Originally posted by darthgoober
Except that the same goes the other way also. All she needs is one opening to slice him to pieces. And given her superior overall abilities, that opening should present itself without to much problem.
slice him to pieces? elektra and wolverine failed to do so at the same time... but she's going to? 🤨
I hate debating by PM...
Originally posted by jinzin
how are they not actual reason? simply because they are not infavor of your character, doesn't mean they are not actual reasons, you've stated that taking out 60 men and a couple of tanks accross a couple hundred yards in eight minutes is a display of superspeed... it's not...(moving faster then people can see, anticipate, or even comprehend... being fired at and grabbing a soldier to use as a sheild after being fired at but before the bullets even hit, moving so fast that one can block the exit of a bullet from the berral after the trigger's already been pulled and the hammers hit, dispatching of a skin tight body suit from an opponent so fast and so thorogh they don't even think they've been touched, slicing a gun in half spinning and elbowing someone in the face before the peice as even begun to drop)... all of thse are displays that are actually permisable as evidence that superspeed of sorts is a part of the character.. none of the character's that performed these feats have superspeed...
Originally posted by jinzin
see the thing is, every thing you've stated for her speed, someone else has done... someone at street level.. meaning: she doesn't have superspeed..
Originally posted by jinzin
the only evidence of her healing factor and how effecient it is comes from hyporbole...unreasonable to assume any different.
Originally posted by jinzin
and no wolverine does not have superspeed comparatively... that's been my point..
Originally posted by jinzin
and again are you honestly implying that wolverine's damage from earlier had no effect on his ability to take damage later on?
Originally posted by jinzin
thing is wolverine's taken a shot to the stomach from silver samurai and punched him in the gut for it, samurai stabbed him in the stomach again and wolverine lopped off his hand, wolverine was stabbed in the stomach by a spear and just stood there having a conversation and pulled it back out in the savage land, he's taken multiple stone spikes through his back and just stood there growling, he's had a man put a lady deathstrike sized hand through his stomach entirely and just cut it off while talking, he's taken automatic gunfire and mechete blows from 100 pirates, he took automatic gunfire from 100 well armed yakuza, he's had all his organs smashed to jelly by a hulk punched and healed them before hulk could land the next punch, he's had his entire lower torso blown away to a skeleton and stayed concious, his entire face blown literally off, and kept fighting... )
CLEARLY his HF supercedes her's by a fairly enormous amount, and considering the examples, clearly wolverine was mistaken in his hyperbole...
Originally posted by jinzin
it's in the entire enemy of the state arch, if you have it then why do you need someone else to post scans? 😕the more I see from you darth, the more disengenuine you appear to be.
Gamora gets stabbed in the chest? She goes down. Wolverine gets stabbed in the heart? His guard is down for half a second and Lady Deathstrike lands a fallow up attack. Wolverine wasn't even down as long as Gamora when his heart exploded. There is nothing to suggest that Gamora heals anywhere near as fast as Wolverine. All there is a throw away comment Wolverine made on her abilities. Daredevil has said that Wolverine's senses are supperior to his, no one buys that... but we are supposed to in this case because why?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gamora gets stabbed in the chest? She goes down. Wolverine gets stabbed in the heart? His guard is down for half a second and Lady Deathstrike lands a fallow up attack. Wolverine wasn't even down as long as Gamora when his heart exploded. There is nothing to suggest that Gamora heals anywhere near as fast as Wolverine. All there is a throw away comment Wolverine made on her abilities. Daredevil has said that Wolverine's senses are supperior to his, no one buys that... but we are supposed to in this case because why?
oh for the love of....
Originally posted by darthgoober
Speedblitzing a mid to high end herald level character IS an indication of superspeed.The gravity of the Kree homeworld is higher than that of Earth, so ALL Kree are superior to humans in strength/speed/endurance.
spiderman's blitzed firelord, thor, silver surfer.. he's got superspeed?
(well kinda but against other high class streeters are comparible)
hell black night's blitzed firelord..
Originally posted by darthgoober
What street leveler, has ever blitzed a herald level character with super speed?
and again.. spiderman... 😐
black night..
(i may be mistaken but i believe nightcrawler has as well)
Originally posted by darthgoober
So we no longer accept Wolverine's assessments of his abilities? Ok...
it wasn't an assessment of his ability, it was an assessment of her's and it was innacurate considering the fact that he wasn['t awak to see it..
again, why are youhaving such a hard time grasping that concept?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, did you just say that Wolverine DOESN'T have superspeed?
again superspeed's relative.. to people like me and you, hell kitty pride has super speed....
relative to the comic universe?
no.. he's inhumanly fast.. but that's it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Given the amount of time that had passed, I think it's safe to assume the BLUDGEONING damage (which Wolverine fans like to say heals practically instantly) was healed, yes.
my god what don't you understand about this...?
it's like when cassandra nove burt his arm off, yes the arm healed, but it still felt like it was on fire, later on, it still hurt wolverine, it still effected him...
the more punishment wolverine takes the easier he becomes to take down... he has a healing factor but it takes it's toll on him... he needs rest and nutrients to properly replace what was damaged and get "caught up"...
Originally posted by darthgoober
So once again your saying that Wolverine isn't the proper person to gauge his abilities. Well that's good, because there's plenty that he's said about himself that I find suspect. It's nice to know that you won't be using anymore of his statements on Wolverine threads.
no, you're reading incorrectly again.. I'm saying that wolverine's not the proper person to make an assumption about SOMEONE ELSES power when he wasn't even awake to see it working...
nice try though 😉
Originally posted by darthgoober
Unless I'm mistaken, Daredevil only said that Wolverine's sense of smell was better than his, which I personally find believable. But as I said before, if the consensus is that Wolverine isn't an accurate gauge of his abilities, that cool cause I've heard of him saying plenty of things about himself that I disagree with.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine once said that Yuriko was one of the best fighters on the planet (he may have even said, second only to him but I forget)... and we all know that she isn't. More likely Wolverine just pays fruitless comments to women... how else to you think he gets laid so much?
😂
he also said that his neck could be broken.. what a silly guy..
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman's blitzed firelord, thor, silver surfer.. he's got superspeed?
(well kinda but against other high class streeters are comparible)
Originally posted by jinzin
hell black night's blitzed firelord..
Originally posted by jinzin
since when does ronin have superspeed?and again.. spiderman... 😐
black night..(i may be mistaken but i believe nightcrawler has as well)
Originally posted by jinzin
it wasn't an assessment of his ability, it was an assessment of hers and it was innacurate considering the fact that he wasn['t awak to see it..again, why are youhaving such a hard time grasping that concept?
Originally posted by jinzin
again superspeed's relative.. to people like me and you, hell kitty pride has super speed....
relative to the comic universe?
no.. he's inhumanly fast.. but that's it.
Originally posted by jinzin
my god what don't you understand about this...?
it's like when cassandra nove burt his arm off, yes the arm healed, but it still felt like it was on fire, later on, it still hurt wolverine, it still effected him...the more punishment wolverine takes the easier he becomes to take down... he has a healing factor but it takes it's toll on him... he needs rest and nutrients to properly replace what was damaged and get "caught up"...
Originally posted by jinzin
no, you're reading incorrectly again.. I'm saying that wolverine's not the proper person to make an assumption about SOMEONE ELSES power when he was even awake to see it working...
nice try though 😉
Anyway, apparently I don't have the Enemy of the State arc, so would someone who does be so knid as to post Gorgon's feats?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine once said that Yukio was one of the best fighters on the planet (he may have even said, second only to him but I forget)... and we all know that she isn't. More likely Wolverine just pays fruitless comments to women... how else to you think he gets laid so much?
Originally posted by jinzin
😂he also said that his neck could be broken.. what a silly guy..
Originally posted by capt it up
he not the only one who said it the doctor did as well. so nice try. also ti was a stated fatc by the narrator not wolverine him self
Originally posted by darthgoober
And unless I'm mistaken, those showings aren't allowed around here. In fact, don't we have a specific rule about that?
Even worse than the Spidey example.
Again, not allowed.
"i dont't like it, it must be PIS!" ;rolleyes: weak..
Originally posted by darthgoober
No it was him assessing hers as compared to his. And he was awake quickly enough to see how fast she healed from the damage in comparison to him....
it was a comparison he made about something he WASN'T CONCIOUS TO SEE, how would he know how fast it worked?
Originally posted by darthgoober
And being inhumanly fast means that he possesses superhuman speed in comparison to humans(which is what we typically guage such a thing by. So he has super speed.
superhuman speed and super speed are two different categories..
but i digress.. look if your feats of her being a super speedster are those two things then they are suspect to what all street levels can do, gorgon proved to be faster than 2 very high class streeters... is it beginning to make sense now?
Originally posted by darthgoober
So that means that Spidey should be fully capable of overloading his healing factor correct?
eventually.. i mean.. if wolverine just sits there, and spiderman gets breaks and food, and rest.. sure...
Originally posted by darthgoober
He was awake to inflict the damage, and he was awake to see her get up. That's plenty of info for anyone with half a brain.
when your knocked unconcious you don't even know how long you've been out... anyone with an omnipotent brain perhaps..
anyone with a normal brain? probably not..
again you're ignoring he wasn't awake to see it..
