Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Get over yourself , nobody was bashing youI simply was curious as to why the two of you were spending more time dissin each other rather than discussing the topic. Don't be a hypocrite 👇
whatever. please, ive had enough baby copout games in the religion forum for one day. just remember:
bash me if you wish. just quit looking for someone's approval/validation in doing so. it makes you come off as sycophantic and spineless.
Originally posted by PVS
whatever. please, ive had enough baby copout games in the religion forum for one day. just remember:bash me if you wish. just quit looking for someone's approval/validation in doing so. it makes you come off as sycophantic and spineless.
Why are you SUCH an angry person?
I've decided to stop dissing you a LONG TIME AGO, because you, for one, can't take a joke, and secondly you take things so personal that in response you sink to low and insensitive attacks on people.
I don't need to bash you, any more than I already had in the past. I don't need another to validate it, I've engaged in enough insult fests with you to care any further....
The funny thing is that you and I are usually on the SAME SIDE of every issue, yet we spend more time insulting each other than actually engaging in conversation.
I have no problem with you, personally, and I couldn't care less for your worthless attacks on me, but I can't fathom why you would ever tell Shaky to "stfu" or diss him in ne way....
Originally posted by Thundar
But you still haven't really acknowledged who's responsible for keeping the fire going. Nor have you acknowledged that Hell is not eternal.[EDIT]
i dont know dude, maybe i just dont have a proper grasp on what 'eternity' means. i though, in my pathetic little mind, that eternity meant 'for ever and ever'.
i guess i am mistaken.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Yeah, he doesn't like me either.......Heaven only knows why...... 🙄The Bible speaks of forever and ever, but also Sodom and Gomorrah was to burn forever, and also Samuel was to be with (forgot his name) forever.........soooooooo forever really doesn't mean forever.
I love how the Bible will use words, but not use thier "true meaning"
Maybe I should argue that when St. Paul said Male homosexuality is an abomination, that he really meant its "sacred 🙄
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why are you [b]SUCH an angry person?I've decided to stop dissing you a LONG TIME AGO, because you, for one, can't take a joke, and secondly you take things so personal that in response you sink to low and insensitive attacks on people.
I don't need to bash you, any more than I already had in the past. I don't need another to validate it, I've engaged in enough insult fests with you to care any further....
The funny thing is that you and I are usually on the SAME SIDE of every issue, yet we spend more time insulting each other than actually engaging in conversation.
I have no problem with you, personally, and I couldn't care less for your worthless attacks on me, but I can't fathom why you would ever tell Shaky to "stfu" or diss him in ne way.... [/B]
i always love when people post lengthy insulting diatribes and declare that they are above bashing.
also, i told shaky to stfu because he was patronising by implying that im incapable of research. of course you cant see that because you're being, as i said, sycophantic and spineless. at least thats how you come off on here, as i woudnt presume(nor want) to know you in your day to day life
Originally posted by PVS
i always love when people post lengthy insulting diatribes and declare that they are above bashing. also, i told shaky to stfu because he was being a patronising pecker by implying that im incapable of research. of course you cant see that because you're being, as i said, sycophantic and spineless.
droolio
P.S. I didn't insult you.....what is your obsession with conflict ? 😬
Originally posted by Storm
Feel free to continue your conversation via PM gentlemen.
There's no point. And I don't care enough to find out the answer, I will leave him to sulk in his own frustration.
Originally posted by Thundar
But you still haven't really acknowledged who's responsible for keeping the fire going. Nor have you acknowledged that Hell is not eternal.
According to the Bible, Hell is a place that GOD administers as punishment for our sins...without God's decree, there is no Hell....without God's decree there is no punishment.
Therefore, God is responsible for keeping the fires burning, not us. The argument that we make God do these things is laughable and a contradiction to his supposed omnipotence.
Originally posted by PVS
i dont know dude, maybe i just dont have a proper grasp on what 'eternity' means. i though, in my pathetic little mind, that eternity meant 'for ever and ever'.i guess i am mistaken.
Yes you are. The point being made with the wood-fire metaphor was that the sinner themselves keeps the "fire" going, and they are responsable for the length of time it consumes them..or as it is written.
Corinthians 2 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
So Good or bad, each person will receive back exactly what they have given, for whatever duration of time they administered these good deeds or sins.
The other misunderstanding you are making is about Hell being eternal. I believe this misunderstanding is based on your belief of the lake of fire being synonomous with Hell. Nothing could be further from the truth, and as its already been demonstrated, there is nothing scriptural to support this assertion.
I will admit however, that the scripture does allude to the lake of fire being eternal in the verse that you've provided. I do believe that the lake of fire in this context is used to represent the ultimate punishment of "eternal death" suffered by all of those who reject Christ.
That being stated, my point has been well made within this thread many times, and I think its rather pointless for me to continue repeating it. I recommend that you read the verses in question again as well as study the etymologies of the words being used within them, to get a better understanding of what's been presented.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
There's no point. And I don't care enough to find out the answer, I will leave him to sulk in his own frustration.
i dont recall her suggesting that you throw in a last minute public jab.
anyway:
"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
it simply and bluntly declares that they will suffer continuously for all eternity.
i dont understand how it could be any more clear than that.
Originally posted by PVS
i dont recall her suggesting that you throw in a last minute public jab.anyway:
"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. [b]And they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever
."it simply and bluntly declares that they will suffer continuously for all eternity.
i dont understand how it could be any more clear than that. [/B]
But it says nothing about any body other then the beast, the false prophet and the devil. What I got from people is that we will burn in hell forever. Is there any scripture for that?
PVS:
The two verses you mentioned speak only of the beast, the false prophet and the devil being cast into the fire. However, the Greek phrase translated as forever and ever is 'eis pasas tas geneas tou aionos ton aionon' which indicates several ages, but not forever. Taking into consideration the rest of the Bible, we know that this fire eventually consumes. The word eternal is never used in the original text.
Originally posted by PVS
i dont know dude, maybe i just dont have a proper grasp on what 'eternity' means. i though, in my pathetic little mind, that eternity meant 'for ever and ever'.i guess i am mistaken.
kthxbye
Originally posted by FeceMan
You would be more accurate in saying that you lack a firm grasp of the Bible as a whole.
perhaps i do...in fact im certain of it considering when viewed as a whole its a self contradicting trainwreck...but no matter.
"for ever and ever" is what i read, so "for ever and ever" is how i accept it.
mistranslation between languages? perhaps. wouldnt be a surprise to me.
however i work with what we're given. what we're given is "for ever and ever".
surely god would have forseen such a conundrum when he wrote the bible
oh and nell, thanks for shedding some light on this possibility. its nice to see someone actively trying to solve a problem rather than trying to dodge it.
Originally posted by FeceMan
You are correct in that you lack a firm grasp of the meaning of "eternity." At least, in how the Greeks spoke. And, look, Nellinator was kind enough to point it out.kthxbye
kthxbye? no, you didnt earn the right to post a 'kthxbye'.
in fact all your 2 posts amount to is pretty much "me too"
next time dont be so premature with your pwnage, k?