Originally posted by Darth SexyThen why in the other thread you kept yammering that yoda could disarm exars amulet? A powerful force user could do that, Its like saying "omg cuz vader snatched solos blaster means solo is a pussy"
Oh yes, because Exar Kun is just an average force user. Why not just mind trick him to kill himself then?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You're not an unskilled flamer? What a wise choice of words Miriam-Webster. Once again, you have no argument as to how one is to block Kun's amulet blasts. "Because they are PT Jedi" doesn't suffice in a logical debate.
All I know is I'm not you and somehow I'm content with that.
And I have offered more evidence than that, thanks.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
All I know is I'm not you and somehow I'm content with that.And I have offered more evidence than that, thanks.
You have? Wow lightsnake if it helps you sleep at night. And omg you're content that you're not me, that truly hurts. What are you, 11? Grow up, go outside. And Kadesh, Yoda "Disarming" dark side objects was a theory brought up by Nai and I think disproved by Advent.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Lightsnake dont bother, DS kept yammering that yoda despite being a powerful force user can disarm the amulet on Kun, and now when i mention it, he says nobody can disarm him... Tsk tsk contradictions galore
Actually, when Darth Sexy brought that point up in this thread, I pointed out that there's no such thing, and corrected it for him. He was basing what he said off of one of Nai's posts, which (apparently) contained false or misinterpreted material. So, it's not so much that he's contradicting himself, he merely updated his take on the situation.
So, unless there's a thread after that where Darth Sexy says such things, then - before you call someone out on such things - I'd suggest you do your homework. He made no contradiction, nice try, though.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Considering Yoda's little actions on Daobah, Ds, I don't know what you're trying to get at
Who are you talking to? If you are talking to me, I'm merely pointing out that Darth Sexy wasn't necessarily posting views contrary of what he said before. I wasn't trying to make an argument out of it, but if you want me to, sure.
1. Initially, my point was that Yoda wasn't said to even know Force Light, which can only remove (or lessen) the taint of sites, and destroy dark side spirits. That was contrary to what Nai had said, seeing as it doesn't disarm objects. Now, given that information provide evidence that he can debilitate the uses of Exar Kun's gauntlets by whatever means you seem to think he can do so.
2. What "little actions" did our esteemed muppet do, by the way? Last time I looked over the fence, Dagobah (the Dark side Cave, obviously) was a location/site, so even if he did confine the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi's energies, it's irrelevant seeing as how that's what Force Light is - and it doesn't do shit to objects.
Plus, as far as I know, Yoda didn't do anything; the Dark Jedi retreated to the cave on his/her own, and died there. All Yoda did was mortally wound the dark sider, and I haven't seen any indication that he did anything afterwards; but, if he did, prove up (even though it's still going to be irrelevant).
Mortally wound him? Yoda's apparently killed a Bpfasshi guy several times now-probably easier than decide one instance- and had to confine the energies to the single spot. When he died, presumably, they were in the cave already, or he was outside.
Point in, people throw these amulets around too damn match. There'z zero proof their unblockable, undodgeable and the greatest weapons ever made. They're another obsolete invention by a crappy author the EU's trying to ignore and that's it.
If you want the full argument, you'd have to check with Nai, but the demeaning of Yoda is starting to get a bit frustrating on several ends.
Also, if Force Light removes or lessens the Dark Side taints than, it would logically work on objects as well. Unless such weapons don't carry a Dark Side taint which I find....unlikely. It's just as valid as the amulets being unstoppable, unbeatable killing machines, too
Originally posted by Lightsnake .
Point in, people throw these amulets around too damn match. There'z zero proof their unblockable, undodgeable and the greatest weapons ever made. They're another obsolete invention by a crappy author the EU's trying to ignore and that's it.
Originally posted by AdventI didnt read further at that time so no need to get alarmed
Actually, when Darth Sexy brought that point up in this thread, I pointed out that there's no such thing, and corrected it for him. He was basing what he said off of one of Nai's posts, which (apparently) contained false or misinterpreted material. So, it's not so much that he's contradicting himself, he merely updated his take on the situation.So, unless there's a thread after that where Darth Sexy says such things, then - before you call someone out on such things - I'd suggest you do your homework. He made no contradiction, nice try, though.
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Originally posted by Kadesh
Wrong, do you even know how the juyo stance looks like?
Originally posted by Kadesh
Doenst change the fact yoda > revan
Originally posted by Kadesh
What the hell? Did you know what on earth you just said? Dooku is close to vader in power, and vader is very close in power to sidious. By what you just said, revan > sidious is it? Dooku would give revan a hard time then go down. To make things worse, you said revan is more than twice as powerful as dooku, that would make him lets say 50% stronger than sidious?
And I never said that Revan > Sidious but he is close indeed.
And how Dooku will give Revan hard time? Do you remember that Malak on Star Forge was Draining several Captured Jedi to replenish his energies to keep him going against Revan and Revan still defeated him. And Revan faced Malak after a long and hard fight with an entire Sith Army and that too did not tire Revan. Dooku cannot compete with Revan buddy!
Originally posted by Kadesh
Give me an example. id say in many cases, yoda > revan and yoda lifted a mountain by the way, far better than what revan has ever done
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDCare to back this up? You always make up shit about revan which isnt true. we dont know revans form at all so quit making BS up. If so, provide a source
I know that his Form was not Juyo but what I am saying is that his Saber Form was a "modified" one, which contained bits of Juyo and a few other Saber Forms.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWrong, by a large margin, yoda has done things far geater than what revan has ever done
By a small margin.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBull shit. Dooku is nearly as powerful as vader, and vader is nearly as powerful as sidious, you claimed revan is MORE than twice as powerful as sidious. You implied indirectly though you did not realise it that revan > sidious
How do you know that how powerful is Dooku?And I never said that Revan > Sidious but he is close indeed.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHeh, "sith army" which came out 3 by 3 and got slaughtered by revan and his entire party and defeated a sith lord who is a inferior and not even half of what sidious is, impressive indeed. Again ignore tha gameplay bullshit, if only 3 people including revan could go out at a time, what the hell were the other 5-6 doing in the ebon hawk? Its a critical battle and thus they would have followed him. so its 9 vs 3 by 3. Not an entire army. And by the way, the "army" consisted of padawans, not masters and thus it would further make it easier for revan and friends to kill them
And how Dooku will give Revan hard time? Do you remember that Malak on Star Forge was Draining several Captured Jedi to replenish his energies to keep him going against Revan and Revan still defeated him. And Revan faced Malak after a long and hard fight with an entire Sith Army and that too did not tire Revan. Dooku cannot compete with Revan buddy!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDCW cartoon, Oops try that again please.
And when did Yoda lifted an entire mountain? Care to provide me some evidence?
S_W_legend, for one thing, quit making shit up about revan, you have no proof and you cant accept that several characters > him
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Mortally wound him?
Yeah, I don't think I could've been more clearer. He didn't kill him, according to Leland Chee, the Dark Jedi retreated to the cave, and died there.
Yoda's apparently killed a Bpfasshi guy several times now
What the hell are you talking about, Lightsnake?
probably easier than decide one instance- and had to confine the energies to the single spot.
Funny, I seem to recall a small excerpt from Yoda's entry in the databank. Oh, my, yes. Here it is:
"Another tale of Yoda's past involves stopping a swath of destruction cut by Dark Jedi from Bpfassh. One of these dark siders had gotten as far as Dagobah, were Yoda bested him in direct confrontation. The Bpfasshi Jedi died, his dark Force absorbing into and twisting a nearby tree -- forming a dark side nexus."
-- Starwars.com databank, Yoda.
I could've sworn you just said Yoda confined the energies. Now, either you are lying, or you misinterpreted some materials. There's no third option, because Yoda didn't do anything.
If you believe otherwise, prove up, then (though, I'd believe the databank over any source you give, unless it was a scan). I can see you like to type that this shit happened, but I've yet to see you submit any evidence - whether it be in the form of a scan, or quote. I've already provided mine, and it trumps everything you've been saying.
QED.
When he died, presumably, they were in the cave already, or he was outside.
Irrelevant. What does this have to do with the fact that he didn't do anything to the dark side energy left there?
Point in, people throw these amulets around too damn match. There'z zero proof their unblockable, undodgeable and the greatest weapons ever made. They're another obsolete invention by a crappy author the EU's trying to ignore and that's it.
Lightsnake, I wouldn't be arguing for Exar's amulet beams if they weren't viable in a versus match.
I love how you assume things of which I never stated. I am not "people", so if you are going to address me, don't make a general statement. Personally, I never said that they cannot be blocked (on the contrary, actually. See: this thread), however you'd have to be completely devoid of logical reasonings if you were to assume that every Tom, Dick, and Harry could block them. I find it hard to believe that RotS Sidious - who ran away from a Senate pod - wouldn't try to do the same thing if an amulet beam was fired. Even if one had a defense (for something that no one, short for Sidious, possibly Revan, and possibly Bane knew about), do you really believe they could be continuously blocked?
They are gigantic in magnitude alone, their destructive potential is grave (it is a far more destructive attack than anything the PT Jedi knew), they can be fired rapidly in succession, and "with every pulse of [Kun's] anger the amulet doubles the power of its discharge". I find it nigh improbable that anyone in the entire saga could defend against such things continuously, perhaps Darth Sidious in RotJ, but that's about it.
As for "the greatest weapon ever made", isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? As no one has ever stated such things. They may act as if they are, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't as good as they are hyped up to be.
but the demeaning of Yoda is starting to get a bit frustrating on several ends.
How is anyone debasing Yoda here? Especially from my end. All I said is that he cannot remove Kun's gauntlets from the match. I fail to see how that's taking anything away from him, seeing as he hasn't demonstrated the ability to do such. Plus, you downplay Exar Kun, and every single one of his feats.
Also, if Force Light removes or lessens the Dark Side taints than, it would logically work on objects as well.
No, it wouldn't. What kind of "logic" do you follow? It specifically is designed to remove dark side taints from locations, and sites. Even if what you said was true, Yoda hasn't even been mentioned to know Force Light, much less demonstrate it.
Unless such weapons don't carry a Dark Side taint which I find....unlikely. It's just as valid as the amulets being unstoppable, unbeatable killing machines, too
No, it's not.
Originally posted by Advent
Yeah, I don't think I could've been more clearer. He didn't kill him, according to Leland Chee, the Dark Jedi retreated to the cave, and died there.
Funny, I seem to recall a small excerpt from Yoda's entry in the databank. Oh, my, yes. Here it is:"Another tale of Yoda's past involves stopping a swath of destruction cut by Dark Jedi from Bpfassh. One of these dark siders had gotten as far as Dagobah, were Yoda bested him in direct confrontation. The Bpfasshi Jedi died,[b] his dark Force absorbing into and twisting a nearby tree -- forming a dark side nexus."
-- Starwars.com databank, Yoda.I could've sworn you just said Yoda confined the energies. Now, either you are lying, or you misinterpreted some materials. There's no third option, because Yoda didn't do anything.
Lightsnake, I wouldn't be arguing for Exar's amulet beams if they weren't viable in a versus match.I love how you assume things of which I never stated. I am not "people", so if you are going to address me, don't make a general statement. Personally, I never said that they cannot be blocked (on the contrary, actually. See: this thread), however you'd have to be completely devoid of logical reasonings if you were to assume that every Tom, Dick, and Harry could block them. I find it hard to believe that RotS Sidious - who ran away from a Senate pod - wouldn't try to do the same thing if an amulet beam was fired. Even if one had a defense (for something that no one, short for Sidious, possibly Revan, and possibly Bane knew about), do you really believe they could be continuously blocked?
They are gigantic in magnitude alone, their destructive potential is grave (it is a far more destructive attack than anything the PT Jedi knew), they can be fired rapidly in succession, and "with every pulse of [Kun's] anger the amulet doubles the power of its discharge". I find it nigh improbable that anyone in the entire saga could defend against such things continuously, perhaps Darth Sidious in RotJ, but that's about it.
As for "the greatest weapon ever made", isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? As no one has ever stated such things. They may act as if they are, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't as good as they are hyped up to be.
How is anyone debasing Yoda here? Especially from my end. All I said is that he cannot remove Kun's gauntlets from the match. I fail to see how that's taking anything away from him, seeing as he hasn't demonstrated the ability to do such. Plus, you downplay Exar Kun, and every single one of his feats.
No, it wouldn't. What kind of "logic" do you follow? It specifically is designed to remove dark side taints from locations, and sites. Even if what you said was true, Yoda hasn't even been mentioned to know Force Light, much less demonstrate it.
No, it's not. [/B]
How can you consider Kun a top 5 candidate but not being able to take Mace and Yoda? I would put his raw force abilities/potential equal to that of TPM-ROTS Sidious. But he can't take Mace or Yoda? I think there's a little too much PT fanboyism here. Him against Yoda is debatable, but his force abilities are superior to Mace's, and his saber abilities are likely to be on par, if not above him as well. And no, you have NOT offered any proof for a technique to block these amulets so Advent is right.
Probably because they're numbers 2 and 3 of the Jedi of all time?
And seriously, enoughhut up already "You don't have direct proof so she must be right when she has no proof!"
Ridiculous.
She has to prove they're unblockable, too. It's undecided on both sides.
But yeah, Nai's given solid arguments for Mace and Yoda above Kun, saber especially.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Probably because they're numbers 2 and 3 of the Jedi of all time?
And seriously, enoughhut up already "You don't have direct proof so she must be right when she has no proof!"
She has to prove they're unblockable, too. It's undecided on both sides.
But yeah, Nai's given solid arguments for Mace and Yoda above Kun, saber especially. [/B]