The PT vs. The Old-School

Fine, I'll concede the power of the beams themselves, however and the continuous nature of such.

Whether they alone will be the deciding factor seems a bit off to me

Originally posted by Kadesh
800 years of experience? By the way, yoda did what he did, its recorded as he can do these kind of things, accept it and move on
How do i know? From what he has demonstrated?

Do you understand that experience does not fully matters in judging the power of a Jedi? Here are a few cases:

1- Sidious vs Yoda: Sidious had 50+ years of experience and yet he taught Yoda a lesson or two in a fight in Senate hall (who had over 800+ years of experience)? right?

2- Dooku vs Anakin: Anakin destroyed Dooku in a short time on a Cruiser during Clone Wars and Dooku was far more experienced then Anakin? right?

Sorry! Yoda's 800 years of experience does not matters.

And regarding lifting mountains and such, I have not seen Yoda doing such an action in highest form of canon. He had to exert lot of power when he lifted that X-Wing Fighter in AHH and stopped the Crane from falling on the two wounded Jedi in AOTC.

In simple words: I don't give a shit about what is shown in SW Cartoons. If Revan was in a SW Cartoon, he would be as impressive or close.

Originally posted by Kadesh
From what has been shown in the dooku vs vader thread? Both are pretty much powerful, dooku is only close to vader, not very close, check out the thread, it took 1000 posts to prove vader > dooku
You claimed revan is more than twice as powerful than dooku, and dooku is slightly more than half of sidious, you implied indirectly(and you didnt realise) revan > sidious

Dooku has demonstrated following capabilities: (with respect to the movies)

- Force Sense (every Jedi have this)
- Force Jump (lots of Jedi and Sith can do this)
- Force Grip
- Force Lightning
- Force Deflect
- Telekinesis (most Jedi have this ability)
- Force Push (many Jedi can do this)

Now! I agree that Dooku's mastery in Force was good but was he really as good as you try to make him sound?

Do you remember that what Yoda said to Dooku after engaging in a Force contest with him during Battle of Geonosis?

Yoda said this: "Powerful you have become! Dooku. Still much to learn you have". This shows that how strong Dooku really was! 🙄

Dooku was powerful but he was not uber like some people try to portray here. Vader has demonstrated more then him actually and he (as Anakin) destroyed Dooku in very short time. Not very convincing! Kadesh!

And you have not provided any evidence to back up your point that Dooku was close to Vader in power and even if Dooku was close, Anakin destroyed him in short time. Now Revan is considered to be more powerful then Anakin and how would you expect Dooku to do well against such a powerful Jedi?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Firstly it defies logic, how can 3 people take on like 20-30 dark jedi padawans? It is impossible and it would make them look like force gods. By the way, PROVE that they came as an entire army,
1) it would be impossible given the design of the interior
2)There is no proof he took on the entire "army" as one
I thought you said we shouldnt trust gameplay mechanics? You contradict yourself again. Obviously what are the other 6 doing in the ebon hawk? They must have taken part in the battle and not just sit there in the ebon hawk am i correct?

This is what Malak's commander said: "Do you think that the entire Sith Army would be able to stop Revan! Lord Malak". Then Malak replied: "Of-course not. But they will slow him down".

Now an entire Sith Army would only slow Revan down according to Malak's own words. Can you imagine the power that Revan wielded?

Kadesh! open your eyes now and it was you who actually taught people the notion that we should not trust Game Mechanics.

And Jollyjim had already made a good arguement of capibilities of Revan's companions in "Revan vs Anakin ROTS" thread and showed that how pathetic were they when compared to Revan. Check it out indeed.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Quite a big feat? Vader and sidious were able to shake down 20 story buildings with ease in EAW cut scenes and lets not forget that the "sith" army were made up of padawans, weaklings whom jolee juhani and revan can step on without breaking any sweat, lets also not forget those padawans may be inexperienced

Ludo Kressh also shook large objects with rage but did that power helped him in his fight against Sadow? Nopes!

And those Dark Jedi (weaklings - as you call them) were demonstrating powers like: Force Lightning, Plague, Force Drain and Force Wave. They were not bad fighters as you so easily try to portray them. We had seen those Dark Jedi slaying the Jedi knights in the Star Forge. And Jolee could not do shit if Revan was not there with him on Star Forge. So make a better case next time.

Originally posted by Kadesh
It has been recorded in sw history, so therefore yoda did what he did
Actually in terms of sith rankings, he is 2nd place, and i put vader beneth him

And I do not care about what has been shown in Star Wars cartoons. Sorry!

A correction in my above post.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Jollyjim had already made a good arguement of capibilities of Revan's companions in "Revan vs Anakin ROTS" thread and showed that how pathetic were they when compared to Revan. Check it out indeed.

S_w_legend, i am getting sick of your revan fanboyism. Now i am going to get harsh

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oh Yes! the "experience" part...

Do you understand that experience does not fully matters in judging the power of a Jedi? Here are a few cases:

[b]1- Sidious vs Yoda: Sidious had 50+ years of experience and yet he taught Yoda a lesson or two in a fight in Senate hall (who had over 800+ years of experience)? right?

2- Dooku vs Anakin: Anakin destroyed Dooku in a short time on a Cruiser during Clone Wars and Dooku was far more experienced then Anakin? right? [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And regarding lifting mountains and such, I have not seen Yoda doing such an action in highest form of canon. He had to exert lot of power when he lifted that X-Wing Fighter in AHH and stopped the Crane from falling on the two wounded Jedi in AOTC.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

In simple words: I don't give a shit about what is shown in SW Cartoons. If Revan was in a SW Cartoon, he would be as impressive or close.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Lets talk about the capabilities of Dooku first!

Dooku has demonstrated following capabilities: (with respect to the movies)

- Force Sense (every Jedi have this)
- Force Jump (lots of Jedi and Sith can do this)
- Force Grip
- Force Lightning
- Force Deflect
- Telekinesis (most Jedi have this ability)
- Force Push (many Jedi can do this)

Now! I agree that Dooku's mastery in Force was good but was he really as good as you try to make him sound?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Do you remember that what Yoda said to Dooku after engaging in a Force contest with him during Battle of Geonosis?

Yoda said this: "[b]Powerful you have become! Dooku. Still much to learn you have". This shows that how strong Dooku really was! [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Dooku was powerful but he was not uber like some people try to portray here. Vader has demonstrated more then him actually and he (as Anakin) destroyed Dooku in very short time. Not very convincing! Kadesh!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And you have not provided any evidence to back up your point that Dooku was close to Vader in power and even if Dooku was close, Anakin destroyed him in short time. Now Revan is considered to be more powerful then Anakin and how would you expect Dooku to do well against such a powerful Jedi?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And you failed to note that Jolee and Juhani were not very powerful but Revan was far more powerful then them both and he was the main reason that the entire Sith Army failed on Star Forge. Malak acknowledged this and do you know that what the SF based Sith Commander said to Malak regarding Revan?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

This is what Malak's commander said: "Do you think that the entire Sith Army would be able to stop Revan! Lord Malak". Then Malak replied: "Of-course not. But they will slow him down".

Now an entire Sith Army would only slow Revan down according to Malak's own words. Can you imagine the power that Revan wielded?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Kadesh! open your eyes now and it was you who actually taught people the notion that we should not trust Game Mechanics.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And [b]Jollyjim had already made a good arguement of capibilities of Revan's companions in "Revan vs Anakin ROTS" thread and showed that how pathetic were they when compared to Revan. Check it out indeed.[/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Wow! Vader and Sidious shaking buildings with rage make them uber right? 🙄

Ludo Kressh also shook large objects with rage but did that power helped him in his fight against Sadow? Nopes!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And those Dark Jedi (weaklings - as you call them) were demonstrating powers like: Force Lightning, Plague, Force Drain and Force Wave. They were not bad fighters as you so easily try to portray them. We had seen those Dark Jedi slaying the Jedi knights in the Star Forge. And Jolee could not do shit if Revan was not there with him on Star Forge. So make a better case next time.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Yoda would be in second place but that does not means that he is far more powerful then Revan.

And I do not care about what has been shown in Star Wars cartoons. Sorry!

EDIT yea i read your post, zephiel7 is just another KOTOR fanboy, apparantly acstyles smashed his arguements to pieces of bane > vader and Acstyles proved vader > bane

Last thing, if Rampant Ox is seeing this he is going to smash you to pieces about what you claim of dooku

Originally posted by Advent
So, you wonder why I argue against incorrect things? I don't like to see bullshit flung on the forums, as much is apparent by the fact I usually correct people on even minuscule details. As well, I don't ever like anyone trying to correct me, that pisses me off.

I'll get your "response" later, Lightsnake. Just to let you know.

EDIT legend, if i said anything harsh on the above post, just ignore it, i am in an extremely bad mood today

Originally posted by Kadesh
S_w_legend, i am getting sick of your revan fanboyism. Now i am going to get harsh

Originally posted by Kadesh
No, i was referring to the techniques and knowledge of the force yoda had during those 800 years, he could learnt techniques revan has never heard of and by the way, several sources prove yoda > revan.

Revan learned various extremely dangerous techniques that Bane was hesitant in learning and using them (as indicated in POD Novel). I doubt that Yoda ever knew about such kind of devastating ancient Dark Side techniques because knowledge of many such ancient techniques faded away with loss of their sources.

And why don't you tell me about some unique techniques that Yoda has invented himself in his 800+ years of life if he knows much more?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Revan became a for of darkness during kotor, and yoda was stated to be the most powerful foe of dark ness, im sorry but revan doesnt come close

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um since when it took him difficulty to lift up an x wing? Want me to pull out the video on youtube to hand you your ass? He did it effortlessly and as for the crane which nearly crashed on obi wan, it made no differece, he stopped a senate pod thrown at him with little effort. Sorry, you fail. And apparantly he already lifted that part of the mountain

And he had to throw his Light Saber and walking stick aside and use both of his hands to stop that Crane from falling over Obi-Wan and Anakin. Thus that scene shows that it too required immense power from Yoda to be tossed away.

And a Senate Pod is not as heavy as an X-Wing Fighter and that Crane. Try again!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Then that means you dont give a shit about canon which points you out as a fanboy of revan

Provide me an evidence from a Novel and I will be convinced.

Originally posted by Kadesh
What you just typed down there only backs up my case to why dooku is close to vader in power, why in the name of screaming shit when theres a debate about dooku vs vader its so god damm huge that the posts reached 1000 which is about the largest debate on 2 characters fightning in KMC? O wait how bout the fact he survived an ecounter with yoda, wow he survived an ecounter with the strongest foe of dark ness, im actually impressed!

And Dooku ran away from Yoda after a fight with him. Because he knew that if he stayed then he would loose to Yoda.

Originally posted by Kadesh
LOL does that prove revan is 2x of dooku? Of course not fanbrat
No? how about taking down mace windu whom vaapad fightning styles put sidious on his ass? That dooku had taken down several jedis in that fight?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Did i ever say dooku can compare to revan? For one thing, quit feeding me with words, Neither did you give any evidence to support that dooku is far from vader in power so why dont you shut the hell up? Dooku himself studied under the most powerful sith lord for 13 years, dont you think he could have learnt something? And vader is only what? 7 years ahead in dark side mastery?

And Sidious did not taught Dooku every thing that he knew and he only used him as his pawn. Dooku did learned some new techniques from Sidious but he still lost to Anakin very easily.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Of course i did, the whole reason why his puny dark jedis couldnt take revan is because 1) they came out 3 by 3
2) They are inferiors, they are padawans and even canderous alone whom is not a force user can crush one of them in a fight.
Um fanbrat, revan was with his PT? And the entire "army" came out 3 by 3? By the way, palpatine made a statement in the ROTS novel that as anakin skywalker(still inexperienced) has surpassed ever other sith lord in history, and that vader is simply stronger than he is in the force?

And Canderous is a powerful Mandalorian and Mandalorians are known to kill Jedi so I am not surprised that he could take out a Dark Jedi himself but even he does not stands a chance against such large number of enemies on his own.

And Darth Vader had not surpassed all other Sith Lords in history (in ROTS) in Star Wars. Only Sidious managed to achieved such level of power. And ROTS Novel is well known for its conflicting nature with other canon sources so I am not amazed that such a statement was put in it.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Lol dont have to, soon i will answer your post where you are USING game mechanics, shut up hypocrite.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Doesnt prove revan > yoda.

Originally posted by Kadesh
LOL and ludo couldnt stop a small brick thrown by sadow which was moving far slower than what vader threw at luke in TESB, impressive! Again it was a technique vader and sidious demonstrated to shake down the entire bulding in the cut scenes

Originally posted by Kadesh
Tsk tsk tsk. First you are so fond of saying "OMG OMG OMG!! DONT TRUST GAME MECHANICS!!!!!" And here you are USING game mechanics, sorry, what happens in gameplay is not canon, you yourself stated that, and it is highly unlikelythat padawans even mastered the force wave technique unless you want to back it up which of course you cant, Secondly what shit does it mean if they knew the force drain technique? Again they are inferiors and it wouldnt work on the stronger people like revan juhani and jolee

Try to understand that what Game Mechanics is actually and then point out.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Then by all means go ahead and ignore canon, you have proven to us you are a raging hormone fanboy of revan, simply argueing even after CONCEDING your points. Dont make me pull out the links

Originally posted by Kadesh
EDIT yea i read your post, zephiel7 is just another KOTOR fanboy, apparantly acstyles smashed his arguements to pieces of bane > vader and Acstyles proved vader > bane

Originally posted by Kadesh
Last thing, if Rampant Ox is seeing this he is going to smash you to pieces about what you claim of dooku

Originally posted by Kadesh
Ok well just leave the debate between me and legend alone, i am gettin tired of his attempts to severely overrate revan, in the DE palpatine vs revan thread he tried to spew shit that revan > sidious

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Yoda would have learned lots of techniques in his life but that does not means that he knows more techniques then Revan. Revan would know some techniques that Yoda would not have heared about. Revan gained immense knowledge of various ancient techniques from a special world like Malachor (that never existed in Yoda's time) and he also gained lots of knowledge from Korriban by exploring tombs of anicent Sith Lords and discovering their secrets. The Jedi Masters that trained him, actually pointed out that Revan always wanted to learn more. Revan has an "ever learning" personality.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan learned various extremely dangerous techniques that Bane was hesitant in learning and using them (as indicated in POD Novel). I doubt that Yoda ever knew about such kind of devastating ancient Dark Side techniques because knowledge of many such ancient techniques faded away with loss of their sources.

And why don't you tell me about some unique techniques that Yoda has invented himself in his 800+ years of life if he knows much more?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Luke is also a Foe of Darkness and yet he surpassed Yoda in terms of power. If Yoda is truely the most "powerful" foe of Darkness then he must be most powerful, which is not the case. Your logic is flawed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I have watched the movie and I it was clearly evident that he was applying lots of power to lift that X-Wing up. The X-Wing was lifted up very slowely. Watch that video again and you will know.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And he had to throw his Light Saber and walking stick aside and use both of his hands to stop that Crane from falling over Obi-Wan and Anakin. Thus that scene shows that it too required immense power from Yoda to be tossed away.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And a Senate Pod is not as heavy as an X-Wing Fighter and that Crane. Try again!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I don't consider SW Cartoons as a very reliable source to judge the power of a Jedi. Cartoons are intended for children.

Provide me an evidence from a Novel and I will be convinced.

continued....

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Dooku was very impressive and many people developed a perception that Dooku is greater then Vader but this changed after arrival of ROTS movie and a few new comics of Darth Vader. Anakin destroyed Dooku in a short time and proved that he was much stronger.

And Dooku ran away from Yoda after a fight with him. Because he knew that if he stayed then he would loose to Yoda.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Dooku lost to Anakin in very short time. And Revan is above Anakin so I don't see Dooku being close to Revan in power.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Why don't you just provide me some sort of evidence that shows that Dooku is ranked close to Vader and end this point?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Sidious did not taught Dooku every thing that he knew and he only used him as his pawn. Dooku did learned some new techniques from Sidious but he still lost to Anakin very easily.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

How do you know that they came out in 3 by 3 fashion? Game Mechanics won't help you in this regard. All we know that Malak was throwing every thing at him and yet it did not stopped Revan.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Canderous is a powerful Mandalorian and Mandalorians are known to kill Jedi so I am not surprised that he could take out a Dark Jedi himself but even he does not stands a chance against such large number of enemies on his own.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Darth Vader had not surpassed all other Sith Lords in history (in ROTS) in Star Wars. Only Sidious managed to achieved such level of power. And ROTS Novel is well known for its conflicting nature with other canon sources so I am not amazed that such a statement was put in it.

Just to let you know, the ancient sith saluted darth vader and they built him a throne in Korriban, Read EE if you dont believe me, And they salute people who are more powerful than they are

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

That is old history. Now I give more importance to quotes and statements in KOTOR games because those statements are fully canon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I never made this claim.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You are a master of twisting logics. Ludo Kressh when flew in to rage, he shook large objects around him and this does not means that he was immensly powerful. In the same manner: Vader shaking a building in anger does not makes him uber. His knowledge of Force is much more important factor.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

The powers that those Dark Jedi were demonstrating were implanted in them by [b]Drew and not me. How a fight progresses in a game is actually part of Game Mechanics and powers of pre-defined Jedi/Sith are a different ball game. Those Sith were intended to have those powers and that would be due to them being enhanced by Star Forge. [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Try to understand that what Game Mechanics is actually and then point out.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

SW Cartoons is something that I will not base my arguements upon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Bane was quickly becoming very powerful and his story is not even complete yet. I won't be surprised if he can defeat OT Vader.

Seriously are you trying to save face here or something?

Rampant Ox's opinion is respected. But I am talking about a more powerful Jedi here. [/B][/QUOTE]

For one, Styles hasn't proved jack shit besides the fact that he can't argue for shit and only troll. Secondly, Vader>Bane? Since when? I agree Vader had incredible use of the force, but then again so did Bane. Don't use someone else's argument to prove your argument because that doesn't work, and if you use somebody else's argument, make sure it's someone who can debate.
Also stop with this Yoda>Revan because of one quote, but it is VERY debatable whether or not Revan could have been Yoda's equal.

Just because bane manages to kill kasim when he nearly got shitted and just becuase he broke a foundation of the temple to crush kasim means he >>>>>> vader? . Sorry vader has demonstrated far better abilities, in eaw cut scenes being able to shake down buildings larger than the rakatan temple with ease etc. but im not going to argue
For one sexy i am sick of people downplaying vader

And DS QUIT being bias, believe it or not but id reank acstyles on the level of Gideon. He is a good debator, i like him because he keeps his qrguements short and simple, and he ismply pwned Zephiel in that Debate.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Just because bane manages to kill kasim when he nearly got shitted and just becuase he broke a foundation of the temple to crush kasim means he >>>>>> vader? . Sorry vader has demonstrated far better abilities, in eaw cut scenes being able to shake down buildings larger than the rakatan temple with ease etc. but im not going to argue
For one sexy i am sick of people downplaying vader

And DS QUIT being bias, believe it or not but id reank acstyles on the level of Gideon. He is a good debator, i like him because he keeps his qrguements short and simple, and he ismply pwned Zephiel in that Debate. [/B]

On the level of escape? Are you shitting me? You must have missed Monday's debate. Go ahead and read it before you make ridiculous comparisons. I wouldn't put him anywhere near Escape, nor Zephiel, despite of his bias towards the KOTOR.

And DS QUIT being bias, believe it or not but id reank acstyles on the level of Gideon. He is a good debator, i like him because he keeps his qrguements short and simple, and he ismply pwned Zephiel in that Debate.

This brings back nostalgia. I remember the classic Debating Level argument I had, where literally the whole forum started ranking each other in debates. Darth Sexy said he could pwn in a debate even if he was mentally retarded because I said he was a Level C debator. 😂

All the people who I have seen, and who I consider good are:

Zephiel7
Escape81/Gideon
Advent (duh)
Lightsnake
Darth Sexy
Kadesh
Darth Subjekt
Sw_LeGend
darthsith19
ACStyles
(who else have I forgotten, somebody really obvious I think)

Edit: FAUNUS, Anomally, kamikz, jolljim are also very good.

LOL this is pretty much more than half the forum, but everyone who debates here are impressive. However, I have to say hands-down that Advent is the best. She's really the toughest challenge I've had here.

Am I good?

Ew. A girl is #1. What has America come to.

😆

Originally posted by General Kenobl
This brings back nostalgia. I remember the classic Debating Level argument I had, where literally the whole forum started ranking each other in debates. Darth Sexy said he could pwn in a debate even if he was mentally retarded because I said he was a Level C debator. 😂

All the people who I have seen, and who I consider good are:

Zephiel7
Escape81/Gideon
Advent (duh)
Lightsnake
Darth Sexy
Kadesh
Darth Subjekt
Sw_LeGend
darthsith19
ACStyles
(who else have I forgotten, somebody really obvious I think)

Edit: FAUNUS, Anomally, kamikz, jolljim are also very good.

LOL this is pretty much more than half the forum, but everyone who debates here are impressive. However, I have to say hands-down that Advent is the best. She's really the toughest challenge I've had here.

Am I good?

I thought I was gonna cry until you edited.....

Jk, lol, I don't debate here very often, just state some thing quickly and then don't bother! But thanks for putting me in. 😛

Yeah, you're good! Especially good when it comes to Obi-Wan and Quinlan from what I know. 😛

LOL I felt bad about the edit. I knew I was missing somebody important and good.

You are good in threads that just involve sense and you can debate that very well. Aren't you very good at Video Game Character Vs. Forum?

As Darth Sexy says, "we debate especially good for characters we like."

Quinlan Vos is my #1 character. Obi-Wan is #2. (Pardon my modesty) I think I'm very good at Quinlan Vos threads.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, that doesn't put Bane above Vader, but neither does "Well styles proved Vader>Bane so it stands". THATS illogical bias. It would be a good debate because both are very powerful characters, but Vader, for all of his power, is still limited because of his armor.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

On the level of escape? Are you shitting me? You must have missed Monday's debate. Go ahead and read it before you make ridiculous comparisons. I wouldn't put him anywhere near Escape, nor Zephiel, despite of his bias towards the KOTOR.

Ds im still trying to find a proper render for your sig, you said revan right? Just PM me of what backgrounds you want cuz im not that creative unless some one tells me to do something

Originally posted by General Kenobl
This brings back nostalgia. I remember the classic Debating Level argument I had, where literally the whole forum started ranking each other in debates. Darth Sexy said he could pwn in a debate even if he was mentally retarded because I said he was a Level C debator. 😂

All the people who I have seen, and who I consider good are:

Zephiel7
Escape81/Gideon
Advent (duh)
Lightsnake
Darth Sexy
Kadesh
Darth Subjekt
Sw_LeGend
darthsith19
ACStyles
(who else have I forgotten, somebody really obvious I think)

Edit: FAUNUS, Anomally, kamikz, jolljim are also very good.

LOL this is pretty much more than half the forum, but everyone who debates here are impressive. However, I have to say hands-down that Advent is the best. She's really the toughest challenge I've had here.

Am I good?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Sorry, doesnt change the fact yoda > revan, accept it son, Move on. There apparantly is something called the jedi archives, and everything about revan was in there unless you want to prove the fact that it was erased from the archives which of course didnt happen, by the way, there was nothing special that revan.

And Revan's legacy played a very vital role in re-shaping of Sith Order as shown in POD Novel. If he is not special then I don't think that their is something special about Yoda or Sidious either.

Also Revan's Sith knowledge was never known to Yoda because his holocron was hidden in the Ancient Rakatan Temple in Lehon planet and was destroyed by Darth Bane. So I don't understand that how did Revan's details reached Jedi Archives? Stop making shit up! boy!

Originally posted by Kadesh
By the way, books have stated that yoda has a defence to every dark side technique, im sorry but revan can never touch him. try again

Sorry, POTD stated that yoda knew a defence to every dark side technique you fail again, you see? You are attempting to state revan > yoda

And I am not stating that Revan > Yoda. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Idiot and it was before luke was born, do you know how to read?

The correct statement should be that Luke is the strongest foe of the darkness. So better correct your knowledge.

Originally posted by Kadesh
i knew you would bring up this shit, apparantly he exerted less effort than he did to that crane

Originally posted by Kadesh
So? He still lifted a mountain? Quit repeating shit that yoda had to use 2 hands, does that make him weak? His concentration was focused on Dooku, and out of nowhere dooku threw an enexpected attack, and it was on anakin and obi wan, and yoda and to shift his concentration in a small amount of time, get my point now?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Lol your arrogance blinds you, apparantly the pod was thrown at him at very fast speeds and he stopped it instantly, again size matters not the last time i checked it try again!

Originally posted by Kadesh
I dont have to, several sources already pointed out that Yoda > revan. Do you know what a foe of dark ness means? It means the jedi, and revan became a foe of darkness. And apparantly yoda was stated to be the most powerful foe of darkness until luke came out, accept it, shut up and move on