The PT vs. The Old-School

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Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Faunus
And Bane's Dark Side knowledge trumps that of the Ancient Sith?

As of PoD, no.


You're entitled to your opinion.

It's hardly opinion if it's an officially taken stance in several areas.


Where's the evidence for anyone being able to do so? The only people who'd logically have the ability would be the ancients, as they created them and would probably have similar countermeasures. And did you miss the part where they ripped through Massassi (Dark-Siders), an alchemically created Sith wyrm, and the walls of temple itself?

How about the Jedi who battled the Sith for years and defeated them in war? Considering the blasts are pure energy and Jedi can reflect/absorb/block energy...where's the proof these things are unblockable? And again: Massassi are hardly impressive...the most they could do was guide their thrown discs. Moreover, the blasts hardly did all that at once, and again: An example of them being used against a force user to the levels of an actual master?

From a mile away, sure. But considering he couldn't even deflect Yoda's telegraphed Force-push, I don't see this happening. And seriously, the circumference and size of the beam looks to grow exponentially as it gets farther away from its origin.

Considering Yoda's stronger than Exar by a good margin, I doubt Palpatine has to worry too much. And I'm sorry, the beam is only really shown when it goes through the Sith wyrm.
There's also the detail Kun never uses the things again, and Palpatine has had dozens of Sith amulets in his possession. Think he'd really dole them out so easily if he didn't know how to deal with them? Especially to people he knew wanted to kill him? Considering he could take a Keshi-Mer talisman, (The ones that caused a supernova) I doubt Sith Amulets are that problematic to him.

The amulets of Naga Sadow? This is misinformation at its best, LS.

I didn't say Naga Sadow's, I said Sith Amulets. Against the amulets, we have Palpatine's natural Dark Side abilities, speed and power, all of which significantly outclass whatever Exar's shown and the same goes for Yoda- and his ability to contain Dark Side focal points....oh, and Palpatine has one very nice advantage: His ability to directly conevene with the Ancients themselves. I really doubt some as avaracious as he failed to brin up the amulet thing.

Point is: Even if Exar can use them on skilled Force Users, he's apparently too arrogant to do so

Darth Sexy Restricted

lightsnake Faunus has a point. You've always downplayed the amulet blasts because they somehow could destroy any of the PT characters. And as Advent pointed out in the Dooku thread, Exar Kun is NOT arrogant when facing a powerful force user, he is quite rational. So the only way around those blasts are if Sidious can dodge them. If he can great, if not he loses.

Lightsnake Senior Member

No, they couldn't. You'll have to show me proof of a death to an ACTUAL JEDI attributed to those things.

And last I checked, Exar's as arrogant as you get...it's kind of a large point of his character.

Stop loving on every little last thing ancient, because it's getting on my nerves and it devolves into you ridiculing the opposition no mastter what the point.

Step back and let Faunus debate

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, they couldn't. You'll have to show me proof of a death to an ACTUAL JEDI attributed to those things.

Why would I have to do that? IT destroyed Massassi which were dark side force users. That's like asking you to show me Yoda looping in and out of the force. You can't, and neither can I, but that doesn't defeat the points.

And last I checked, Exar's as arrogant as you get...it's kind of a large point of his character.

Oh totally, cause when Ulic wanted to attack the republic, Exar Kun was all for it.. Oh wait. Advent pretty much proved that Kun was cautious and intelligent.

Stop loving on every little last thing ancient, because it's getting on my nerves and it devolves into you ridiculing the opposition no mastter what the point.

I can tell you to stop verbally fellating everything PT and crying about it because it makes you look like a nerd who's too much into SW characters, but I won't.

Step back and let Faunus debate [/B]

I've defeated your amulet blast argument time and time again, I suppose it's Faunus' turn.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Massassi are to the level of even basic Jedi? I'm laughing at the concept.

Oh, btw, caution and arrogance hardly cross one another out...Ludo was cautious. He was arrogant, too.

And no, you never defeated a thing...you claim you defeat things, but instead you complain and present 'what ifs' while ridiculing the opposition

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Massassi are to the level of even basic Jedi? I'm laughing at the concept.

A force user is a force user. Unless you can think of a technique the jedi use to block a limitless bolt of energy.

Oh, btw, caution and arrogance hardly cross one another out...Ludo was cautious. He was arrogant, too.

Prove Kun was arrogant.

And no, you never defeated a thing...you claim you defeat things, but instead you complain and present 'what ifs' while ridiculing the opposition [/B]

This coming from the one who always says "you lose you lose you lose you brat shut up" when his points are defeated. Please lightsnake, you make me laugh. No offense but I honestly cannot imagine how you react to confrontations in social situations(assuming you even do). Now, pipe down, and let yet another one of your retarded (PT Jedi are Gods) arguments get defeated.

Gideon Restricted

You two are at it again, I see. Lightsnake is right about one thing, though, DS. Simply because Kun was "cautionary" and "intelligent" doesn't necessarily mean that he's not arrogant. If that is the case, bear in mind that Sidious set in motion plans that required much, much more intellect and caution than Kun could ever dream of - and that didn't prevent him from being cocky nor arrogant, as we've seen.

Darth Sexy Restricted
Originally posted by Gideon
You two are at it again, I see. Lightsnake is right about one thing, though, DS. Simply because Kun was "cautionary" and "intelligent" doesn't necessarily mean that he's not arrogant. If that is the case, bear in mind that Sidious set in motion plans that required much, much more intellect and caution than Kun could ever dream of - and that didn't prevent him from being cocky nor arrogant, as we've seen.

Where is the proof that Kun is arrogant though? And when exactly did Sidious become arrogant? Around the PT times? I saw only intelligence in Sidious before that. When he didn't think he had an absolute chance of winning(as with Yoda), he used the surroundings to his advantage. That's hardly arrogance Escape.

Gideon Restricted

I can't honestly believe that you're going to argue this. Sidious's arrogance was what led to his destruction both times - he arrogantly assumed he'd a.) subvert Luke and b.) destroy the Alliance (think even then, he was so confident of victory that he willingly put himself in mortal danger), the first time. The second time, he arrogantly assumed that he'd be able to handle the Jedi on his deathbed.

"Everything is proceeding as I have forseen!" - RotJ. He constantly boasts about his powers and intellect there, and though it's obvious he's really intelligent and really powerful, things don't go according to plan and he dies.

His confrontation with Yoda perfectly showcases how cocky he (and Yoda as well) were. He blasted Yoda with Force lightning and then taunted Yoda instead of killing him outright, so confident was he of absolute victory - 'til Yoda stopped that theory dead in its tracks.

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by Gideon
I can't honestly believe that you're going to argue this. Sidious's arrogance was what led to his destruction both times - he arrogantly assumed he'd a.) subvert Luke and b.) destroy the Alliance (think even then, he was so confident of victory that he willingly put himself in mortal danger), the first time. The second time, he arrogantly assumed that he'd be able to handle the Jedi on his deathbed.

I could have sworn I said Pre OT, I think, as in TPM-ROTS Sidious, who displayed nothing but intelligence and masterful manipulation.

"Everything is proceeding as I have forseen!" - RotJ. He constantly boasts about his powers and intellect there, and though it's obvious he's really intelligent and really powerful, things don't go according to plan and he dies.

Again Escape, Pre OT

His confrontation with Yoda perfectly showcases how cocky he (and Yoda as well) were. He blasted Yoda with Force lightning and then taunted Yoda instead of killing him outright, so confident was he of absolute victory - 'til Yoda stopped that theory dead in its tracks. [/B]

Ok so when he saw Yoda was as powerful as he was, he ran, and when he didn't escape, he turned the fight into his favor because he knew there was no guarantee of victory. You could say his first impression was of arrogance, but I think to say he was an arrogant sith lord before the OT is wrong, but that's my perception.

Kadesh Restricted
Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
And Kadesh, yammering some untranslatable BS as usual. How suprising. Sometimes I can see us all in some retirement home, arguing the same things over and over again.

Actually, i got some advice for you, you needt to stfu. Dont get me started on flaming your ass

Lord Saboteur Utinni!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Actually, i got some advice for you, you needt to stfu. Dont get me started on flaming your ass
Advice not taken, apparently.

As for the topic: I'm a little inclined to go with Darth Sexy's first post, though I have no real source to verify Kas'im's strength, other then what I hear.

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
Advice not taken, apparently.

fine by me, you dont have to b!tch behind my back that im spewing bullshit

Lord Saboteur Utinni!

Originally posted by Kadesh
fine by me, you dont have to b!tch behind my back that im spewing bullshit
To be serious, nothing's "behind the back" on an online forum, lest it be a PM. But I'm not that much of a low kicker to anyone, unless they're like Numan and Nebaris.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
A force user is a force user. Unless you can think of a technique the jedi use to block a limitless bolt of energy.

Sure: Same thing they use to block anything else.
A force user's a force user? Ok, so I suppose no problem with a Miraluka doing everything a Fallanassi can


Prove Kun was arrogant.[/Quotes]
IT's in his goddamn character description...he defies his teachers and elders consistency, he hunts down forbidden knowledge believing it can't seduce him...that's arrogance

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This coming from the one who always says "you lose you lose you lose you brat shut up" when his points are defeated. Please lightsnake, you make me laugh. No offense but I honestly cannot imagine how you react to confrontations in social situations(assuming you even do). Now, pipe down, and let yet another one of your retarded (PT Jedi are Gods) arguments get defeated.


Which has nothing to do with right and and is an ad hominem fallacy.

And again, how nice to bring up real life, when I could respond in kind.

Of course, I won't, because I'm not an inept flamer

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
To be serious, nothing's "behind the back" on an online forum, lest it be a PM. But I'm not that much of a low kicker to anyone, unless they're like Numan and Nebaris.
W/e but the case is just because i got pwned by some debators hear doesnt mean i spew out BS all the time

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sure: Same thing they use to block anything else.
A force user's a force user? Ok, so I suppose no problem with a Miraluka doing everything a Fallanassi can

Which has nothing to do with right and and is an ad hominem fallacy.

And again, how nice to bring up real life, when I could respond in kind.

Of course, I won't, because I'm not an inept flamer

You're not an unskilled flamer? What a wise choice of words Miriam-Webster. Once again, you have no argument as to how one is to block Kun's amulet blasts. "Because they are PT Jedi" doesn't suffice in a logical debate.

Kadesh Restricted

Well why not pull the amulet of exar kuns hand? He used TK to pull it out of a statue, why cant some one do that to him?

Darth Sexy Restricted

Oh yes, because Exar Kun is just an average force user. Why not just mind trick him to kill himself then?

Mic Assassin Restricted
What a wise choice of words Miriam-Webster.

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