The PT vs. The Old-School

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*Laughs at the "I really do have friends response"*

Considering you carry around Star Wars ID cards, it wouldn't be that hard to look at and go "what a loser". Again, I find it hard for you to even have friends since your on this forum pretty much everyday-all day long.

I come home at 2 in the morning, hop on the net check emails, go to look at a debate I was in and who's the only username I see on the list? I'll give you a hint...*its you*

Uhuh, keep telling yourself that. "I come home in the morning at 2AM and check emails and go visit a star wars forum". That's cute, I'm glad you need to convince yourself of that. Is there anything else I should be doing at 2 in the morning other than messing around on the internet? Way to make yourself look like a moron for the umteenth time.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Man, that's so noncanon. Revan is Indian (mentally replaces the pic of the white dude with Sendhil Ramamurthy of Heroes).

Lol lol thats revan to me : ), the white guy i just posted

Originally posted by Kadesh
Did i even say dooku is half of sidious?For the last time legend. wht the **** is your problem? Why do you keep twisting my words?

I keep twisting your words?

You posted this not very long ago:

Originally posted by Kadesh
If dooku is not close to vader fine, but he is at least half of what sidious is

The high-lighted part shows your own view! boy!

Originally posted by Kadesh
You piece of shit, you are a damm liar. You contradicted yourself many fcuking times, Since when was it ever stated that sidious is twice as powerful as dooku? For one sir ,you are a liar. And where does it state revan is slightly even more than 80%? Right no where, simply because you lie

I am a damn liar? right! 🙄

Check your own statement above. Sadly it is you who keep on denying your own statements and now you call me a liar.

Revan is above Vader (who is 80% of Sidious) and so Revan is more then 80% of Sidious. See! Logic applies here.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Quote me mother fcuker when did i assume dooku is even 50% of sidious? I simply impled dooku is close to vader, Want to talk logic? How bout this you claimed revan is MORE than 2 times the power of dooku, tell me whats 50+50? Its 100% right? And you also said slightly more, lets say 10% more thats 110% right? of sidious right? You sir are a liar and you are attempting to flung my words around, all you have done is proved yourself to be a dumbass

Control your language! Kadesh!

Here is repeat of your quote:

Originally posted by Kadesh
If dooku is not close to vader fine, but he is at least half of what sidious is

Revan may not be more then twice as powerful as Dooku but he is close to being 2x of Dooku.

Originally posted by Kadesh
I am not even going to argue because ididnt make this point

No you would not argue because you don't have any point in this case. Sidious discarded Dooku because he wanted some-one stronger, who would be close to him in power. Anakin fitted the spot very well.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And gl stated that vader has succeded dooku in power at that one point.. What the hell were you saying again? Of course vader did surpase dooku later on, the damm point is, you are trying to make revan look 2 times as strong as dooku which isnt the case or even in a moment where you can prove

Your own assumption (that I showed above) that Dooku is at-least half of Sidious has made your case weak! boy!

Vader surpassed Dooku in every way and Dooku was no longer close to him in power. Accept this and move on!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again he was with his party, and a lightsaber kills a victim on impact, and revan is a superb duelist, what shit does it mean if he killed inferiors? Would people consider me a demi-god just because i beat the shit out of some one who is weaker than i am or will people call me a god for killing hundres of cockroaches? Irrelevant isit
See the above

Those Dark Jedi were not cockroaches and they were being fueled by Star Forge. Then Revan was a superb duelist and I have been pointing this out for very long. Finally you recognized this fact.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes that is a possibility but do we know? Again what tasks did he assign them? We dont know for sure, all i can assume is they did follow him, remember as kreia stated, when he is fightning powerful enemies he will need every body he can get as kreia stated on malachor V, so i assumed that his entire party was with him

Possibly!

But tell me that what T3-M4 and Mission can do in such a huge fight? They won't last long! boy!

And Kriea's quote was related to Revan's fight in the unknown regions. She wanted Exile to go and help Revan because Exile had grown considerably powerful as well. She said that Revan would need such powerful allies by his side to counter that new threat.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Just because it was never added in the movie doesnt mean it contradicts the movies

Novelization is mean't to portray GL's Movie in written form and should not contain extra shitty (egoistic) statements like these.

GL never said that Vader surpassed all the Sith Lords before him besides Sidious. That was an egoisitic statement made by the author of ROTS Novelization and it is without any evidence.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again its powers that are known through out the galaxy so what if bane werent willing to try them?

Bane was afraid to used such deadly powers. This showed that how powerful and deadly Revan really was.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Vader knew techniques which instantly killed an entire squadron on rebel troops on the battle field again this is in cut scenes
Try again!

Revan could unleash his deadly Storm and do the same in seconds. Try again!

Originally posted by Kadesh
People would rather chose quality over quantity, and malak already stated that the dark jedis will never be able to take him down, simply because 1) he is more powerful
2) they are inferiors

Quantity when aided by additional strong factors can become a hell of a challenge for even Quality persons.

And Malak was very powerful and he was considered to be the strongest among millions of Sith in his age and was also a war hero. He demonstrated more Force moves then Dooku and was one tough guy to beat in the final fight. He was officially termed as "nearly unstoppable".

Originally posted by Kadesh
Its not "shaking" a building, Vader crushed an entire sky scraper with ease and killed who ever was in it, Do you even know how big sky scrapers are in star wars? Some of them can even be 6000 metres high as the TPM visual guide pointed out though the one vader destroyed was only what? 30-40 storeys? That is pretty big by the way, and vader lifted and force crushed a tank the size of an ATAT in a 3 seconds too.

Exile destroyed a big Tank Droid easily too. You think that Revan (who is stronger then Exile) can't do that? huh!

Revan is very strong in the Force. He wiped out the entire army of special SF Battle Droids in very short time on Star Forge. And Malak acknowledged this! Son!

Revan also knew many devastating abilities. I won't be surprised that Revan can destroy an entire building.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Excuse me? Force crush is a killer technique, and bane killed qoordis with force grip, not meant to kill? WTF are you talking about?

Force Crush can't kill some-on as powerful as Revan or Bane? Try again!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Sadly malak is only "unstoppable" on the SF, and if some one like dark side revan, exar kun, vader, sidious or even naga sadow were to face him in the star forge, they themselves will get powered up, why? Because simply the star forge powers up dark side users, try again. If malak is "unstoppable" in the SF and being weak outside of it, imagine how godly Sidious would be if he was in the star forge and being powered up, again the SF power ups are not limited to one sith lord

Idiot! Malak got powered-up because he understood the secrets of Star Forge and then utilized its power for his own use. Star Forge does not automatically powers-up people in it. The Star Forge was doing what Malak intended it to do.

Originally posted by Kadesh
notice you mentioned the word "canon"? There you go, what has been done has been done. Yoda did lift that mountain, sorry but you fail

Yeah! in a cartoon. Not impressive!

Originally posted by Kadesh
1) He severely underestimated vader
2) He didnt underestimate revan
3) Bane doesnt come close, not until his story is complete then ill judge, for now shut yer hole about it

He did under-estimated Revan as well. Bane is close and you shut up!

God your a retard, i handed you your ass and you come back for more

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I keep twisting your words?

You posted this not very long ago:

LOL i love you legend, thanks for backing up my point, notice you said revan is MORE than twice as powerful? tell me smart ass whats 50+50?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

The high-lighted part shows your own view! boy!
Correct, thanks for showing it to me, you here have just pwned your own ass

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Check your own statement above. Sadly it is you who keep on denying your own statements and now you call me a liar.

Revan is above Vader (who is 80% of Sidious) and so Revan is more then 80% of Sidious. See! Logic applies here.

You ARE a liar, you said "ok fine, lets say dooku is 50% of sidious" and um now what? You are saying revan is slightly more than 80% of sidious? That isnt even twice, thanks again for backing my point up 🙂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan may not be more then twice as powerful as Dooku but he is close to being 2x of Dooku.
Contradictions galore! First you say he is more than twice as powerfl, now your implying he is nearly twice as powerful, Again thanks for backing my point up

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

No you would not argue because you don't have any point in this case. Sidious discarded Dooku because he wanted some-one stronger, who would be close to him in power. Anakin fitted the spot very well.
Irrelevant to post

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Your own assumption (that I showed above) that Dooku is at-least half of Sidious has made your case weak! boy!
Um wasnt i the one who made the assumption? @sshole so dont take credit for something you didnt state,
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Vader surpassed Dooku in every way and Dooku was no longer close to him in power. Accept this and move on!
Thanks for saying that 🙂 that is gonna go in my profile
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Those Dark Jedi were not cockroaches and they were being fueled by Star Forge. Then Revan was a superb duelist and I have been pointing this out for very long. Finally you recognized this fact.
i already knew this fact moron, so what damm differences does it make? Those "cockroaches" lightsaber skills dont get boosted by the almighty SF and revan clearly pwns em in a saber fight, whats so special about that?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

But tell me that what T3-M4 and Mission can do in such a huge fight? They won't last long! boy!
Many things, revan could be holding of 3 dark jedis, And mission has the ability "sneak attack" while T3 can just shoot a distracted dark jedi
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Kriea's quote was related to Revan's fight in the unknown regions. She wanted Exile to go and help Revan because Exile had grown considerably powerful as well. She said that Revan would need such powerful allies by his side to counter that new threat.
Fair enough, Doesnt change the fact that the entire PT MAY have been with him, notice the word "may" im just implying it was possible they are with him

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Novelization is mean't to portray GL's Movie in written form and should not contain extra shitty (egoistic) statements like these.
And GL works closely with those authors.. By the way as anakin skywalker, his superior saber skills and take almost any one in the SW universe save for yoda mace and sidious. It is possible sidious was referring to that.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

GL never said that Vader surpassed all the Sith Lords before him besides Sidious. That was an egoisitic statement made by the author of ROTS Novelization and it is without any evidence.
No, but GL did made it clear that vader is 80% of ROTJ sidious whom is 10-15% stronger than his former self, wouldnt that make vader 90-95% of ROTS sidious whom is already declared the most powerful sith by the NEC? Of course i still put revan above him so dont attempt to argue.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Bane was afraid to used such deadly powers. This showed that how powerful and deadly Revan really was.
Revan can simpy do them because bane is 1) Not even close to revan 2) Less skillful than revan
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan could unleash his deadly Storm and do the same in seconds. Try again!
But the question is, which is faster? Vaders killer force wave which is instant or revans lightning which takes a few mere seconds? Im not saying vader > revan

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Quantity when aided by additional strong factors can become a hell of a challenge for even Quality persons.
Again the SF DOES not boost up and power up your saber skills
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Malak was very powerful and he was considered to be the strongest among millions of Sith in his age and was also a war hero. He demonstrated more Force moves then Dooku and was one tough guy to beat in the final fight. He was officially termed as "nearly unstoppable".
Yea right "millions" of sith as you claim, apparantly not true, there were hunderds, only malak and revan were among the top of these "sith" and revan knew they are weak, problably why he mentioned the rule of 2 in the holocron. and nearly "unstoppable"? Sorry, thats on the SF and the SF doesnt power up one particular sith lord. it powers up ALL dark side users. meaning if it was a stronger sith lord than malak the SF would make the stronger opponent even stronger than SF malak.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Exile destroyed a big [b]Tank Droid
easily too. You think that Revan (who is stronger then Exile) can't do that? huh!
[/B]
Of course revan can do it! And destroying droids is not a big deal! You yourself are so fond of saying it, remember vader killing droids? Nothing special as your so fond of saying it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan is very strong in the Force. He wiped out the entire army of special SF Battle Droids in very short time on Star Forge. And Malak acknowledged this! Son!
See the above, i handed your ass to you on this one, Concede or be humuliated
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan also knew many devastating abilities. I won't be surprised that Revan can destroy an entire building.
Name them please other than his lightning, he may know crush, but he never demonstrates them, Again as i said vader is directly under revan and im not suprised given revans power

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Force Crush can't kill some-on as powerful as Revan or Bane? Try again! [B]
Kill revan? Nope because he has a defence, Bane? Acstyles proved it can because simply banes control of the force isnt greater than vaders, and again vader destroyed an ATAT size tank with that technique in 4 seconds, Unless bane has a defence, he is fu*ked, Argue if you want, its been proven vader > bane and simply zephiel was wtf pwned in that debate by all the vader supporters. you will simply be ignored

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]
Idiot! Malak got powered-up because he understood the secrets of Star Forge and then utilized its power for his own use. Star Forge does not automatically powers-up people in it. The Star Forge was doing what Malak intended it to do. [B]
And as if other powerful sith lords cant understand its secrets, ever heard of the star maps or using the entire dark side of the area to back you up? Apparantly exar kun has proven this, he used the entire dark side of yavin to back him up when he tore lukes spirit from his body, Unless you want to prove that the SF is only limited to people who know about it, prove it, Again revan is close to sidous, vader is close to revan, These 3 people would fcuk malak hard.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]

Yeah! in a cartoon. Not impressive!
[B]

I have nothing to say, you ARE a dumbass, wait till lightsnake pwns your ass

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]
He did under-estimated Revan as well. Bane is close and you shut up!
Sry, bane doesnt come close, its been proven in this forums, i have the right not-to-shut-up, Now shut yer hole and pull your head out of banes arse, want to argue? Acstyles and JJ will wtf own you, and for that matter i will too

Originally posted by Kadesh
God your a retard, i handed you your ass and you come back for more

An excuse to save your own face! good attempt.

Originally posted by Kadesh
LOL i love you legend, thanks for backing up my point, notice you said revan is MORE than twice as powerful? tell me smart ass whats 50+50?
Correct, thanks for showing it to me, you here have just pwned your own ass

Backing your point? you said that you never stated that Dooku is 50% of Sidious and I posted your comment in which you stated that. Now you deny it. You know what? only loosers like you deny their own comments.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You ARE a liar, you said "ok fine, lets say dooku is 50% of sidious" and um now what? You are saying revan is slightly more than 80% of sidious? That isnt even twice, thanks again for backing my point up 🙂

I admit that I said that Revan is more then twice as powerful as Dooku (considering how well Revan did on Star Forge and his power), but even if I follow your assumption of Dooku being 50% of Sidious, Revan is still close to being 2x of Dooku.

- Revan > Dooku in Force Mastery
- Revan > Dooku in Experience (because Revan fought in many battles and Dooku fought in few compared to Revan)
- Revan > Dooku in Saber Skills (considering the fact that he was the best duelist in the order of thousands of Jedi and played a very vital role in slaughtering an entire Sith army on Star Forge)
- Revan > Dooku in strength factor

Either improve your vocabulary or learn to speak English, so that you can understand meanings of English statements written by me.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Contradictions galore! First you say he is more than twice as powerfl, now your implying he is nearly twice as powerful, Again thanks for backing my point up

I still say that Revan is about twice as powerful as Dooku. Your own assumption has solidified my point. I should say thanks to you for saying that Dooku is at-least 50% of Sidious.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Irrelevant to post

Another excuse from you to back-out from my point. Sidious discarded Dooku for a reason and I have posted that reason.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um wasnt i the one who made the assumption? @sshole so dont take credit for something you didnt state,

Your own assumption has made my case better because even if I believe your point, Revan is close to being 2x of Dooku.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Thanks for saying that 🙂 that is gonna go in my profile
i already knew this fact moron, so what damm differences does it make? Those "cockroaches" lightsaber skills dont get boosted by the almighty SF and revan clearly pwns em in a saber fight, whats so special about that?

Revan was the most powerful Jedi in KOTOR era and thats why he handled those Dark Jedi very well. The powers of those Dark Jedi were enhanced by Star Forge way before they faced Revan and thats why they were demonstrating impressive Force abilities. Additionally, Bastilla's Meditation was there and still they failed. Now do you understand that how much boost Battle Meditation can provide to abilities of a Force User/Soldier?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Many things, revan could be holding of 3 dark jedis, And mission has the ability "sneak attack" while T3 can just shoot a distracted dark jedi

And if a Thermal Detonator is shoved in there position then what happens?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Fair enough, Doesnt change the fact that the entire PT MAY have been with him, notice the word "may" im just implying it was possible they are with him

No proper evidence available for this. His Jedi companions were there with him for sure.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And GL works closely with those authors.. By the way as anakin skywalker, his superior saber skills and take almost any one in the SW universe save for yoda mace and sidious. It is possible sidious was referring to that.

Saber Skills is a possible scenario but Revan is no push-over for him in this case either.

Originally posted by Kadesh
No, but GL did made it clear that vader is 80% of ROTJ sidious whom is 10-15% stronger than his former self, wouldnt that make vader 90-95% of ROTS sidious whom is already declared the most powerful sith by the NEC? Of course i still put revan above him so dont attempt to argue.

Fine!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Revan can simpy do them because bane is 1) Not even close to revan 2) Less skillful than revan
But the question is, which is faster? Vaders killer force wave which is instant or revans lightning which takes a few mere seconds? Im not saying vader > revan

Revan does not knows Force Wave? Even Bastilla demonstrated this ability. Obvously some-one as powerful as revan would have this ability.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again the SF DOES not boost up and power up your saber skills

I agree!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yea right "millions" of sith as you claim, apparantly not true, there were hunderds, only malak and revan were among the top of these "sith" and revan knew they are weak, problably why he mentioned the rule of 2 in the holocron. and nearly "unstoppable"? Sorry, thats on the SF and the SF doesnt power up one particular sith lord. it powers up ALL dark side users. meaning if it was a stronger sith lord than malak the SF would make the stronger opponent even stronger than SF malak.

There were many Sith in those times including both Soldiers and Force Sensitives. They all numbered in millions.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Of course revan can do it! And destroying droids is not a big deal! You yourself are so fond of saying it, remember vader killing droids? Nothing special as your so fond of saying it.

Droids can be very strong and huge as well. Tank Droids are much more powerful then normal Droids and a Force User as powerful as Revan can easily deal with them.

Originally posted by Kadesh
See the above, i handed your ass to you on this one, Concede or be humuliated

Then stop telling me that Vader destroyed a Light Tank or what-ever. Revan can easily do that.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Name them please other than his lightning, he may know crush, but he never demonstrates them, Again as i said vader is directly under revan and im not suprised given revans power

Ask Drew?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Kill revan? Nope because he has a defence, Bane? Acstyles proved it can because simply banes control of the force isnt greater than vaders, and again vader destroyed an ATAT size tank with that technique in 4 seconds, Unless bane has a defence, he is fu*ked, Argue if you want, its been proven vader > bane and simply zephiel was wtf pwned in that debate by all the vader supporters. you will simply be ignored

I won't get in to Bane vs Vader debate here.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And as if other powerful sith lords cant understand its secrets, ever heard of the star maps or using the entire dark side of the area to back you up? Apparantly exar kun has proven this, he used the entire dark side of yavin to back him up when he tore lukes spirit from his body, Unless you want to prove that the SF is only limited to people who know about it, prove it, Again revan is close to sidous, vader is close to revan, These 3 people would fcuk malak hard.

What do you think that did Revan did on Malachor? He channelled the entire dark side power of Malachor and with it corrupted all the Jedi fighting above with Mandalorians.

Originally posted by Kadesh
I have nothing to say, you ARE a dumbass, wait till lightsnake pwns your ass

LS? I have contended with him before!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Sry, bane doesnt come close, its been proven in this forums, i have the right not-to-shut-up, Now shut yer hole and pull your head out of banes arse, want to argue? Acstyles and JJ will wtf own you, and for that matter i will too

Bane is very close to Vader. AcStyles and JJ have their own views and they can't change mine until I am convinced. You should use your own knowledge in these kinds of debates.

Originally posted by Kadesh
God your a retard, i handed you your ass and you come back for more

An excuse to save your own face! good attempt.

Originally posted by Kadesh
LOL i love you legend, thanks for backing up my point, notice you said revan is MORE than twice as powerful? tell me smart ass whats 50+50?
Correct, thanks for showing it to me, you here have just pwned your own ass

Backing your point? you said that you never stated that Dooku is 50% of Sidious and I posted your comment in which you stated that. Now you deny it. You know what? only loosers like you deny their own comments.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You ARE a liar, you said "ok fine, lets say dooku is 50% of sidious" and um now what? You are saying revan is slightly more than 80% of sidious? That isnt even twice, thanks again for backing my point up 🙂

I admit that I said that Revan is more then twice as powerful as Dooku (considering how well Revan did on Star Forge and his power), but even if I follow your assumption of Dooku being 50% of Sidious, Revan is still close to being 2x of Dooku.

- Revan > Dooku in Force Mastery
- Revan > Dooku in Experience (because Revan fought in many battles and Dooku fought in few compared to Revan)
- Revan > Dooku in Saber Skills (considering the fact that he was the best duelist in the order of thousands of Jedi and played a very vital role in slaughtering an entire Sith army on Star Forge)
- Revan > Dooku in strength factor

Either improve your vocabulary or learn to speak English, so that you can understand meanings of English statements written by me.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Contradictions galore! First you say he is more than twice as powerfl, now your implying he is nearly twice as powerful, Again thanks for backing my point up

I still say that Revan is about twice as powerful as Dooku. Your own assumption has solidified my point. I should say thanks to you for saying that Dooku is at-least 50% of Sidious.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Irrelevant to post

Another excuse from you to back-out from my point. Sidious discarded Dooku for a reason and I have posted that reason.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um wasnt i the one who made the assumption? @sshole so dont take credit for something you didnt state,

Your own assumption has made my case better because even if I believe your point, Revan is close to being 2x of Dooku.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Thanks for saying that 🙂 that is gonna go in my profile
i already knew this fact moron, so what damm differences does it make? Those "cockroaches" lightsaber skills dont get boosted by the almighty SF and revan clearly pwns em in a saber fight, whats so special about that?

Revan was the most powerful Jedi in KOTOR era and thats why he handled those Dark Jedi very well. The powers of those Dark Jedi were enhanced by Star Forge way before they faced Revan and thats why they were demonstrating impressive Force abilities. Additionally, Bastilla's Meditation was their and still they failed. Do you understand that how much boost Battle Meditation can provide to abilities of a Force User/Soldier?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Many things, revan could be holding of 3 dark jedis, And mission has the ability "sneak attack" while T3 can just shoot a distracted dark jedi

And if a Thermal Detonator is shoved in there position then what happens?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Fair enough, Doesnt change the fact that the entire PT MAY have been with him, notice the word "may" im just implying it was possible they are with him

No proper evidence available for this. His Jedi companions were there with him for sure.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And GL works closely with those authors.. By the way as anakin skywalker, his superior saber skills and take almost any one in the SW universe save for yoda mace and sidious. It is possible sidious was referring to that.

Saber Skills is a possible scenario but Revan was no push-over him in this case either.

Originally posted by Kadesh
No, but GL did made it clear that vader is 80% of ROTJ sidious whom is 10-15% stronger than his former self, wouldnt that make vader 90-95% of ROTS sidious whom is already declared the most powerful sith by the NEC? Of course i still put revan above him so dont attempt to argue.

Fine!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Revan can simpy do them because bane is 1) Not even close to revan 2) Less skillful than revan
But the question is, which is faster? Vaders killer force wave which is instant or revans lightning which takes a few mere seconds? Im not saying vader > revan

Revan does not knows Force Wave? Even Bastilla demonstrated this ability. Obviously some-one as powerful as revan would have this ability.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again the SF DOES not boost up and power up your saber skills

I agree!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yea right "millions" of sith as you claim, apparantly not true, there were hunderds, only malak and revan were among the top of these "sith" and revan knew they are weak, problably why he mentioned the rule of 2 in the holocron. and nearly "unstoppable"? Sorry, thats on the SF and the SF doesnt power up one particular sith lord. it powers up ALL dark side users. meaning if it was a stronger sith lord than malak the SF would make the stronger opponent even stronger than SF malak.

There were many Sith in those times including both Soldiers and Force Sensitives. They all numbered in millions.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Of course revan can do it! And destroying droids is not a big deal! You yourself are so fond of saying it, remember vader killing droids? Nothing special as your so fond of saying it.

Droids can be very strong and huge as well. Tank Droids are much more powerful then normal Droids and a Force User as powerful as Revan can easily deal with them.

Originally posted by Kadesh
See the above, i handed your ass to you on this one, Concede or be humuliated

So stop telling me that Vader destroyed a Light Tank or what-ever. Revan can easily do that.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Name them please other than his lightning, he may know crush, but he never demonstrates them, Again as i said vader is directly under revan and im not suprised given revans power

Ask Drew?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Kill revan? Nope because he has a defence, Bane? Acstyles proved it can because simply banes control of the force isnt greater than vaders, and again vader destroyed an ATAT size tank with that technique in 4 seconds, Unless bane has a defence, he is fu*ked, Argue if you want, its been proven vader > bane and simply zephiel was wtf pwned in that debate by all the vader supporters. you will simply be ignored

I won't get in to Bane vs Vader debate here.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And as if other powerful sith lords cant understand its secrets, ever heard of the star maps or using the entire dark side of the area to back you up? Apparantly exar kun has proven this, he used the entire dark side of yavin to back him up when he tore lukes spirit from his body, Unless you want to prove that the SF is only limited to people who know about it, prove it, Again revan is close to sidous, vader is close to revan, These 3 people would fcuk malak hard.

What do you think that did Revan did on Malachor? He channelled the entire dark side power of Malachor and with it corrupted all the Jedi fighting above with Mandalorians.

Originally posted by Kadesh
I have nothing to say, you ARE a dumbass, wait till lightsnake pwns your ass

LS? I have contended with him before!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Sry, bane doesnt come close, its been proven in this forums, i have the right not-to-shut-up, Now shut yer hole and pull your head out of banes arse, want to argue? Acstyles and JJ will wtf own you, and for that matter i will too

Bane is very close to Vader. AcStyles and JJ have their own views and they can't change mine until I am convinced. You should use your own knowledge in these kinds of debates, if you are really a good debator.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Uhuh, keep telling yourself that. "I come home in the morning at 2AM and check emails and go visit a star wars forum". That's cute, I'm glad you need to convince yourself of that. Is there anything else I should be doing at 2 in the morning other than messing around on the internet? Way to make yourself look like a moron for the umteenth time.

Ah yeah there is your 23, you should be getting ready for work/school, or if not that having a you know an actual social life, not spending your life arguing with teenagers about the power of star wars characters.

And really do I care that you have no life and are on this site all day every day, no not really. So save your justifications. Again keep my name out your posts and we wont have a problem. And I'm the moron, your the one who:

A. Is a grown ass man in a petty argument with a teenager.

B. A loser who spend his all free time on vs forums

C. A grown man who still gets made fun off in college

D. Makes lame excuses to defend himself with "well its my friends who make fun of me!" even though said person has probably no friends to begin with.

E. Doesn't even know the meaning of the words he types.

*claps*

So I'm done with this as I said keep my name out your post when I'm not even responding to you and your just talking shit to make your sad joke of a life seem better.

But I already know this forum and your little "Dr. House" persona you've concocted means so much to you that you can't let an argument die, I'll go ahead and type your response for you since its the kind of crap you'd likely put up anyways:

"Awww thats cute! yawn Liek your stupid and a girl! I'm not a loser my friends make fun of me!! and uh uh your a moron!"

*Insert stupid "owned" picture*

I'm done.

Lol lol thats revan to me : ), the white guy i just posted

We all have our "Revans". Indian Revan is just ten times more cooler thats all 😎

Black Revan > Indian Revan....FACT

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Ah yeah there is your 23, you should be getting ready for work/school, or if not that having a you know an actual social life, not spending your life arguing with teenagers about the power of star wars characters.

And really do I care that you have no life and are on this site all day every day, no not really. So save your justifications. Again keep my name out your posts and we wont have a problem. And I'm the moron, your the one who:

A. Is a grown ass man in a petty argument with a teenager.

B. A loser who spend his all free time on vs forums

C. A grown man who still gets made fun off in college

D. Makes lame excuses to defend himself with "well its my friends who make fun of me!" even though said person has probably no friends to begin with.

E. Doesn't even know the meaning of the words he types.

*claps*

So I'm done with this as I said keep my name out your post when I'm not even responding to you and your just talking shit to make your sad joke of a life seem better.

But I already know this forum and your little "Dr. House" persona you've concocted means so much to you that you can't let an argument die, I'll go ahead and type your response for you since its the kind of crap you'd likely put up anyways:

"Awww thats cute! yawn Liek your stupid and a girl! I'm not a loser my friends make fun of me!! and uh uh your a moron!"

*Insert stupid "owned" picture*

I'm done.

And yet you're still bitching like a sad little schoolgirl. I don't have to put up anymore pwned pictures, you're doing a fine job yourself. Btw, the reason I don't have a job is the same reason I probably make more money than your family, so please don't try to lecture me about the social norms of a college student.

LOL sure thing tough guy your sooo rich I bet! Your supposed to be 23? An adult? With crap like "Well im richer then your family!" you might as well downgrade some more to the "My dad can beat up your dad insults" And really way to prove your posts are the same recycled insults. As I said keep my name out your posts and we wont have a problem.

I thought you were done dumbshit? You were wondering why I don't have a job so I explained myself, which is why I can afford to NOT go to work and instead spend my time studying for my LSATS, or going to school. You've wasted a lot of time and energy trying to insult me, I find it humorous.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I thought you were done dumbshit? You were wondering why I don't have a job so I explained myself, which is why I can afford to NOT go to work [B]and instead spend my time studying for my LSATS, or going to school. You've wasted a lot of time and energy trying to insult me, I find it humorous. [/B]

Dumbshit is that a new one? Oh my are we getting new content!?

No, I wasn't wondering why you don't have a job, I really don't give a f*ck, I was wondering why a 23 year old senior in college is spending all those sleepless nights by himself arguing with teens about star wars characters power levels.

And LOL with all the time you spend here looks like someone will fail. Your the one who's wasted his time with all these defensive explanations about your life that I really could give a shit about. The only reason I'm keeping this up is to prove(as I've done) how petty this grown man is that he can't even drop an argument without adding an insult at the end because he's so worried about his appearance on the intrawebz.

As I said before keep my name out your posts and we have no problem my oh so rich friend who boasts on the net, because we all know whatever said on the net = fact. thumbsup

Get. A. Life.

Get a life? That's a good suggestion for the moron who's been crying and bitching for the past two days.

I'm giving Sexy a warning for his behavior on this thread...yeah, knock it off.

lol, I'm not the one who has been bitching the past two days but that's cool Rex, no big deal.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Backing your point? you said that you never stated that Dooku is 50% of Sidious and I posted your comment in which you stated that. Now you deny it. You know what? only loosers like you deny their own comments.

LOL ok so i did contracdicted myself here i concede

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I admit that I said that Revan is more then twice as powerful as Dooku (considering how well Revan did on Star Forge and his power), but even if I follow your assumption of Dooku being 50% of Sidious, Revan is still close to being 2x of Dooku.
Still doesnt prove revan is more than twice the power of dooku.
You still insisted that revan IS MORE than twice as powerful that dooku and now you are dollowing my assumption of dooku being 50% of revan, SORRY but it still more than twice right? im going by your old arguement chump change

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[You still insisted that revan IS MORE than twice as powerful that dooku and now you are dollowing my assumption of dooku being 50% of revan, SORRY but it still more than twice right? im going by your old arguement chump change
- Revan > Dooku in Force Mastery
- Revan > Dooku in Experience (because Revan fought in many battles and Dooku fought in few compared to Revan)
- Revan > Dooku in Saber Skills (considering the fact that he was the best duelist in the order of thousands of Jedi and played a very vital role in slaughtering an entire Sith army on Star Forge)
- Revan > Dooku in strength factor [/B]
Revan > dooku in experience? revan > dooku in saber skills? Excuse me but dooku is a jedi for 80 years, He has more experience, some one with common sense should know that, Dooku has more experience does it mean he > revan? No so dont get the wrong idea. Revan > dooku in saberskills? Do we even know if revan mastered his saber form to its highest degree? No we dont, we dont even know what form he uses, you conceded this point so shut yer hole
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Either improve your vocabulary or learn to speak English, so that you can understand meanings of English statements written by me.
Sure, you keep changing your statements, that makes us even
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I still say that Revan is about twice as powerful as Dooku. Your own assumption has solidified my point. I should say thanks to you for saying that Dooku is at-least 50% of Sidious.
See the above? You changed your statement once again which proves you to be an idiot, First you said revan is MORE than twice as powerful, now you say he is close to twice as powerful, do you know the EXACT percentage of revan i the 100% of sidious? You can only estimate, and it can be inaccurate.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Another excuse from you to back-out from my point. Sidious discarded Dooku for a reason and I have posted that reason.
He discarded him because of anakin, Now what reason is there to argue on this since we are argueing about revan? I didnt back out, simply it is not relevant
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Your own assumption has made my case better because even if I believe your point, Revan is close to being 2x of Dooku.
Actually my assumption destroyed your "statement" of revan being MORE than twice the power of dooku, now its "close" to 2x the power, see the difference?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan was the most powerful Jedi in KOTOR era and thats why he handled those Dark Jedi very well. The powers of those Dark Jedi were enhanced by Star Forge way before they faced Revan and thats why they were demonstrating impressive Force abilities. Additionally, Bastilla's Meditation was their and still they failed. Do you understand that how much boost Battle Meditation can provide to abilities of a Force User/Soldier?
Do you understand that the SF DOES NOT boost up your lightsaber skills right? S_w_legend, are you an idiot or something? BM gives you the confidence to fight, and sadly again it does not give you extra skills with the lightsaber, revan still > them, What big fcuking shit does it mean if revan killed dark jedis who were inferiors, so what if their force powers were boosted up? It still didint work on revan jolee or junahi because they are inferiors. Do you understand?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And if a Thermal Detonator is shoved in there position then what happens?
What happens if a thermal detonator doesnt get shoved at them? Obviously the sith soldiers are going to focus on the jedis, not weaklings like them
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

No proper evidence available for this. His Jedi companions were there with him for sure.

Idiot did you see the word its a "possibility"?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Saber Skills is a possible scenario but Revan was no push-over him in this case either.

Fine

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan does not knows Force Wave? Even Bastilla demonstrated this ability. Obviously some-one as powerful as revan would have this ability.
Did i say revan doesnt know force wave in that statement moron? Of course he has learn to read for fcuks sake

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

There were many Sith in those times including both Soldiers and Force Sensitives. They all numbered in millions.
The how did all the sith die out in 5 years time? Because the NEC stated by the end of kotor 2 there was only 1 sith lord remaining to carry on the name "darth". Again if millions of sith can die out so fast, it extremely big in history, kreia would have said something about it, O wait you mean the soldiers apparantly their aare more soliders than force sensitives

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Droids can be very strong and huge as well. Tank Droids are much more powerful then normal Droids and a Force User as powerful as Revan can easily deal with them.
So? vader defeated droids who were described as unstoppable to a jedi knight and yet he defeated an entire squadron of them, Still i used to remember you saying "Kadesh! destroying droids is not a big thing" And here you are doing it

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

So stop telling me that Vader destroyed a Light Tank or what-ever. Revan can easily do that.
Idiot do you know how big an AT-AT is? it isnt considered a light tank, its called heavy machinery, and so far there is no evidence to even point out revan has force crush because simply he never demonstrates it, remember, there are certein powers some jedi dont have, Revan doesnt have the ability force levitate which vader demonstrated twice in empire comics.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Ask Drew?
Apparantly he couldnt mention them simply because he tried to make shit up. So it classifys under known powers
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I won't get in to Bane vs Vader debate here.

Then dont
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

What do you think that did Revan did on Malachor? He channelled the entire dark side power of Malachor and with it corrupted all the Jedi fighting above with Mandalorians.
So? Yoda channeled the entire dark side power of dagobah to one single spot and he made it stay put there with his powers
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

LS? I have contended with him before!
Contending wit hhim doesnt mean you can beat him in a debate, If this was about sidious, gideon LS DS all would pwn you which sadly isnt the case. Simply because they dont want to argue with an idiot like you
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Bane is very close to Vader. AcStyles and JJ have their own views and they can't change mine until I am convinced. You should use your own knowledge in these kinds of debates, if you are really a good debator.
You couldnt even prove bane is close to vader, and i simply dont have to prove vader is ahead of bane, why? because 1) Debates are what convince people 2) The evidenc of vader speaks for himself 3) bane didnt do shit accept getting nearly shitted with the fight against kasim and people use that as some big ass victory. Again you said this is bane vs vader right? fine by me

EDIT this isnt bane vs vader, i mistyped that

S_w_legend no offence but you are the most annoying person i have ever argued with, You still continue to argue points you have conceded and where other people have refuted time and again, This arguement we are going through is worse than what i , sith'ari and rocasatoll have been through.
Example, i keep telling the SF does not and will not increase ones saber skills and revan simply pwned them in a duel, you still want to ramble that the SF makes them strong which isnt the case since they get pwned on impact with a lightsaber
secondly i sense a shit load of denail in you, you just cannot accept the fact that sidious > revan and yoda > revan and you always love to ramble "revan is very close", Close in what sense? You never specify and when i ask you to, you give the SF bullshit that he killed Dark jedis whos saber skills are shit compared to actuall jedis and sith lords like revan jolee and juhani.
Like i said, its Kotor2 who made revan look strong, Not Drews pathetic attempt to make revan look god. FFS drew is so stupid he even wrote sirak using vaapad in the book however this is not the case. And when i say "vader can do this" For some unknown reason you would just say "o revan can do that" so what? Is it relevant to the debate at all? Fcuk no why cant you just fcuking except the fact that vader can do somethings that revan can, I never ever specified vader being stronger than revan.
Lastly your hypocrisy is just as annoying, you bitched at me that vader killing droids is not a big thing, and yet you use them in this debate

Sorry for double posting, i couldnt edit so i retyped everything

EDIT this isnt bane vs vader, i mistyped that

S_w_legend no offence but you are the most annoying person i have ever argued with, You still continue to argue points you have conceded and where other people have refuted time and again, This arguement we are going through is worse than what i , sith'ari and rocasatoll have been through.
Example, i keep telling the SF does not and will not increase ones saber skills and revan simply pwned them in a duel, you still want to ramble that the SF makes them strong which isnt the case since they get pwned on impact with a lightsaber
secondly i sense a shit load of denail in you, you just cannot accept the fact that sidious > revan and yoda > revan and you always love to ramble "revan is very close", Close in what sense? You never specify and when i ask you to, you give the SF bullshit that he killed Dark jedis whos saber skills are shit compared to actuall jedis and sith lords like revan jolee and juhani.
Like i said, its Kotor2 who made revan look strong, Not Drews pathetic attempt to make revan look god. FFS drew is so stupid he even wrote sirak using vaapad in the book however this is not the case. And when i say "vader can do this" For some unknown reason you would just say "o revan can do that" so what? Is it relevant to the debate at all? Fcuk no why cant you just fcuking except the fact that vader can do somethings that revan can, I never ever specified vader being stronger than revan.
Lastly your hypocrisy is just as annoying, you bitched at me that vader killing droids is not a big thing, and yet you use them in this debate
I Admit i contradicted myself about the dooku part, but again we dont know for sure where dooku stands and i dont like the assumption you made, I did assume dooku is 50% of sidious to counter your silly assumption of revan being more than twice the power of dooku, then you changed your words , you now say he is close to twice the power because you followed my assumption.

S_W_legend, there are somethings you have to except and move on, i accepted the fact revan > vader so why cant you accept certen things?

Now chose, continue the idiotic debate above this post and further destroy both our morales or talk to me about this right here

Then maybe we will settle this civily unless of course you chose to continue the idiotic debate because if you do i will too.