Originally posted by Jyppe
Hardest part to hit? Not really no. Everytime Wolverine got a shot in Gorgon he could have hit his head instead. Of course it's not certain wether he would have hit him, but it's worth the shot. Especially when nothing else seemed to work. He didn't even try!And where do they state that Gorgon's faster than a tought, 30 m/s?
yes, wolverine's cis was highly suspect in that fight.
Originally posted by jinzin
venom has thrown a van accross an island with one hand.. doesn't make him class 100...
and her covering the distance was by way of hopping.. spiderman's done as much the same..k, see this is why i asked about her upgrades.. what feats does she have to support that she's far better off now?
spiderman was upgraded not once, not twice, but thrice, still doesn't mean he can take cap in a straight h2h... by his own admission...that's why i'm not arguing for him to be able to deflect it, I'm simply arguing that he has the reflexive ability to see it and react to it accordingly.
And the effects of her upgrade where demonstrated when she stood toe to toe with Ronan. At the time, he had taken his "Universal Weapon" to a higher level than he ever had against Thor or Surfer.
Originally posted by jinzin
sigh... okay... do we assume that sasquatch is just going to go all taneraq on people in fights on the boards?do we assume that thor is going to go warrior madness?
no.. why? cause it's not their typical style...
...and?... he did a poor job, his entire argument relies on giving her the benefit of the doubt.
Well, if you want to play it that way, then she's not throwing blind anyways, which gives her a much better advantage.
After all, it's not Gorgon's usual style to turn every enemy he sees into stone. He only did it with Wolverine at the very end of the fight.
My argument used common sense. She's just as fast as him. She's stronger then him. She's more skilled then him. And, as you've successfully pointed out, she won't be throwing blind.
Take into account also that despite his TP advantage, the guy still go hit alot. Also, having never battled Gamora before, he has no idea that the Godslayer is as powerful as it is. He didn't mind getting hit in the face with rockets... I doubt he'll dodge for what he considers to be a plain dagger.
Originally posted by jinzin
venom has thrown a van accross an island with one hand.. doesn't make him class 100...
and her covering the distance was by way of hopping.. spiderman's done as much the same..k, see this is why i asked about her upgrades.. what feats does she have to support that she's far better off now?
spiderman was upgraded not once, not twice, but thrice, still doesn't mean he can take cap in a straight h2h... by his own admission...that's why i'm not arguing for him to be able to deflect it, I'm simply arguing that he has the reflexive ability to see it and react to it accordingly.
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I wouldn't tell you that hopping made her extremley fast. I WOULD tell you that covering at least twenty feet (probably more) and charging Ronan with enough speed to send him flying into the air ALL before he could react (it's not like he should have been dazed, he has superhuman durability) was pretty fast.
In addition, pre-upgrade she took down an entire army platoon, with an overwhelming amount of soldiers, as well as military vehicles like multiple tanks and such, in 8 minutes.
And that was BEFORE her 'cosmic makeover'
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok this is what I think. I have not seen the scans of the fight between Wolverine, Elektra and Gorgon. From what I have read Elektra was like a non factor and beaten very quickly, Wolverine then took him down himself.So basically Gorgon can be beaten by Wolverine one on one.
Gamora has owned Ronan The Accuser and Terrax.
Wolverine has fought The Hulk but even then as far as I know he has never beaten The Hulk, apart from that how many other class 100ers has Wolverine beaten, as far as I know none.
Gamora has[B] owned
Ronan and Terrax.Gamora beats Gorgon 8/10 [/B]
se this is exactly why you need to read the comics before commenting about them alfeim...
okay look, wolverine showed up with elektra, with level 5 sheild agents, and tons of backup.. he also blew the shit out of gorgon with two rockets that leveled his home before the fight started.. everyone that attacked him was ALSO wearing psy blockers to counter his TP, the only way wolverine won was by using gorgons stare against himself.. which is also highly suspect to cis.. so no wolverine can't take him 1 on 1... not by way of proof at least.
wolverine has dropped hulk in wolvie 145, he won through use of plot device in hulk 8, scored a one hit KO in incredible hulk 345, and fought him to a stalemate in incredible hulk 455.
wolverine has also taken down,
ba'al a mesopotamian demon-god (killed)
hercules (KOed)
kierrok an N'garai demon god who owned collosus. (killed and KOed)
abomination (KOed)
tiger shark (KOed)
namor (KOed)
numerous variants of wendigo (KOed)
other bricks he's taken it to include:
roughouse (KOed)
thing (KOed)
death's head II (win by decision, we would have killed death's head by death's head's own admission)
rogue (stalemate, while he was using fists only)
warpath (was winning by disicion before distraction)
brood enduced rogue (stalemating again, and holding back.. again)
Multitudes of 3rd generation sentinals (the kind that took it to colosus)
and owned?
no... us agent own ronin (apparently)...
she stalemated him... at best...
terrax... he wasn't even fighting at full capacity, he was outside his mind during that fight.. 😕
Originally posted by darthgoober
Has Venom ever been labeled as having Ironman's level of strength by a UN specialist?(And that was before her upgrade).And the effects of her upgrade where demonstrated when she stood toe to toe with Ronan. At the time, he had taken his "Universal Weapon" to a higher level than he ever had against Thor or Surfer.
😂 because suddenly the UN know everything there is to know about super's right? 🙄
Again, she's showed what? decent strength levels, good durability, and good fighting skill....
anything about hightened speed in combat? no
anything about enhanced healing factor? nope...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Well, if you want to play it that way, then she's not throwing blind anyways, which gives her a much better advantage.After all, it's not Gorgon's usual style to turn every enemy he sees into stone. He only did it with Wolverine at the very end of the fight.
My argument used common sense. She's just as fast as him. She's stronger then him. She's more skilled then him. And, as you've successfully pointed out, she won't be throwing blind.
Take into account also that despite his TP advantage, the guy still go hit alot. Also, having never battled Gamora before, he has no idea that the Godslayer is as powerful as it is. He didn't mind getting hit in the face with rockets... I doubt he'll dodge for what he considers to be a plain dagger.
actually he did it to two groups of shield soldiers AND wolverine.. so that's 75% of his fights that he uses it in...
so much for that theory...
and if she's not fighting blind then she's stone..
common sense? no.. benefit of the doubt is not common sense..
He didn't kow rockets were coming... psy blockers....
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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
😬I wouldn't tell you that hopping made her extremley fast. I WOULD tell you that covering at least twenty feet (probably more) and charging Ronan with enough speed to send him flying into the air ALL before he could react (it's not like he should have been dazed, he has superhuman durability) was pretty fast.
In addition, pre-upgrade she took down an entire army platoon, with an overwhelming amount of soldiers, as well as military vehicles like multiple tanks and such, in 8 minutes.
And that was BEFORE her 'cosmic makeover'
she wasn't CLOSE to 20 feet away... 😬
5 tops.. not superspeed.
the army feat is a non feat.. 60 soldiers and a couple of tanks in 8 minutes is hardly impressive.
Originally posted by jinzin
she wasn't CLOSE to 20 feet away... 😬5 tops.. not superspeed.
the army feat is a non feat.. 60 soldiers and a couple of tanks in 8 minutes is hardly impressive.
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I was reffering to the entire distance that she punched him
He has superhuman durability, and he only had time to raise his head and say a few words when she had already crossed that entire distance, and then hit him fast enough to send him flying.
But, looking back, your right, it's not twenty feet...
It's more like fifty. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
common sense? no.. benefit of the doubt is not common sense..He didn't kow rockets were coming... psy blockers....
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Explain to me how that's benefit of the doubt... 😬
And it wasn't just the rockets, obviously. Wolverine's torn at him with the claws while they were fighting, and if he's as fast and as good as you claim, that really shouldn't have happen. He just didn't care very much. If it's a measly dagger, he's not going to move...
Originally posted by jinzin
😂 because suddenly the UN know everything there is to know about super's right? 🙄Again, she's showed what? decent strength levels, good durability, and good fighting skill....
anything about hightened speed in combat? no
anything about enhanced healing factor? nope...
As much as you try to downplay the abilities of Gamora, the fact of the matter is that the Gorgon has done nothing to indicate that he's anywhere near her level. Where is your proof that he is?
Originally posted by jinzin
anything about hightened speed in combat? no
Pre-upgrade, she fought alone in the middle a HUGE mob of brutal aliens (many of whom had guns). Meanwhile Thanos was shooting at her
And none of them could touch her...
In addition, she always has her long range beam-attack that she got post-upgrade. It made Ronan stumble backwards-it's definitley going to do some damage to Gorgon, stall him even for a second which is all she needs to use Godslayer
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
😬I was reffering to the entire distance that she punched him
He has superhuman durability, and he only had time to raise his head and say a few words when she had already crossed that entire distance, and then hit him fast enough to send him flying.
But, looking back, your right, it's not twenty feet...
It's more like fifty. 😐
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she jumped to his location after throwning him... a feat of strength? sure... speed? no...
when she began running to blitze him was 5 feet away.. 😐
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Explain to me how that's benefit of the doubt... 😬And it wasn't just the rockets, obviously. Wolverine's torn at him with the claws while they were fighting, and if he's as fast and as good as you claim, that really shouldn't have happen. He just didn't care very much. If it's a measly dagger, he's not going to move...
as i stated before him being struck is highly suspect...
however wolverine has level 9 psy blockers, he's also highly resistant to telepath's in fights anyway...
ex:mr x arch, the villian rapture, jean gray in the danger room... 😐
not to mention the fact that every time wolverine struck gorgon he got stuck with a blade in him, gorgon was bating him...
I mean common the guy wasn't even touched by elektra offensively, and he speedblitzed wolverine before wolverine could even get a lock on him...
He's fast enough to dodge, he's good enough to dodge (remember he trained blindfolded in sword play BEFORE he was ressurrected by the hand), and he has the TP for reassurance......
as for the ben of the doubt.... you're saying she's faster.. and she's better... it's most certainly the benefit of the doubt.. her feats of speed have been duplicated and replicated by every streeter and their grandma, her feats of skill are against opponents who don't even stack up to kitty pride in the fighting ability department...
before that you were implying she was going to win with kicks and punches when rockets don't work on him. that she would effect him with nerve strikes when he's an undead character.... and that she's herald level because she beat up terrax who wasn't in his right mind... BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
Originally posted by darthgoober
A UN solder thats been to sent to take on a group of metahumans SHOULD have some understanding about the relative strength levels of superhumans in general, yes.As much as you try to downplay the abilities of Gamora, the fact of the matter is that the Gorgon has done nothing to indicate that he's anywhere near her level. Where is your proof that he is?
about as much as say... the marvel directory? cause we've seen how much they know.. 🙄
another argument for the benefit of the doubt....
He clobbered logan, a guy who's kept gamora at bay in battle....
he did it inspite of having his abilities negated, inspite of logan being upgraded by shield tech, in spite of logan showing up with multitudes of backup, in spite of them landing a sneak attack, and finally, IN SPITE of blasting him with 2 rockets.. 😐
gamora's been planted by maxam, a guy who stated he couldn't take herc in a straight fight, herc, who's lost to wolverine....
there's at least two semi decent reasons right there....
better then "gamora's herald level" at least.. pffft.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Pre-upgrade, she fought alone in the middle a HUGE mob of brutal aliens (many of whom had guns). Meanwhile Thanos was shooting at herAnd none of them could touch her...
In addition, she always has her long range beam-attack that she got post-upgrade. It made Ronan stumble backwards-it's definitley going to do some damage to Gorgon, stall him even for a second which is all she needs to use Godslayer
speedfeat? no...
elektra killed over 1000 ninjas without being touched, batman's fought mobs of mutants and the entire jla in gorilla form without being touched, cap stomped an attempted prison riot without being touched... 😐
superspeed?
and how do you know that's going to effect him?
Enough of all of this. All I'm doing is HEARING about Gorgon. Let's see some scans of his feats, and we'll see if it's as easy to nitpick them as some people are trying to do with Gamora's. Cause the only reasoning at this point as to why Gorgon should win, is that Gamora's feats aren't all they're cracked up to be. So someone show me what Gorgon's done, and we'll see if they compare.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Enough of all of this. All I'm doing is HEARING about Gorgon. Let's see some scans of his feats, and we'll see if it's as easy to nitpick them as some people are trying to do with Gamora's. Cause the only reasoning at this point as to why Gorgon should win, is that Gamora's feats aren't all they're cracked up to be. So someone show me what Gorgon's done, and we'll see if they compare.
don't have a scanner..
(*stands on sidelines till further notice)
Originally posted by darthgoober
Enough of all of this. All I'm doing is HEARING about Gorgon. Let's see some scans of his feats, and we'll see if it's as easy to nitpick them as some people are trying to do with Gamora's. Cause the only reasoning at this point as to why Gorgon should win, is that Gamora's feats aren't all they're cracked up to be. So someone show me what Gorgon's done, and we'll see if they compare.
also, i really don't think you're understanding here... gorgon doesn't have to be as good, strong or fast as her. he only needs to land one hit and the fights relatively in his advantage...
Originally posted by jinzin
also, i really don't think you're understanding here... gorgon doesn't have to be as good, strong or fast as her. he only needs to land one hit and the fights relatively in his advantage...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Except that the same goes the other way also. All she needs is one opening to slice him to pieces. And given her superior overall abilities, that opening should present itself without to much problem.
Gorgon is at massive advantage in that he can take Gamora's attack head on for the sole purposes of getting in side her guard and delivering his own. It is an almost unstoppable offence for people like Gorgon (or Wolverine and Deadpool), who can take potentially fatal wounds with out serious repercussions, and allows them to overcome faster and more skilled opponents. When you consider that Gorgon has demonstrated superior speed and coordination compared to Gamora that only heightens his edge.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gorgon is at massive advantage in that he can take Gamora's attack head on for the sole purposes of getting in side her guard and delivering his own. It is an almost unstoppable offence for people like Gorgon (or Wolverine and Deadpool), who can take potentially fatal wounds with out serious repercussions, and allows them to overcome faster and more skilled opponents. When you consider that Gorgon has deminstated superior speed and corrordination compared to Gamora that only heightens his edge.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Has he ever survived decapitation? Or has he ever demonstrated the ability to instantly regrow limbs when they've been severed?
Assuming his heals at a comparable rate to mid 90's Wolverine (whos healing factor was clocked at healing a bullet wound 1 milimeter behind the bullet) I imagine that if his arm/head was severed the wound would heal behind the path of the sword/dagger.