Gorgon vs. Gamora

Originally posted by jinzin

again.. the fact that she'd be throwing blind and the faact that he's got the speed reflexes and the tp to know what's coming kinda help the guy out don'tcha think?

She has the speed to keep up with him, possibly even the speed advantage, so it would be much harder to follow her every move and respons, unlike for Wolverine and Elektra.

And with her speed and strength, a thrown dagger (and thrown by an expert) would have to be coming pretty DAMN fast.

In addition, it's not like he reads every thought... if he did, he wouldn't have been tricked into turning himself to stone

Alternativley, Gamora could just wear the same glasses that he always did... 😐

see i don't see her as having any speed advantage here..

what has she done that makes her have such?

wolverine and elektra were barely able to react to the guy.. that makes him faster than taskmaster, faster than spiderman, silver samurai,

he's got extraordinary reflexes.. I don't think a guy who deflects automatic bullet fire is going to have much of a problem responding to gamera...

wolverine reacted to her just fine.. so did maxam.. neither are registered as superhuman in speed.. gorgon is..

would her dagger be coming faster than a bullet?
he didn't get tricked into turning into stone wolverine just reacted on instint.. telepaths have a problem with wolverine when he stops thinking.. which he does against telepaths quite a bit...

he?

Originally posted by jinzin
not necassarily.. we say that the fighters fight to the best of their abilities...

we assume this to be true for cap: but we don't take away his shield...

Originally posted by jinzin
again.. the fact that she'd be throwing blind and the faact that he's got the speed reflexes and the tp to know what's coming kinda help the guy out don'tcha think?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
She has the speed to keep up with him, possibly even the speed advantage, so it would be much harder to follow her every move and respons, unlike for Wolverine and Elektra.

And with her speed and strength, a thrown dagger (and thrown by an expert) would have to be coming pretty DAMN fast.

My wife's kicking me off the computer, so we'll have to take this up tomorrow.

Well, it's about 1:20 here, so that sounds like a plan

Nite all. Good debate.

Originally posted by jinzin
see i don't see her as having any speed advantage here..

what has she done that makes her have such?

wolverine and elektra were barely able to react to the guy.. that makes him faster than taskmaster, faster than spiderman, silver samurai,

he's got extraordinary reflexes.. I don't think a guy who deflects automatic bullet fire is going to have much of a problem responding to gamera...

wolverine reacted to her just fine.. so did maxam.. neither are registered as superhuman in speed.. gorgon is..

would her dagger be coming faster than a bullet?
he didn't get tricked into turning into stone wolverine just reacted on instint.. telepaths have a problem with wolverine when he stops thinking.. which he does against telepaths quite a bit...

he?

Well, for example, she threw Ronan a LONG way's, and then covered the distance before he even raised his head, and, when he did, before he could react, she charged him and sent his body flying high.

Scan's of deflecting each bullet? I'd like to judge for myself

That was pre-upgrade 😉

With her strength? Who could say? Not to mention it would be better aimed (in a place harder to block, I assume)

Also, is his sword made of anything special? 'Cause if it isn't, I don't see why it would be able to stand up to a blow from Godslayer like that, if he tried to deflect it.

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I don't buy it. You have scans of someone saying this in application to the Gorgon scenerio?

Wolverine is a moron, he didn't even try to cut off gorgon's limbs or head. I don't think he went for the head at all.

Originally posted by darthgoober
In that case, Gorgon probably gets chopped into little bitty pieces.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Wolverine is a moron, he didn't even try to cut off gorgon's limbs or head. I don't think he went for the head at all.

Originally posted by capt it up
ya going to the heads real smart when it the hardest part of the body to hit and your fighting man who can move at the speed of thought or faster

Hardest part to hit? Not really no. Everytime Wolverine got a shot in Gorgon he could have hit his head instead. Of course it's not certain wether he would have hit him, but it's worth the shot. Especially when nothing else seemed to work. He didn't even try!

And where do they state that Gorgon's faster than a tought, 30 m/s?

Originally posted by jinzin

wolverine reacted to her just fine.. so did maxam.. neither are registered as superhuman in speed.. gorgon is..

I think that was before the upgrade. Maxam defintely was.

Originally posted by jinzin

would her dagger be coming faster than a bullet?

Probably.

Ok this is what I think. I have not seen the scans of the fight between Wolverine, Elektra and Gorgon. From what I have read Elektra was like a non factor and beaten very quickly, Wolverine then took him down himself.

So basically Gorgon can be beaten by Wolverine one on one.

Gamora has owned Ronan The Accuser and Terrax.

Wolverine has fought The Hulk but even then as far as I know he has never beaten The Hulk, apart from that how many other class 100ers has Wolverine beaten, as far as I know none.

Gamora has owned Ronan and Terrax.

Gamora beats Gorgon 8/10

Gamora

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok this is what I think. I have not seen the scans of the fight between Wolverine, Elektra and Gorgon. From what I have read Elektra was like a non factor and beaten very quickly, Wolverine then took him down himself.

So basically Gorgon can be beaten by Wolverine one on one.

Gamora has owned Ronan The Accuser and Terrax.

Wolverine has fought The Hulk but even then as far as I know he has never beaten The Hulk, apart from that how many other class 100ers has Wolverine beaten, as far as I know none.

Gamora has[B] owned Ronan and Terrax.

Gamora beats Gorgon 8/10 [/B]

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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
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Cheers. Further point to add.....Terrax and Ronan are more than class 100 they are cosmics., (well I think both Ronan and Terrax have class 100 strength). Abomination is a class 100 character but I would not consider him cosmic. (When i say cosmic I mean Herald level characters).

If Wolverine fought Terrax and Ronan he would die period. He doesnt just have to contend with strength but energy powers and reflexes that are probably greater than The Hulks.

Im even thinking of giving it 10/10 to Gamora considering Wolverine beat Gorgon, implying that Gorgon isnt as good as Wolverine.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Im even thinking of giving it 10/10 to Gamora considering Wolverine beat Gorgon, implying that Gorgon isnt as good as Wolverine.

Well, to be fair, Wolverine didn't demonstrate enough skill to put Gorgon down. Wolverine pulled the Medusa thing and reflected his stone-gaze back at him.

But, as we know, Wolverine and Gamora arn't exactly on the same skill level.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Well, to be fair, Wolverine didn't demonstrate enough skill to put Gorgon down.

Yeah but from what I understand from the fight, Wolverine and Gorgon were having a pretty mean scrap. Ok Gorgon seemed to have been doing better but Wolverine was putting up a fight. So gorgon seems to be a level better than Wolverine but not by a huge margin.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

Wolverine pulled the Medusa thing and reflected his stone-gaze back at him.

Well this is the thing.....if this guy is so smart why couldnt he have anticpated that? Wolverine aint dumb but hes no genuis either

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

But, as we know, Wolverine and Gamora arn't exactly on the same skill level.

You can say that again.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes, and at the best of her ability, she'd be going for the kill with her dagger.

Smurf covered this here...

sigh... okay... do we assume that sasquatch is just going to go all taneraq on people in fights on the boards?

do we assume that thor is going to go warrior madness?

no.. why? cause it's not their typical style...

...and?... he did a poor job, his entire argument relies on giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Originally posted by jinzin
sigh... okay... do we assume that sasquatch is just going to go all taneraq on people in fights on the boards?

do we assume that thor is going to go warrior madness?

no.. why? cause it's not their typical style...

...and?... he did a poor job, his entire argument relies on giving her the benefit of the doubt.

And I think he did a fine job of pointing out that with her skill, speed, and strength, the dagger would have a VERY good chance of hitting.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Well, for example, she threw Ronan a LONG way's, and then covered the distance before he even raised his head, and, when he did, before he could react, she charged him and sent his body flying high.

Scan's of deflecting each bullet? I'd like to judge for myself

That was pre-upgrade 😉

With her strength? Who could say? Not to mention it would be better aimed (in a place harder to block, I assume)

Also, is his sword made of anything special? 'Cause if it isn't, I don't see why it would be able to stand up to a blow from Godslayer like that, if he tried to deflect it.

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I don't buy it. You have scans of someone saying this in application to the Gorgon scenerio?

venom has thrown a van accross an island with one hand.. doesn't make him class 100...
and her covering the distance was by way of hopping.. spiderman's done as much the same..

k, see this is why i asked about her upgrades.. what feats does she have to support that she's far better off now?
spiderman was upgraded not once, not twice, but thrice, still doesn't mean he can take cap in a straight h2h... by his own admission...

that's why i'm not arguing for him to be able to deflect it, I'm simply arguing that he has the reflexive ability to see it and react to it accordingly.