The PT vs. The Old-School

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Originally posted by Kadesh
Sorry, doesnt change the fact yoda > revan, accept it son, Move on. There apparantly is something called the jedi archives, and everything about revan was in there unless you want to prove the fact that it was erased from the archives which of course didnt happen, by the way, there was nothing special that revan.

I agree that Yoda > Revan but by a small margin. You don't have to tell me that who is stronger.

And Revan's legacy played a very vital role in re-shaping of Sith Order as shown in POD Novel. If he is not special then I don't think that there is something special about Yoda either.

Also Revan's Sith knowledge was never known to Yoda because his holocron was hidden in the Ancient Rakatan Temple in Lehon planet and was destroyed by Darth Bane. So I don't understand that how did Revan's details reached Jedi Archives? Stop making shit up! boy!

Originally posted by Kadesh
By the way, books have stated that yoda has a defence to every dark side technique, im sorry but revan can never touch him. try again

Sorry, POTD stated that yoda knew a defence to every dark side technique you fail again, you see? You are attempting to state revan > yoda


Provide me a visual evidence of this from POTD so that I can see the quote by my self.

And I am not stating that Revan > Yoda. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Idiot and it was before luke was born, do you know how to read?

You stated that Yoda was the strongest foe of the darkness. This means that he is the most powerful Jedi ever, which is not true.

The correct statement should be that Luke is the strongest foe of the darkness. So better correct your knowledge.

Originally posted by Kadesh
i knew you would bring up this shit, apparantly he exerted less effort than he did to that crane

You do have eyes do you? He had to throw his Light Saber away and use both of his hands to stop the Crane from falling over the intended victims. This clearly shows that he had to apply massive level of energy using both of his hands to control the Crane. It was indeed a bit of a struggle for him.

Originally posted by Kadesh
So? He still lifted a mountain? Quit repeating shit that yoda had to use 2 hands, does that make him weak? His concentration was focused on Dooku, and out of nowhere dooku threw an enexpected attack, and it was on anakin and obi wan, and yoda and to shift his concentration in a small amount of time, get my point now?

And he had to shift his entire concentration and apply massive level of energy to stop the heavy Crane from falling, be it un-expected or not. Is this really difficult to understand?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Lol your arrogance blinds you, apparantly the pod was thrown at him at very fast speeds and he stopped it instantly, again size matters not the last time i checked it try again!

I know that that Senate Pod was thrown towards Yoda at high speed at but it was a much lighter object compared to a heavy Crane or an X-Wing Fighter. Yoda did not had to exert much power to stop a Senate Pod. And Size matters a lot in case of objects/products. Try again!

Originally posted by Kadesh
I dont have to, several sources already pointed out that Yoda > revan. Do you know what a foe of dark ness means? It means the jedi, and revan became a foe of darkness. And apparantly yoda was stated to be the most powerful foe of darkness until luke came out, accept it, shut up and move on

I agree that Yoda > Revan but by a small margin. Also Yoda has never been directly compared to Revan so I can't really tell that how much stronger he is, but if their was a canonical comparison between these two Jedi then post it here.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
So? That doesnt prove vader is miles ahead of dooku, Again dont attempt to stary the topic of, You ATTEMPTED to claim revan is twice as powerful as dooku which of course is not true,
Why? Because you are downplaying dooku, If dooku is not close to vader fine, but he is at least half of what sidious is, you again attempted to put revan on sidious level.

OK! lets assume that Dooku is 50% of Sidious. Vader is 80% of Sidious as Lucas stated this. Revan is above Vader and thus more then 80% of Sidious.

Dosen't this makes Revan almost twice as powerful? Yes it does. There you shot yourself in the foot.

Originally posted by Kadesh
In force powers yes, and anakin would beat revan in terms of saber combat

We are not sure that Anakin can defeat Revan in Saber Combat. Just because he managed to out-class Dooku in combat does not means that he can out-class Revan in Combat as well. You have to understand that Dooku uses Makashi and it was not effective against Djem So. Revan however does not uses Makashi.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Why dont you provide evidence that dooku is not close to vader and end this point?
1) He studied for 13 years and would have learnt something
2) He didnt get a chance to use force powers in that fight but i wont argue on this

I have made a list of abilities of Dooku and mentioned them here. You should make a list of abilities of Vader and then make a comparison. And Vader is much better in Saber skills then Dooku.

Dooku was impressive but Vader (ROTS) was much better and destroyed all the hype about him. I however agree that Dooku did not get the chance to use his Force powers on Anakin but Vader was so force-full that he never gave Dooku any such chance once he got angry. The tide was totally turned. You should note that Anakin's Raw Power exceeds by far from that of Dooku.

I will put Dooku above Obi-Wan however.

And here is a statistical comparison:

Vader vs Dooku:

- Strength > Dooku
- Saber Skills > Dooku
- Force Mastery > Dooku (by OT period)

Sorry! your case fails.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Because it is what we see? Apparantly it is the only thing we can trust at the moment even though it is game mechanics, Nothing ever stated that they came out as one big fcuking army, Do you get my point moron?

I did not said that the entire Sith Army jumped on Revan at once. But they were indeed engaging him in large numbers. Waves after Waves of them were coming towards Revan and his few companions. Try the fight again and see for yourself. I recall often facing 10 - 15 Sith on many occassions in Star Forge.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again he is with the entire party

Prove that he fought against Sith with his entire party in the Star Forge. Your assumptions never end.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Im sorry but what has been written is canon, So that means the ROTS novel is bullshit is it? Thats by your logic, o wait by your logic the fight between dooku and anakin is simply a fluke because it conflicts other sources, Sorry legend, advent proved whats written in novels are canon, and sidious knew every sith lord in history and thus being able to judge anakin and vader.

I have not said that ROTS Novel is bullshit and it is indeed canon but it often contradicts with other canon sources. Now it is difficult to accept those contradictory details in it.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Just to let you know, the ancient sith saluted darth vader and they built him a throne in Korriban, Read EE if you dont believe me, And they salute people who are more powerful than they are

And?

Ajunta Pall was over-whelmed by the power of Revan when he saw him. Revan even managed to convince him to leave the Dark Side and stop haunting his Tomb. If other ancients would have met Revan, then they would be heavily impressed by him too.

Try a better arguement next time.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You didnt give quotes which are ambigious, you have me gameplay bullshit, and when i gave you quotes, you stall and claim they are bull shit

I have provided you exact statements used in KOTOR Game and am trying to not rely on Game Mechanics. I mentioned exact quotes of Malak and his commander as well.

What quotes have you provided me regarding battle of Star Forge besides your silly assumptions?

You are obviously not paying attention.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You just did indirectly and you didnt realise it
What? Vader shook a building with a technique . Do you or do you NOT understand?

Wow! now vader shook that building with a technique? 🙄

ROTS clearly shows that Vader shook that building with his rage.

Originally posted by Kadesh
He seems to forget that revans entire party was with him, what were the other 6 doing in the ebon hawk then? By the way, even if the dark jedis did have those powers, what shit does it mean? It wouldnt work on more powerful people like revan jolee or junahi, they obviously are stronger than them thus making the dark jedi inferiors, And techniques from an inferior dont work against a stronger force user, This has been proved many times so it doesnt mean jack if they knew the technique or not, Do you understand?

Ask Drew about this. I have not made the KOTOR Game. The other six would be assigned different tasks by Revan.

And I saw their powers being effective until you use Force Immunity ability. Revan would have naturally very strong defensive abilities so he fended off their attacks. I don't know much about Jolee and Juhani.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Dont actually tell me what to do when you your self do that, o yea like the SF "malak" "Omg he is so hard i had to use alot of life packs, that proves he is powered up" WRONG! you used gameplay there, see? Thats your hypocrisy

SF Malak was described as "nearly unstoppable" in his official databank. He was very powerful indeed.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Then continue to ignore canon

I don't give any credibility to SW Cartoons.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Wrong, acstyles has proved vader > bane and its vader in his peak in his suit fightning bane at his peak. Go read the thread and dont attempt to argue here.

AcStyles have his own perceptions about things. Bane is at-least on par with Vader if not more powerful.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Seriously are you trying to save face here or something?

I don't need to. I express my opinions openly.

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S_w_legend, tsk tsk tsk, still wanting to spew bullshit

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I agree that Yoda > Revan but by a small margin. You don't have to tell me that who is stronger.
Then why the hell are you argueing? Why the fcuk are you argueing something you cannot and will not win?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Revan's legacy played a very vital role in re-shaping of Sith Order as shown in POD Novel. If he is not special then I don't think that there is something special about Yoda either.
Not really, all revan did was give his opinions on why there should not be more than 2 sith lords at a time, it was actually bane who came up with the idea, revan was only banes inspiration, nothing special about that
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Also Revan's Sith knowledge was never known to Yoda because his holocron was hidden in the Ancient Rakatan Temple in Lehon planet and was destroyed by Darth Bane. So I don't understand that how did Revan's details reached Jedi Archives? Stop making shit up! boy!
So? Its not like revan demonstrated powers never seen before moron, he has demonstrated lightning, a well known force power for millenia, he knows grip which is vaders trade mark abilities, he knew sith alchemy which obviously yoda is aware of, he knows force wave which obviously vader has mastered on the same level, I am not making shit up fool, i am using quotes from sources. Name me a power that only revan can do

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Provide me a visual evidence of this from POTD so that I can see the quote by my self.
Ask lightsnake for that because i dont have the luxury of doing so for you

And I am not stating that Revan > Yoda. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You stated that Yoda was the strongest foe of the darkness. This means that he is the most powerful Jedi ever, which is not true.
Are you dumb or what? That damm quote was referring
to yoda BEFORE luke reached his peak or was born yet. And if you want to still argue, go ahead and refute canon, iv seen how you debate, This now pretty much makes you look like a dumbass for refuting canon, Right now you sound just like sith'ari.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You do have eyes do you? He had to throw his Light Saber away and use both of his hands to stop the Crane from falling over the intended victims. This clearly shows that he had to apply massive level of energy using both of his hands to control the Crane. It was indeed a bit of a struggle for him.

You have a brain do you? Or do you need me to examine it? His concentration was focused on dooku, and as dooku chucked the crane he had to shift his attention and concentration to the falling crane, obviously he cant take his time as he did to other things, that crane was going to crush anakin in what? 4 seconds or less prehaps? Of course he had to struggle, to keep the thing from killing somebody
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And he had to shift his entire concentration and apply massive level of energy to stop the heavy Crane from falling, be it un-expected or not. Is this really difficult to understand?
Thank you for backing up my point. Had he only been focusing on the crane as he did to that X-wing he would have stopped it far earlier, what im saying if he wasnt fightning dooku

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I know that that Senate Pod was thrown towards Yoda at high speed at but it was a much lighter object compared to a heavy Crane or an X-Wing Fighter. Yoda did not had to exert much power to stop a Senate Pod. And Size matters a lot in case of objects/products. Try again!
How do you know the senate pod is even light? The Pods are solid while the crane is hollow, obviously dooku used grip to destroy the foundations of the crane and as it crashed you heard a hollow thud, Want to argue? The go ahead and further prove yourself a dumbass by argueing against the law of physics

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I agree that Yoda > Revan but by a small margin. Also Yoda has never been directly compared to Revan so I can't really tell that how much stronger he is, but if their was a canonical comparison between these two Jedi then post it here.
Really? Then what the fcuk was "O revans holocron was destroyed on lehon, that means it couldnt have gotten into the archives" From this simple quote you gave i can tell a few things

1)You again indirectly imply that yoda does not know what revans power are thus refuting what has been stated in POTD
2) You again implied that yoda is going to get killed by revan because all of revans so called secrets were only in the holocron as if revan has demonstrated powers we never seen before

Try again

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
OK! lets assume that Dooku is 50% of Sidious. Vader is 80% of Sidious as Lucas stated this. Revan is above Vader and thus more then 80% of Sidious.
Doesnt work that way son, revan may be on par with vader, revan may be 5% stronger than vader, we dont know but i put revan above vader so no need to argue
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Dosen't this makes Revan almost twice as powerful? Yes it does. There you shot yourself in the foot.
Lol and i pulled that bullet out when i found your quote "Zomg revan is MORE than twice as powerful than dooku" If you are going to make me pull out that quote, then prepare to get flamed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

We are not sure that Anakin can defeat Revan in Saber Combat. Just because he managed to out-class Dooku in combat does not means that he can out-class Revan in Combat as well. You have to understand that Dooku uses Makashi and it was not effective against Djem So. Revan however does not uses Makashi.
Conceded

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I have made a list of abilities of Dooku and mentioned them here. You should make a list of abilities of Vader and then make a comparison. And Vader is much better in Saber skills then Dooku.
You do know that sidious wanted apprentices who were very powerful right? And apparantly GL did state somewhere in an interview that vader is dookus successor although vader surpassed him later on. Dooku isnt weak, lets concede this point
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Dooku was impressive but Vader (ROTS) was much better and destroyed all the hype about him. I however agree that Dooku did not get the chance to use his Force powers on Anakin but Vader was so force-full that he never gave Dooku any such chance once he got angry. The tide was totally turned. You should note that Anakin's Raw Power exceeds by far from that of Dooku.
Irrelevant to topic
I will put Dooku above Obi-Wan however.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And here is a statistical comparison:

Vader vs Dooku:

- Strength > Dooku
- Saber Skills > Dooku
- Force Mastery > Dooku (by OT period)

Sorry! your case fails.

Did i claim dooku > vader? Dont feed words into my arse please, i was only implying dooku is at least close to vader in terms of power, not very close but close, do you understand my points now?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I did not said that the entire Sith Army jumped on Revan at once. But they were indeed engaging him in large numbers. Waves after Waves of them were coming towards Revan and his few companions. Try the fight again and see for yourself. I recall often facing 10 - 15 Sith on many occassions in Star Forge.

You do know in SW reality once you get hit by a lightsaber you die right... And revan was a superior saber duelist, he was a prodigy at that time, he is far better than malak according to dorak so what if he killed many dark jedi?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Prove that he fought against Sith with his entire party in the Star Forge. Your assumptions never end.
Then ask yourself please. what the fcuk were the other members doing? They didnt take part in the space battle, so wtf were they doing in the hawk? Obviously this is a pivotal battle, 6 of them cant just sit on their ass in the ship waiting for revan to kill malak right?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I have not said that ROTS Novel is bullshit and it is indeed canon but it often contradicts with other canon sources. Now it is difficult to accept those contradictory details in it.
Name me the sources please and quote them then ill concede if i find it good enough

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Ajunta Pall was over-whelmed by the power of Revan when he saw him. Revan even managed to convince him to leave the Dark Side and stop haunting his Tomb. If other ancients would have met Revan, then they would be heavily impressed by him too.
So what? Revan is a lightsider, and the other ancients would despise him for being a lightsider, if he is still in the dark side i would certeinly agree, but what if i told you the ancient sith dropped to their knees when they met palpatine and saluted vader and yet built vader a throne?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I have provided you exact statements used in KOTOR Game and am trying to not rely on Game Mechanics. I mentioned exact quotes of Malak and his commander as well.

Doesnt prove the fact that the dark jedi "army"
was invincible or even a challenge for revan
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

What quotes have you provided me regarding battle of Star Forge besides your silly assumptions?

You are obviously not paying attention.

Logic my friend
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Wow! now vader shook that building with a technique? 🙄

ROTS clearly shows that Vader shook that building with his rage.

Idiot it was anakin who shook it with his rage, im talking about vader in EAW moron and he demonstrated it in a cut scene, god your a r-tard, learn to read FFS
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Ask [b]Drew about this. I have not made the KOTOR Game. The other six would be assigned different tasks by Revan.
[/B]
The only logical assumption is that they could have followed revan we dont know for sure so lets concede this point

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And I saw their powers being effective until you use Force Immunity ability. Revan would have naturally very strong defensive abilities so he fended off their attacks. I don't know much about Jolee and Juhani.
Yes but thats gameplay, and those powers dont kill. again revan slaughtered them with a lightsaber

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

SF Malak was described as "[b]nearly unstoppable" in his official databank. He was very powerful indeed. [/B]
Sorry thats only on the SF, if it was exar kun vs malak on the SF, exar himself gets powered up, the SF powers up strong dark side users and naturally alot of other sith lords are more powerful than normal malak.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I don't give any credibility to SW Cartoons.
The ignore canon
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

AcStyles have his own perceptions about things. Bane is at-least on par with Vader if not more powerful.
He owned zephiel and bane has never demonstrated anything to be even on par with vader again there is nothing to argue about

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
Doesnt work that way son, revan may be on par with vader, revan may be 5% stronger than vader, we dont know but i put revan above vader so no need to argue

Well you changed the entire point. I used your own assumption (Dooku being 50% of Sidious) and then used canon statement (Vader being 80% of Sidious) to back my point.

Revan being more then 80% indicates that he is close to being 2x of Dooku.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Lol and i pulled that bullet out when i found your quote "Zomg revan is MORE than twice as powerful than dooku" If you are going to make me pull out that quote, then prepare to get flamed.

No you did not pulled that bullet out but you twisted your own arguement. By your own assumption, Dooku is 50% of Sidious. Now Revan is more then 80% of Sidious so he is close to being 2x of Dooku. I used your own assumption to aid by arguement.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You do know that sidious wanted apprentices who were very powerful right? And apparantly GL did state somewhere in an interview that vader is dookus successor although vader surpassed him later on. Dooku isnt weak, lets concede this point

And thats why he discarded Dooku. He indeed wanted someone who would be close to him in power and Anakin had the highest potential, so he chose him.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Did i claim dooku > vader? Dont feed words into my arse please, i was only implying dooku is at least close to vader in terms of power, not very close but close, do you understand my points now?

No! you have not claimed that Dooku > vader but I showed you that Vader surpassed Dooku in every way, thus becoming much more powerful.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You do know in SW reality once you get hit by a lightsaber you die right... And revan was a superior saber duelist, he was a prodigy at that time, he is far better than malak according to dorak so what if he killed many dark jedi?

I agree regarding Light Saber damage part. But the fight on Star Forge showed that Revan was a very powerful Jedi and triumphed against all kinds of odds. Remember that fighting an entire army requires massive power and a small squad cannot beat an entire army. But Revan almost single-handedly blew through the entire Sith Army and won [indicated in Wiki]. And Malak also gave Revan credibility for this achievement as evident from his comment [making this piece of info canon].

Originally posted by Kadesh
Then ask yourself please. what the fcuk were the other members doing? They didnt take part in the space battle, so wtf were they doing in the hawk? Obviously this is a pivotal battle, 6 of them cant just sit on their ass in the ship waiting for revan to kill malak right?

It is possible that Revan gave them different useful tasks to perform because not all of his companions were powerful warriors (Save for Canderous).

Originally posted by Kadesh
Name me the sources please and quote them then ill concede if i find it good enough

Novelization often conflicts with highest form of canon (SW Movies) regarding fight scenes. This and the statement by Sidious that Vader surpassed all other Sith Lords before him, which was never added in the movie.

Originally posted by Kadesh
So what? Revan is a lightsider, and the other ancients would despise him for being a lightsider, if he is still in the dark side i would certeinly agree, but what if i told you the ancient sith dropped to their knees when they met palpatine and saluted vader and yet built vader a throne?

And you forgot that Darth Bane (one of the most powerful Sith Lords) was also over-whelmed by Revan's knowledge. He was not willing to try some very dangerous powers that Revan knew.

Try again!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Doesnt prove the fact that the dark jedi "army"
was invincible or even a challenge for revan

Sheer numbers made up for the power-factor for them and they were being aided by the power of Star Forge and Bastilla's meditation abilities. What more would you expect?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Logic my friend

Assumptions is more correct word.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Idiot it was anakin who shook it with his rage, im talking about vader in EAW moron and he demonstrated it in a cut scene, god your a r-tard, learn to read FFS

Well! I was talking about scene in ROTS but still shaking a building is not very uber deed as some-one of Raven's level could do that. Now this is good logical assumption.

Originally posted by Kadesh
The only logical assumption is that they could have followed revan we dont know for sure so lets concede this point

No! I have mentioned a different possibility as well.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes but thats gameplay, and those powers dont kill. again revan slaughtered them with a lightsaber

Those powers do kill if you allow yourself to being toyed by them. Force attacks are mean't to kill. Kadesh!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Sorry thats only on the SF, if it was exar kun vs malak on the SF, exar himself gets powered up, the SF powers up strong dark side users and naturally alot of other sith lords are more powerful than normal malak.

Malak was very powerful indeed and was described as "nearly unstoppable", which compiles all the theory of his power in two words.

He is definately among the top Sith Lords of all times. Your personal hatered of him cannot change this fact.

Originally posted by Kadesh
The ignore canon

A canon source intended for children and not an audience of our level. Bring a better source.

Originally posted by Kadesh
He owned zephiel and bane has never demonstrated anything to be even on par with vader again there is nothing to argue about [/B]

zephiel was under-estimating both Vader and Revan, so it was obvious that some-one would correct him.

But still Bane might be on par with Vader. He became very powerful indeed as evident from POD Novel and his story is not yet complete.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Well you changed the entire point. I used your own assumption (Dooku being 50% of Sidious) and then used canon statement (Vader being 80% of Sidious) to back my point.
Did i even say dooku is half of sidious?For the last time legend. wht the **** is your problem? Why do you keep twisting my words?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan being more then 80% indicates that he is close to being 2x of Dooku.
You piece of shit, you are a damm liar. You contradicted yourself many fcuking times, Since when was it ever stated that sidious is twice as powerful as dooku? For one sir ,you are a liar. And where does it state revan is slightly even more than 80%? Right no where, simply because you lie

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

No you did not pulled that bullet out but you twisted your own arguement. By your own assumption, Dooku is 50% of Sidious. Now Revan is more then 80% of Sidious so he is close to being 2x of Dooku. I used your own assumption to aid by arguement.
Quote me mother fcuker when did i assume dooku is even 50% of sidious? I simply impled dooku is close to vader, Want to talk logic? How bout this you claimed revan is MORE than 2 times the power of dooku, tell me whats 50+50? Its 100% right? And you also said slightly more, lets say 10% more thats 110% right? of sidious right? You sir are a liar and you are attempting to flung my words around, all you have done is proved yourself to be a dumbass
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And thats why he discarded Dooku. He indeed wanted someone who would be close to him in power and Anakin had the highest potential, so he chose him.
I am not even going to argue because ididnt make this point

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

No! you have not claimed that Dooku > vader but I showed you that Vader surpassed Dooku in every way, thus becoming much more powerful.
And gl stated that vader has succeded dooku in power at that one point.. What the hell were you saying again? Of course vader did surpase dooku later on, the damm point is, you are trying to make revan look 2 times as strong as dooku which isnt the case or even in a moment where you can prove

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I agree regarding Light Saber damage part. But the fight on Star Forge showed that Revan was a very powerful Jedi and triumphed against all kinds of odds. Remember that fighting an entire army requires massive power and a small squad cannot beat an entire army.
Again he was with his party, and a lightsaber kills a victim on impact, and revan is a superb duelist, what shit does it mean if he killed inferiors? Would people consider me a demi-god just because i beat the shit out of some one who is weaker than i am or will people call me a god for killing hundres of cockroaches? Irrelevant isit
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

But Revan almost single-handedly blew through the entire Sith Army and won [indicated in Wiki]. And Malak also gave Revan credibility for this achievement as evident from his comment [making this piece of info canon].
See the above

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

It is possible that Revan gave them different useful tasks to perform because not all of his companions were powerful warriors (Save for Canderous).
Yes that is a possibility but do we know? Again what tasks did he assign them? We dont know for sure, all i can assume is they did follow him, remember as kreia stated, when he is fightning powerful enemies he will need every body he can get as kreia stated on malachor V, so i assumed that his entire party was with him

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Novelization often conflicts with highest form of canon (SW Movies) regarding fight scenes. This and the statement by Sidious that Vader surpassed all other Sith Lords before him, which was never added in the movie.
Just because it was never added in the movie doesnt mean it contradicts the movies

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And you forgot that Darth Bane (one of the most powerful Sith Lords) was also over-whelmed by Revan's knowledge. He was not willing to try some very dangerous powers that Revan knew.
Again its powers that are known through out the galaxy so what if bane werent willing to try them?
Vader knew techniques which instantly killed an entire squadron on rebel troops on the battle field again this is in cut scenes
Try again!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Sheer numbers made up for the power-factor for them and they were being aided by the Star Forge and Bastilla's meditation abilities. What else you expect to?

People would rather chose quality over quantity, and malak already stated that the dark jedis will never be able to take him down, simply because 1) he is more powerful
2) they are inferiors

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Well! I was talking about scene in ROTS but still shaking a building is not very uber deed as some-one of Raven's level could do that. Now this is good logical assumption.

Its not "shaking" a building, Vader crushed an entire sky scraper with ease and killed who ever was in it, Do you even know how big sky scrapers are in star wars? Some of them can even be 6000 metres high as the TPM visual guide pointed out though the one vader destroyed was only what? 30-40 storeys? That is pretty big by the way, and vader lifted and force crushed a tank the size of an ATAT in a 3 seconds too.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Those powers do kill if you allow yourself to being toyed by them. Force attacks are mean't to kill. Kadesh!

Excuse me? Force crush is a killer technique, and bane killed qoordis with force grip, not meant to kill? WTF are you talking about?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Malak was very powerful indeed and was described as "nearly unstoppable", which compiles all the theory of his power in two words.

He is definately among the top Sith Lords of all times. Your personal hatered of him cannot change this fact.

Sadly malak is only "unstoppable" on the SF, and if some one like dark side revan, exar kun, vader, sidious or even naga sadow were to face him in the star forge, they themselves will get powered up, why? Because simply the star forge powers up dark side users, try again. If malak is "unstoppable" in the SF and being weak outside of it, imagine how godly Sidious would be if he was in the star forge and being powered up, again the SF power ups are not limited to one sith lord

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

A canon source intended for children and not an audience of our level. Bring a better source.
notice you mentioned the word "canon"? There you go, what has been done has been done. Yoda did lift that mountain, sorry but you fail

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

zephiel was under-estimating both Vader and Revan, so it was obvious that some-one would correct him.

But still Bane might be on par with Vader. He became very powerful indeed as evident from POD Novel and his story is not yet complete.

1) He severely underestimated vader
2) He didnt underestimate revan
3) Bane doesnt come close, not until his story is complete then ill judge, for now shut yer hole about it

Darth Sexy Restricted

The whole Yoda>Revan thing because of a quote is nonsense.

Kadesh Restricted

Then prove revan > yoda, i believe LIGHTSIDE revan is but hell no for dark side cuz revan simply looks gay in the dark side robe
(hold on for your sig)

By the way i found revans RL potrayer

Kadesh Restricted

EDIT i meant his mask looks gay. outfit without the mask and hood is 2 thumbs up

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Man, that's so noncanon. Revan is Indian (mentally replaces the pic of the white dude with Sendhil Ramamurthy of Heroes).

xxXAcStylesXxx Papa Bear
For one, Styles hasn't proved jack shit besides the fact that he can't argue for shit and only troll. Secondly, Vader>Bane? Since when? I agree Vader had incredible use of the force, but then again so did Bane. Don't use someone else's argument to prove your argument because that doesn't work, and if you use somebody else's argument, make sure it's someone who can debate.

And you've proved what? That you can insult people and post pictures of sleeping children? That you can cop out of an argument with "well I don't have to answer because I said so na na." Or that you'll cheerlead and kiss my ass when I argee with you on a topic? And yet I'm the troll, the one who (for once) refrained from insults and I didn't go "LAWLZ i wins cause i called u stoopid!"(along with the others who seem to argee with this type of thinking). Nice logic there buddy, but of course you're the king of logical thinking.

Anyways go read the topic before you run your mouth.

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
And you've proved what? That you can insult people and post pictures of sleeping children? That you can cop out of an argument with "well I don't have to answer because I said so na na." Or that you'll cheerlead and kiss my ass when I argee with you on a topic? And yet I'm the troll, the one who (for once) refrained from insults and I didn't go "LAWLZ i wins cause i called u stoopid!"(along with the others who seem to argee with this type of thinking). Nice logic there buddy, but of course you're the king of logical thinking.

Anyways go read the topic before you run your mouth.

Are you still crying because you were pwned like Shaq in a free throw contest?

xxXAcStylesXxx Papa Bear
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Are you still crying because you were pwned like Shaq in a free throw contest?

See now even if that were the case (which its not) its the fact that you can't seem to keep my name out your posts.

Darth Sexy Restricted

Actually it was the case, so funny that you're still crying about it too.

xxXAcStylesXxx Papa Bear
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Actually it was the case, so funny that you're still crying about it too.

Uh huh if you described addressing posts made about myself by overly arrogant forum users then yeah thats crying. But I really don't give a shit because when I lay down at night with the knowledge that you're a 23 year old loser who spends his time on this forum, who still gets made fun of in college. So yeah even if I was "owned" it doesn't really matter considering what a joke you are.

Darth Sexy Restricted

Aww that's cute, i'm a 23 year old loser who supposedly gets made fun of in college. Well I hope that knowledge(aka delusion) helps you sleep at night knowing you got pwned by a 23 year old "loser who still gets made fun of in college". Whatever helps you sleep you silly girl.

xxXAcStylesXxx Papa Bear
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Aww that's cute, i'm a 23 year old loser who supposedly gets made fun of in college. Well I hope that knowledge(aka delusion) helps you sleep at night knowing you got pwned by a 23 year old "loser who still gets made fun of in college". Whatever helps you sleep you silly girl.

Denial is not a good look for you:

"I'm a senior in college yet I have a gaming computer, 50-60 star wars comics and books, all of the LOTR movies, SW posters, even SW ID cards, and I get ridiculed for it. "

Push your taped glasses up buddy and drop the arrogant act.

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Darth Sexy Restricted

I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. When my friends ridicule me, that's out of fun. That's laughing with somebody rather than laughing AT somebody. When I say someone makes fun of me, it's laughing at me. Then again, I was QUITE clear that it was my FRIENDS that ridicule me about my nerdy habits, because after all, how would a stranger know about my habits unless he was stalking me? Dumbass.