Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Oh yea, another example. I love the way Whites try to justify slavery by bring up uncited stats, or saying other people are slaves too, including White people. White slaves? Never seen or heard of it. White European or American slaves. ROTFLMAO.I heard one time that racism was invented by Whites in order to preserve White supremacy.
Yeah, but you also heard that you are a ****ing racist. Why do you believe the one over the other?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Oh yea, another example. I love the way Whites try to justify slavery by bring up uncited stats, or saying other people are slaves too, including White people. White slaves? Never seen or heard of it. White European or American slaves. ROTFLMAO.I heard one time that racism was invented by Whites in order to preserve White supremacy.
Well, first of all, I'm not sure about it, but I don't think lil_b is white (just guessing based on the fact that she's from India).
Other people being slaves doesn't justify it, nobody's trying to do that, but you just simply can't believe that your people are the only ones who have ever been enslaved. Yeah, you live in a civilized (for the most part) First World Nation, so of course you haven't seen any kind of slavery, if you haven't heard of any non black slavery, though, you must've lived in a hole all your life.
Racism has been around for a long time before the idea of "white supremacy" ever existed, and possibly before whites and blacks even had come in contact with one another.
I'm too lazy to go look up a link or anything to present-day slavery, but hopefully someone else will so that you can face facts and admit that you're wrong.
Seriously, before you try to debate a point, at least have some knowledge of it first.
Originally posted by TBJ
Well, first of all, I'm not sure about it, but I don't think lil_b is white (just guessing based on the fact that she's from India).Other people being slaves doesn't justify it, nobody's trying to do that, but you just simply can't believe that your people are the only ones who have ever been enslaved. Yeah, you live in a civilized (for the most part) First World Nation, so of course you haven't seen any kind of slavery, if you haven't heard of any non black slavery, though, you must've lived in a hole all your life.
Racism has been around for a long time before the idea of "white supremacy" ever existed, and possibly before whites and blacks even had come in contact with one another.
I'm too lazy to go look up a link or anything to present-day slavery, but hopefully someone else will so that you can face facts and admit that you're wrong.
Seriously, before you try to debate a point, at least have some knowledge of it first.
Yes. Slavery does exist but for it to have happened in the "Land of the Free"? I mean c'mon. That was hypocritical of Whites to say wasn't it? To call people 3/4 animals. Rape and rip families apart for centuries. followed by 100 years (1865-1965) of segregation/discrimination/racism/humiliation and violence dished out primarily by Whites in the U.S. "the land of the Free". Separate water fountain for Whites and Blacks? Getting arrested for not giving up your seat to a White man? This was a law. There were people sentenced to death for looking at a black woman.....And the stuff still goes on today. It's just hidden. Some get caught like Imus and Kramer but it's there. Behind closed doors. Behind closed minds.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yes. Slavery does exist but for it to have happened in the "Land of the Free"? I mean c'mon. That was hypocritical of Whites to say wasn't it? To call people 3/4 animals. Rape and rip families apart for centuries. followed by 100 years (1865-1965) of segregation/discrimination/racism/humiliation and violence dished out primarily by Whites in the U.S. "the land of the Free". Separate water fountain for Whites and Blacks? Getting arrested for not giving up your seat to a White man? This was a law. There were people sentenced to death for looking at a black woman.....And the stuff still goes on today. It's just hidden. Some get caught like Imus and Kramer but it's there. Behind closed doors. Behind closed minds.
Ok then, so you admit you're wrong on the first point. Good, we're getting somewhere. I'll agree with you, in the 1800's, Britain and France were much more like "a land of the free" than America. I'm not sure what you mean, call people 3/4 animals, all humans are animals. Perhaps you meant they were considered "property," which is a far more accurate term.
Whereas I am aware of water fountains and buses, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone being put to death for looking at anyone else, maybe a jail sentence at most. Correct me with a link there, if you can so provide one. But that does not occur today, or, when it does, you hear a hell of a lot about it, Imus being a point in case.
While I agree what Imus was wrong in what he said, I don't believe he should've been fired for it (Yeah, I know the advertisers pulled out, but still.) It was a comment against white women just as much as black women, though. "Ho" is offensive whether you're a yellow woman or a purple woman. Anyway, though, this is a debate for another thread.
Originally posted by TBJ
Ok then, so you admit you're wrong on the first point. Good, we're getting somewhere. I'll agree with you, in the 1800's, Britain and France were much more like "a land of the free" than America. I'm not sure what you mean, call people 3/4 animals, all humans are animals. Perhaps you meant they were considered "property," which is a far more accurate term.Whereas I am aware of water fountains and buses, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone being put to death for looking at anyone else, maybe a jail sentence at most. Correct me with a link there, if you can so provide one. But that does not occur today, or, when it does, you hear a hell of a lot about it, Imus being a point in case.
While I agree what Imus was wrong in what he said, I don't believe he should've been fired for it (Yeah, I know the advertisers pulled out, but still.) It was a comment against white women just as much as black women, though. "Ho" is offensive whether you're a yellow woman or a purple woman. Anyway, though, this is a debate for another thread.
Nope. I didn't admit anything. You're the one who's wrong in your justifications.
And you've never heard of a Black man getting killed over looking at a White woman? Ever heard of 15 year old Emmit Till? Who was tortured to death by Whites "for breaking the law" because it was thought that this young kid whistled at a White woman? His face was unrecognizable yet he had an open casket, but such a case isn't really "talked about" cause "it passed". b.s.
And "Ho" may've been general but not nappy.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Nope. I didn't admit anything. You're the one who's wrong in your justifications.And you've never heard of a Black man getting killed over looking at a White woman? Ever heard of 15 year old Emmit Till? Who was tortured to death by Whites "for breaking the law" because it was thought that this young kid whistled at a White woman? His face was unrecognizable yet he had an open casket, but such a case isn't really "talked about" cause "it passed". b.s.
And "Ho" may've been general but not nappy.
Yes, I believe you said earlier that slavery didn't exist today, perhaps I was wrong. "Whistling" and "looking" aren't the same thing. Name a murder from back then that we do "talk about." True, but there were white girls on the Rutgers basketball team, it wasn't all black.
Originally posted by TBJ
"Whistling" and "looking" aren't the same thing. Name a murder from back then that we do "talk about." True, but there were white girls on the Rutgers basketball team, it wasn't all black.
Whistling and/or looking at a White woman was considered the same thing. According to the law both are basically trying to courtfully attain attention of a woman, out of many way that attaining her attention can be done.
Both whistling and/or looking at a White woman was a crime and both way meant death by a White mob and/or the gov't.
Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthA dead president who did what was considered the norm in his day upsets you?
It's sucks how Whites tell Blacks to forget slavery happened.Like "it passed, get over it. You shouldn't be affected by it."
Fcuk outta here, man. I don't wanna hear that sh*t. How about forgetting 9/11. They want slavery to forgotten because it was their race that held Black slaves in the U.S. and it makes them look like sh*t. But how can one forget when we have the face of slave-masters/U.S. presidents on the money we spent. G.Washington, yes the WASP on the dollar bill, was a slave owner who owned Blacks.
We're reminded of slavery everyday by them. And you still have the ongoing racism still being practiced on Blacks, still happening today.
It's crazy.
Are you a child?
Originally posted by Tangible God
A dead president who did what was considered the norm in his day upsets you?Are you a child?
No. I'm not. Although I think you might be if you think that "norm" was right.
If it's not right than it's not normal. Why just because alot of people practiced it. w/e.
Was being a hypocrite in those times the norm, too, with the then famous quote the "Land of the free and the home of the brave" or what about "by the people and for the people". or w/e it said.
The seal and the constitution reelected the thinking of the "founding murderers" that this was to be a nation by White people and for White people. Native Americans, Blacks and all other nonwhite people were to be the burden bearers of Whites and considered subhuman, even till this day. It's just that the constitution was twisted a century or 2 later due to White guilt, to make it sound like all American citizens.
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Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthWe consider that hypocrisy now, because that's our norm. Slavery now is cruel and unusual, as defined by our cultural norms.
No. I'm not. Although I think you might be if you think that "norm" was right.If it's not right than it's not normal. Why just because alot of people practiced it. w/e.
Was being a hypocrite in those times the norm, too, with the then famous quote the "Land of the free and the home of the brave" or what about "by the people and for the people". or w/e it said.
The seal and the constitution reelected the thinking of the "founding murderers" that this was to be a nation by White people and for White people. Native Americans, Blacks and all other nonwhite people were to be the burden bearers of Whites and considered subhuman, even till this day. It's just that the constitution was twisted a century or 2 later due to White guilt, to make it sound like all American citizens.
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Back then, slavery was just an every day part of life for most of the southern and middle colonies. It was an accepted fact, it was a profitable business, it was a norm of the time.
Will you call people evil for practicing what their society deemed normal. 200 years from now, the domestication of dogs could be looked upon as unnatural and morally wrong. Are we to blame for doing what's so Goddamn normal today?
Slavery's bad, evil, cruel, etc. We've learned from the past that we shouldn't do it. Hence, it's not done anymore. Focus your efforts on ending it in other parts of the world and stop griping over a past whose residents died generations ago. Lest we forget.
Originally posted by Tangible God
We consider that hypocrisy now, because that's our norm. Slavery now is cruel and unusual, as defined by our cultural norms.Back then, slavery was just an every day part of life for most of the southern and middle colonies. It was an accepted fact, it was a profitable business, it was a norm of the time.
Will you call people evil for practicing what their society deemed normal. 200 years from now, the domestication of dogs could be looked upon as unnatural and morally wrong. Are we to blame for doing what's so Goddamn normal today?
Slavery's bad, evil, cruel, etc. We've learned from the past that we shouldn't do it. Hence, it's not done anymore. Focus your efforts on ending it in other parts of the world and stop griping over a past whose residents died generations ago. Lest we forget.
I like the idea of focusing my efforts on ending slavery in other parts of the world but i'm also realistic. I'm only one person, the only person i know, at least, that's as passionate. I know there are others but I've seen the effect they've had on the issue and i's never that significant. So what effect will just i have on those millions of people. I wouldn't even know where to start. And i'm not a public speaking expert. All I have is the passion.
I could definitely see it as a calling, though.
Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthVote for Obama I guess.
I like the idea of focusing my efforts on ending slavery in other parts of the world but i'm also realistic. I'm only one person, the only person i know, at least, that's as passionate. I know there are others but I've seen the effect they've had on the issue and i's never that significant. So what effect will just i have on those millions of people. I wouldn't even know where to start. And i'm not a public speaking expert. All I have is the passion.I could definitely see it as a calling, though.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Vote for Obama I guess.
haha why cause he's Black and most of the slaves are Black in this planet and you think he could do something about it cause he will have the power to do so as President of the U.S? Hmm. Something to ponder but na.. I would only imagine at what cost he would go about it. Besides, I could never lean towards his partys' way. Liberals, to me, are nutjobs.
If i may chime in on this discussion and state a point of fact regarding slavery in the Americas and the trans-Atlantic slave trade itself. OF the millions and millions of Africans that were taken from their homeland, crossed the Atlantic, and forced to work in one of the European colonies in either North or South America: ONLY 6% OF THOSE AFRICANS actually ended up in Britain's American colonies, the colonies that would eventually became the original 13 states.
The overwhelming majority of African slaves ended up in either present Brazil or the hundreds of plantations scattered throughout the Caribbean. Yet African-American slavery is an anomaly because it was the only region of the Americas where the slave population actually increased. Everywhere else the African population went down.
And one last thing, for the most brutal and tragic genocide of a people I'd actually have to say the millions of Russians who died under Stalin. One of the few dictators in recent history who actually turned AGAINST his own people rather against another group of people.
Originally posted by History Buff
If i may chime in on this discussion and state a point of fact regarding slavery in the Americas and the trans-Atlantic slave trade itself. OF the millions and millions of Africans that were taken from their homeland, crossed the Atlantic, and forced to work in one of the European colonies in either North or South America: ONLY 6% OF THOSE AFRICANS actually ended up in Britain's American colonies, the colonies that would eventually became the original 13 states.The overwhelming majority of African slaves ended up in either present Brazil or the hundreds of plantations scattered throughout the Caribbean. Yet African-American slavery is an anomaly because it was the only region of the Americas where the slave population actually increased. Everywhere else the African population went down.
And one last thing, for the most brutal and tragic genocide of a people I'd actually have to say the millions of Russians who died under Stalin. One of the few dictators in recent history who actually turned AGAINST his own people rather against another group of people.
Slavery was still awfully wrong. Stop trying to justify African-American slavery by using comparisons that try to make such a horrible thing happen seem less horrible.. Just ever owning even one slave in the U.S. was and is horribly wrong.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Slavery was still awfully wrong. Stop trying to justify African-American slavery by using comparisons that try to make such a horrible thing happen seem less horrible.. Just ever owning even one slave in the U.S. was and is horribly wrong.
Was horribly wrong, it doesn't happen anymore. You can't blame people now a days for what happened before they were even born. Yeah it was bad. You don't see Europeans being pissed at Italy because they had European (meaning white) slaves now do you?
Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthWho's trying to justify it? We just want you to stop making the American slave-trade out as THE worst out of all slavery's history.
Slavery was still awfully wrong. Stop trying to justify African-American slavery by using comparisons that try to make such a horrible thing happen seem less horrible.. Just ever owning even one slave in the U.S. was and is horribly wrong.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Who's trying to justify it? We just want you to stop making the American slave-trade out as THE worst out of all slavery's history.
I'm not making African-American the worst of all world slaveries, you're saying that. I have in no way mentioned absolutely no other country as a comparison to how much worse African-American slavery was.
Think about what you're going to write first before typing it down and posting nonsense the next time.