?
B. Palpaitne is fast enough to dodge them
C. Palpatine has Sith amulets of his own, enough to give them out to his servants like they meant nothing and survive an attack from a Kashi-Mer talisman....those amulets should mean little to him.

Faunus Boss

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Bane's Darkside knowledge comes from his holocron. However, it's a given that Yoda is stronger than him.

And Bane's Dark Side knowledge trumps that of the Ancient Sith?

Seriously....Palpatine is pretty much the strongest as is by ROTS...

You're entitled to your opinion.

and those amulet blasts are the most overrated thing ever, considering:
A. You're telling me master force users can't deflect or block them? wen was the last time they were used on an opponent of any significance?

Where's the evidence for anyone being able to do so? The only people who'd logically have the ability would be the ancients, as they created them and would probably have similar countermeasures. And did you miss the part where they ripped through Massassi (Dark-Siders), an alchemically created Sith wyrm, and the walls of temple itself?

B. Palpaitne is fast enough to dodge them

From a mile away, sure. But considering he couldn't even deflect Yoda's telegraphed Force-push, I don't see this happening. And seriously, the circumference and size of the beam looks to grow exponentially as it gets farther away from its origin.

C. Palpatine has Sith amulets of his own, enough to give them out to his servants like they meant nothing and survive an attack from a Kashi-Mer talisman....those amulets should mean little to him.

The amulets of Naga Sadow? This is misinformation at its best, LS.